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The Demise of Evolution

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OldWiseGuy

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So you mean that, in reality, you made unwarranted extrapolations to make facts fit into your Bronze Age tales.


So it is tall tale on top of tall tale with you.

Troll it is.

From studying scientific descriptions it appears to me that everything was specially designed and created. You may own your conclusions but you don't own the evidence.
 
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Cite these studies or shut up.

I meant that the studies reveal to me, special creation. They may reveal something different to you.
 
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How do you suggest science does that?

Possibly a cost/benefit study. The bible says that it's "better" to do certain things a certain way. That shouldn't be too hard prove or disprove.
 
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It certainly help to read about the gist of evolution, with examples, and without jargons.

I have always believe that living things can change over time within certain limits -- so that some horses run faster than others, and some giant fossils of insects and mammals had been found which prove that certain changes did happen -- as life adapts to weather, terrain and different conditions. God's creation is dynamic and to Him, life on earth is a stage, a field where living things have a life of their own as they breathe, live and interact (this is something that SLP or @SLP don't understand, he alleged that extinction of some species means God's creation is flawed).

Although evolution did not claim there is no God, however, do some of their beliefs imply no God? The biggest example is the monkey evolved to human, of course.. They may say they haven't prove it, so they are not confirming it. And I wonder if they have made other controversial claims about how some living things evolve.

Another observation is the way evolutionists claim that a fossil is 50 million or even 150 million years old. I do not believe that scientists or geologists today have any methods to backdate anything that far back. Carbon dating or other methods are not that powerful or accurate.. I read about an ex-evolutionist, who left the organization, he said numbers like 10 million years are not reliable at all because...

.... Well, Evolutionists believe that changes in living things had to happen slowly, so they have to claim that the earth geography is very old as well. The earth mass and rocks could have been there, formless and void (Genesis), lifeless for millions of years, before God construction began, maybe 10,000-100000 years ago. But i dont think any methods today can date life or geography accurately beyond 100,000 yrs -- or even half of that. What I mean is evolutionists' beliefs become questionable when they claim that certain fossils are 5 or 100 million years old.
 
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I have always believe that God created living things that can adapt and change within certain range and limits in order to adapt to their environment -- which demonstrate the depth and intricacies of his power to create.

Although evolution may be silent about origins of creation or God, however, some of their beliefs may contradict the Bible. And also the numbers of millenums they dated certain fossils, to be 50 or 150 milliom years is not substantive by credible evidence -- which i said in post #404
 
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.... Well, Evolutionists believe that changes in living things had to happen slowly, so they have to claim that the earth geography is very old as well.
You really should spend some time studying the relevant history of the subjects. That way you wouldn't make ill informed errors. The evidence for the age of the Earth and the evidence for evolution emerged independently and in parallel. It didn't take long, however, before it was clear that the independent lines of evidence supported each other. I could direct you to popular books on the subject if you wish.
 
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From studying scientific descriptions it appears to me that everything was specially designed and created. You may own your conclusions but you don't own the evidence.
What is the hallmark of design?
 
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From studying scientific descriptions
Report to us how you "studied" these descriptions such that you concluded 'made by God.'
it appears to me that everything was specially designed and created.
When all one has is a hammer...
You may own your conclusions but you don't own the evidence.
No, but I also don't spin and distort and extrapolate the evidence for the sole purpose of making it look like some ancient stories are true.

Troll.
 
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It certainly help to read about the gist of evolution, with examples, and without jargons.
Right... no scientific jargon in my science, please!
Actually, that is not what I alleged. I simply replied to you assertion that "millions of lifeforms have turned out so well is proof of design by Creator."
with:

"What makes you think that they turned out 'so well'? What about the MILLIONS of those that went extinct?"

Can you not see the contradiction - if they 'turned out pretty well', does that mean that God's unsubstantiated creative acts were not that great?
 
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Possibly a cost/benefit study. The bible says that it's "better" to do certain things a certain way. That shouldn't be too hard prove or disprove.

Yes - in one part, it says it is better to slaughter fetuses when they are in the uterus of a woman that does not worship God than to, maybe, forgive them? Will them to get in line?

I think it is objectively true that slaughtering fetuses and children because their parents do not worship Jehovah is a really sickening, pathetic way of doing something.

Not you, though.

Never the less, how about providing 5 examples of the bible saying that it's "better" to do certain things a certain way.
 
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They are true, to the best of my understanding
 
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This doesn't address my point.

In examining living organisms in nature, life on Earth shows patterns that conform to evolution and shared common ancestry.

A designer could create life forms in blatant violation of these patterns, yet we don't observe those things in nature. Why is that?

Likewise, if you want to claim that life can adapt or change within limits you need to demonstrate what those limits are. Because in examining life forms in nature, those limits don't appear to exist nor anything else that suggests independent creation. Rather, all life bears the hallmarks of shared common ancestry.

So either all life on Earth was created to have the appearance of common ancestry via evolution. Or life forms have the appearance of common ancestry because they really do share that common ancestry via evolution.
 
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They are true, to the best of my understanding
I am confident that is correct. That, however, is a reflection on your understanding not on the truth. By your own repeated admission your studies of the matter have been cursory, minimal, lightweight and guided by predetermined beliefs.

Tell me, have you any interest in buying an iconic bridge?
 
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