The Demise of Evolution

[Subduction Zone]

The Tyre prophecy was fulfilled and stands to this day.

Nope, you at best do not understand the prophecy. Nebuchadnezzar failed at.his attempt. The Bible even admits it. The prophecy was about the King of Tyre and Nebuchadnezzar.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Nope, you at best do not understand the prophecy. Nebuchadnezzar failed at.his attempt. The Bible even admits it. The prophecy was about the King of Tyre and Nebuchadnezzar.

The prophecy declared that "many nations will come up against thee, like the waves of the sea" ; one after another, until Tyre was destroyed. There were six major sieges of Tyre, ending in it's destruction by Alexander in 332 B.C.

 

[loveofourlord]

The Tyre prophecy was fulfilled and stands to this day.

Thats why it failed, it still stood, the bible even acknowledged it didn't fall.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Thats why it failed, it still stood, the bible even acknowledged it didn't fall.

The bible doesn't record the fulfillment of all prophecy contained within it (see Genesis 49). Fortunately for my argument secular history records the destruction of Tyre by Alexander the Great in 332 B.C.

Tyre in Prophecy

 

[Subduction Zone]

The bible doesn't record the fulfillment of all prophecy contained within it (see Genesis 49). Fortunately for my argument secular history records the destruction of Tyre by Alexander the Great in 332 B.C.

The Tyre prophecy was not about Alexander the Great. You should look up the history of Tyre. It was regularly attacked both before and after Nebuchadnezzar. Sometimes it won, sometimes it lost. The prophecy was about Nebby, not Alex. Nebby was a "king of kings" in the Old Testament He was the "many kings" that was to attack Tyre. He failed.

The problem with extending a prophecy to far is that one degrades all prophecy. Sooner or later Tyre was sure to fall. It had quite a period without falling and that did end with Alex, but he was outside the original prophecy. You are in effect calling me a biblical prophet when I predict that "You will see a red car" the next time that you go out.

I have seen Christians rightfully deny the failed prophecies of other religions when they do not meet their clear goal. Yet many of those cannot do the same when the Bible is involved.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The Tyre prophecy was not about Alexander the Great. You should look up the history of Tyre. It was regularly attacked both before and after Nebuchadnezzar. Sometimes it won, sometimes it lost. The prophecy was about Nebby, not Alex. Nebby was a "king of kings" in the Old Testament He was the "many kings" that was to attack Tyre. He failed.

The problem with extending a prophecy to far is that one degrades all prophecy. Sooner or later Tyre was sure to fall. It had quite a period without falling and that did end with Alex, but he was outside the original prophecy. You are in effect calling me a biblical prophet when I predict that "You will see a red car" the next time that you go out.

I have seen Christians rightfully deny the failed prophecies of other religions when they do not meet their clear goal. Yet many of those cannot do the same when the Bible is involved.

Lots of clarification if you look for it. Check out he and they in this link regarding Nebuchadnezzar.

Tyre in Prophecy

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lots of clarification if you look for it. Check out he and they in this link regarding Nebuchadnezzar.

Tyre in Prophecy

Sorry, I don't read sources that are essentially "liars for Jesus". Make your own claims if you wish to. At least you might have the excuse of no knowing better.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sorry, I don't read sources that are essentially "liars for Jesus". Make your own claims if you wish to. At least you might have the excuse of no knowing better.

Your argument doesn't have the biblical support that you claim.

Why do you even read the bible?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your argument doesn't have the biblical support that you claim.

Why do you even read the bible?

Actually they do. Do you want to go over them in more depth? The Tyre prophecy was about Nebby. If you want to extend it beyond that the burden of proof is upon you. The context is clear if you read the story.

EDIT: This article goes through how it failed quite thoroughly:

Biblical Errancy: Ezekiel's Prophecy of Tyre: a failed prophecy

 

[roman2819]

I can say very similar things about Star Trek.

Star Trek confirms the historical background (it references many real world places and people), it has information about science, it has correctly predicted many things (including correctly predicting that Apollo 11 would be launched on a Wednesday!). It even references itself, since the Enterprise in Star Trek's "history" was named after the space shuttle, which was named after the spaceship in Star Trek!

