The Created Temple of God, Which is in the Created Heavens

[yeshuasavedme]

Psa 11:4 The LORD [is] in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne [is] in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.


ATTENTION BIBLE2: the third heaven is Paradise, as Paul so states in 2 Corinthians. Paradise is not the created Temple which is set in the created sun and in which there are "no delights/pleasures of life therein", as Enoch so states in Enoch 14, when He was taken to that temple before that throne in heaven. Enoch later saw the City of God in heaven, which is the Paradise Paul was taken up to.
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Guess I have to pop in once in awhile to show Bible2's posts are made without understanding of the matter as God has stated it in His word, for nothing in all Bible2's posts on the subject leads one to believe he has any understanding of the literal words God uses when He speaks of His own created temple set in the created sun, which God calls His own "dwelling place", as my previous posts do state.
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What does this have to do with Eschatology, though? Nothing but that in the last days all those signs in the sun seen below will be in part those things John saw in Revelation concerning the sun.
It was just a fun discovery of mine that I wanted to share with those who would be interested in doing their own studies to see if these things be so. Bible2 has no interest in seeing if these things be so, as he uses his own reasonings to deny the possibility of God stating what He means and meaning what He says, on the subject.

But-
God heeded Joshua, and the sun and moon stood still, in heaven. Bible2 cannot explain that without denying the thruth of the Word of God.
The stars in their courses fought against Sisera, but Bible2, according to his above beliefs, could never believe that fact about the stars in their courses fighting against Sisera.

Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. [Is] not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Jos 10:14And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.

Hab 3:11 The sun [and] moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, [and] at the shining of thy glittering spear.

Jdg 5:19The kings came [and] fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money.
Jdg 5:20They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.
From God's created temple set in the created sun, His created angels who stand before the created throne come out, at the time of the bowl and trumpet judgments, during the tribulation:


Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great.



Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

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Since there are angels who can appear as pillars of fire, are those "angels of Light", then? and are those the angels standing before the LORD in His temple set in the sun, then?

Have fun.

 

[Bible2]

Psalms 11:4 is referring to the Lord on his throne in
his holy temple in the third heaven, the spiritual
realm (Revelation 4:2, 7:15, 16:17).

The third heaven isn't paradise. Paul doesn't state
that in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4. What that passage means
is that paradise is also located within the third
heaven. We find this confirmed elsewhere, for paradise
is the location of the tree of life (Revelation 2:7),
and the tree of life is located within the city of New
Jerusalem (Revelation 22:2,14), so that paradise is
located within New Jerusalem; and New Jerusalem is
located in the third heaven (Hebrews 12:22).

But New Jerusalem isn't the only thing located in the
third heaven, for the heavenly temple is also located
there (Revelation 4:2, 7:15), just as in the first
century both the earthly Jerusalem and an earthly
temple were located on the earth.

No one has claimed that paradise is the heavenly
temple, for paradise is located within New Jerusalem,
and there is no temple in New Jerusalem (Revelation
21:22). The heavenly temple is located outside of
New Jerusalem, yet still within the third heaven, the
spiritual realm (Revelation 4:2, 7:15).

Nothing in the original Hebrew of any old testament
scripture requires that the heavenly temple is located
in the sun, just as nothing in the original Greek of
any new testament scripture requires that the heavenly
temple is located in the sun.

Regarding God's dwelling place, that is in New
Jerusalem, for New Jerusalem is the Father's house,
his tabernacle (Revelation 21:2-4, John 14:2).

Nothing about God heeding Joshua, and the sun and moon
standing still in heaven (Joshua 10:13-14), requires
that the heavenly temple is located in the sun, or the
moon. God heeded Joshua from the third heaven, high
above all the innumerable suns and moons in the
universe, and then made our one little sun and moon to
stand still.

The stars which in their courses fought against Sisera
(Judges 5:20) were not literal stars, which could not
have come within a billion miles of Sisera without
burning him and the entire planet earth to a cinder.
The stars which fought against Sisera were angels, for
stars can represent angels (Revelation 1:20). The
Hebrew word in Judges 5:20 translated as the "courses"
of the angels can mean the "staircases" of the angels,
that is, how they come and go between heaven and earth.
Compare the "ladder" which Jacob saw the angels
ascending and descending on in Genesis 28:12; there
the Hebrew word translated as "ladder", although
different than the Hebrew word translated as "courses"
in Judges 5:20, can also mean "staircase".