And yet we don't consider that Star Trek is divinely inspired.

Spock would say that your Star Trek analogy is illogical.

 

[summerville]

As long as satan is free, evolution will be believed along with other scientific lies.

What on earth has satan to do with science?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Spock would say that your Star Trek analogy is illogical.

Seriously, he would not have. It appears that you did not understand the analogy. What part confused you?

 

[summerville]

Not sue how favorably God looks upon modern medicine, many of the medicine methods cause more problems than they heal. I guess the major contribution modern medicine has been, is the diagnostic ability.

I know this it will not be modern medicine that is used by people on the new earth. To me that modern medicine goes with this fallen state of the earth now, it has its bad and also good points. Kinda matches the fallen state of man some truth mixed in with untruth.

Really in many cases modern medicine extends the life, so a person can suffer just a little longer.

Do you then believe Noah was scientist he built a boat.

So to you agriculture, warfare, boat building, medicine are the same as a person saying 50 million years ago this and this did this, that brought about this, which in turn brought about this. And we know this because a scientist says so because he looked at a fossil or a rock and the fossil/rock told him so.

The people of Sumer and Babylon were building sailboats long before Noah's flood.

 

[d taylor]

What on earth has satan to do with science?

The science that glorifies man through lies, example man on the moon this lie glorifies man and basically, except for a few, the whole world was taken in by this lie.

 

[Ophiolite]

The science that glorifies man through lies, example man on the moon this lie glorifies man and basically, except for a few, the whole world was taken in by this lie.

That would be offensive if it wasn't so amusing. I think I'll trawl through some of your other posts on the forum, looking for similar gems. Thanks for the smile.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What on earth has satan to do with science?

Satan taught Eve the scientific method in the garden, i.e. diligently observe, learn by experience (rather than by revelation).

 

[summerville]

Satan created science in the garden.

Hahahaha.. Thousands of years ago snake cults proliferated in Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Levant, Arabia and the Indus Valley. The snake was a symbol of wisdom, fertility, and rebirth.

I think you have a case of dueling religions casting the snake as Satan.. I don't think Jews do that.. and Genesis was their scripture.

In Numbers 21:4-9, Moses makes a bronze serpent on a stick to heal the Hebrews' snake bites, as per God's instructions. They don't worship it, but they are to look at it in order to live.

Curious bit of a story.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Hahahaha.. Thousands of years ago snake cults proliferated in Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Levant, Arabia and the Indus Valley. The snake was a symbol of wisdom, fertility, and rebirth.

I think you have a case of dueling religions casting the snake as Satan.. I don't think Jews do that.. and Genesis was their scripture.

In Numbers 21:4-9, Moses makes a bronze serpent on a stick to heal the Hebrews' snake bites, as per God's instructions. They don't worship it, but they are to look at it in order to live.

Curious bit of a story.

I edited that post a bit to reflect one of the Hebrew meanings of serpent.

 

[Kylie]

Spock would say that your Star Trek analogy is illogical.

On what grounds? I used the same reasoning that you did in post 806. If my argument is illogical, then so is yours.

 

[roman2819]

On what grounds? I used the same reasoning that you did in post 806. If my argument is illogical, then so is yours.

Star Trek refers to events that have happened or to places that already exist. By contrast, the bible refers to things ahead of its time, before they happened. The approach is poles apart., the different is huge, beyond comparison.

For example: Paris has been here for centuries. In "future," ST “made” its headquarters in San Francisco, which is already here. In 1976, NASA honors ST by naming the spacecraft “Enterprise” – I remember reading about this in mid 90s when TNG was popular in North America , when I was in Canada. However, ST did not predict Enterprise, so why do you even mentioned that ST even reference itself.

The Bible refers to things ahead of its time, way way before they happened, hundreds and thousands of years ahead. It says the earth is round and suspends upon nothing way before science did. I hear critics who say that say the Bible is being figurative. However, figurative or literal, it has made many correct predictions – and this frequency of correctness does matter. And besides prophecies, there are also more historical and archaeological evidences that support the bible.