Of course, nothing about the angels on their staircases
fighting against Sisera requires that the heavenly
temple is in the sun, for the staircases must go all
the way into the third heaven, for the angels enter
into New Jerusalem in the third heaven (Hebrews 12:22).

Nothing in Habakkuk 3:11 says or requires that the
heavenly temple is in the sun.

Similarly, nothing in Revelation 16:17-18 or Revelation
11:19 or Revelation 14:17 or Revelation 15:5 says or
requires that the heavenly temple is in the sun. All of
those verses work just fine with the heavenly temple in
the third heaven.

Revelation 19:17 makes no reference to the heavenly
temple being in the sun, but simply makes reference to
a single angel standing in the sun at a single point
of time in the future.

Nothing about there being "pillars of fire" in the
heavenly temple would require that the heavenly temple
be in the sun, for pillars of fire exist outside of
the sun. If they can exist on the earth (Exodus 13:21),
they can likewise exist in the third heaven. And indeed
we find angelic fires (Hebrews 1:7) shining before the
throne of God in the temple in the third heaven, the
spiritual realm (Revelation 4:2,5, 8:2).

No scripture teaches that the heavenly temple is in
the sun, instead of in the third heaven, high above
every last one of the 100 billion times 100 billion
different little suns in the universe.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Have fun.

We always have fun here

Matthew 5:18 "For amen I am saying to ye, till ever may-be-passing-away the Heaven and the Land, iota one or one horn not no may-be-passing-away from the Law, until ever ALL shall-be-becoming/genhtai <1096> (5638)" [Revelation 16/17/21:1,6]

Reve 16:17 and the seventh [*messenger] pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out a Voice, great, from the Sanctuary of-the heaven from the throne saying "it has become"/gegonen <1096> (5754).

 

[yeshuasavedme]

We always have fun here

Matthew 5:18 "For amen I am saying to ye, till ever may-be-passing-away the Heaven and the Land, iota one or one horn not no may-be-passing-away from the Law, until ever ALL shall-be-becoming/genhtai <1096> (5638)" [Revelation 16/17/21:1,6]

Reve 16:17 and the seventh [*messenger] pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out a Voice, great, from the Sanctuary of-the heaven from the throne saying "it has become"/gegonen <1096> (5754).

He "looks down" from that sanctuary in the heavens which He "pitched", and sometimes "comes down" from it, pre-incarnation, and has "come down" from there, in the incarnation, when He was *"stripped bare naked" of His glory which He had with the Father before the world was". He is now glorified with that Glory in the body of Second Man flesh, seated in the heavens; which seat Adam could not ascend to, as "Adam, son of God", after the fall There was a a throne of glory there reserved for Adam, human son of God, which throne Adam never ascended to and which the New Man has.
* Isa 52:10 The LORD hath "stripped bare naked" his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God. Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. -In 1 Enoch, He is seen as "LORD of GLORY.

Psa 102:19 For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth;
Hbr 8:1¶Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Hbr 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

The earthly tabernacle was a pattern of the true heavenly one;
Hbr 8:5
Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Gen 11:5
And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

The Book of Jasher tells us that the ones who were called to "go down" with the LORD were seventy angels who stood before Him, BTW.

Gen 11:7
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Psa 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, [and] seek God.

Isa 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth [in the] circle/disc [sun] [of the] earth, [and the] inhabitants thereof [are as] grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

 

[Bible2]

Matthew 5:17-18 means that Jesus came to fulfill all
of the prophecies regarding himself (Luke 24:44) in
the old covenant law (e.g. Deuteronomy 18:15) and
the rest of the old testament (e.g. Isaiah 53, Psalms
16:10). Jesus didn't come to fulfill all of the
commandments in the law, for he couldn't possibly
have done that, for many of the commandments didn't
apply to him, such as the commandment regarding a
jealous husband (Numbers 5:14-31) or the commandment
regarding a woman who has just given birth (Leviticus
12:2-8). Instead, Jesus completely abolished the
commandments in the old covenant law, on the cross
(Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19),
and replaced them with his new covenant commandments,
which far exceed the old in righteousness (Matthew
5:19-7:29, John 14:21-24, 1 Thessalonians 4:2).

So Revelation 16:17, like Matthew 5:17-18, isn't
referring to the fulfillment of the commandments of
the old covenant law. Revelation 16:17 is simply
referring to the fulfillment of the seven plagues
and vials of wrath of Revelation chapters 15-16,
which won't begin to happen until the final stage of
the coming tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18.

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Psalms 102:19 and Hebrews 8:1-2, like Revelation 11:19
and Revelation 15:5, don't say that God's sanctuary/
temple/tabernacle which he has pitched in heaven is in
the sun, instead of in the third heaven, the spiritual
realm (Revelation 4:2).

Genesis 11:5,7 and the book of Jasher don't say that
God came down from the sun, just as Psalms 14:2
doesn't say that God looked down from the sun. And
Isaiah 40:22 makes no reference to the sun, but only
to "the circle of the earth", meaning the circle of
the horizon.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The Psalmist, David, states that "He has set His tabernacle in the sun", as I have posted; but also ---

Psa 19:1 PSALM 19
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.
THE heavens declare the glory of God;

And the firmament makes known the work of His hands.
Psa 19:2 Day unto day utters speech,
And night unto night reveals knowledge.
Psa 19:3 There is no speech nor language
Where their voice is not heard.
Psa 19:4 Their linehas gone out through all the earth,
And their words to the end of the world.

He set His tabernacle in the sun,
Psa 19:5 Which is like a bridegroom going forth from his chamber,
And rejoices like a strong man to run its race.
Psa 19:6 Its rising is from one end of heaven,
And its circuit to the other end;
And there is nothing hidden from its heat.

Besides standing still, at Joshua's command, the sun also "returned" -backwards- ten degrees, at another time.
Isa 38:8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=38&v=8&t=KJV#conc/8
In the Word, the sun is always moving, from Genesis to Revelation, but the earth is not.
In Judges and in Psalm 19:5, the sun goes out/forth, and in Judges "in his strength".
Jdg 5:31 So let all thine enemies perish, O LORD: but [let] them that love him [be] as the sun when he goeth forth/yatsa in his might/gebuwrah.
yatsa' 1) to go out, come out, exit, go forth
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H3318&t=KJV
gebuwrah
1) strength, might
AV — might 27, strength 17, power 9, mighty acts 4, mighty 2, force 1, mastery 1
.
The sun, it seems, is never still, and it's circuit is from one end of heaven to the other, in one day.
-And in it is the Tabernacle set, where the Glory resides.

Now, that firmament that makes known the work of His hands is the same firmament which was made when YHWH Elohym separated the waters from the waters, with the half of the waters moved above the firmament, in which firmament He set the sun, moon, and stars.

Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open[/face of the] firmament of heaven.

This creation is special, and from His tabernacle set in the sun, YHWH beholds the inhabitants of the earth "as grasshoppers"

 

[Bible2]

The Psalmist David doesn't state that God "has set
his tabernacle in the sun", as has been posted.
Instead, in Psalms 19:1-4 David states figuratively
that God has set a tabernacle for the sun in the
heavens, the sky.

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Nothing in Psalms 19:1-6, Joshua 10:13, or Isaiah 38:8
says or requires that God's heavenly throne is in the
sun, instead of in the third heaven (2 Corinthians
12:2), the spiritual realm (Revelation 4:2), high
above the entire universe (Ephesians 4:10), with all
of its innumerable suns.

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In the Bible, the sun is presented as almost always
moving because that's how it appears to people on the
earth. We still speak of "sunrise" and "sunset", and
the sun "crossing the sky", because that's what the
sun appears to do, not because we think that the sun
orbits the earth.

Judges 5:31 and Psalms 19:5-6 are simply poetic
expressions of what the sun appears to do at sunrise,
and as it crosses the sky. They have nothing at all
to do with any false ideas of geocentricity or of
where God sits on his heavenly throne.

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The firmament that makes known the work of God's
hands to people on the earth (Psalms 19:1-4) is the
sky or atmosphere of the earth, which is the same
firmament which was made when YHWH Elohiym separated
the waters from the waters (Genesis 1:7), with some
of the waters collecting above the firmament, that
is, in the rainclouds that float above the firmament,
in which the birds fly (Genesis 1:20).

The firmament, sky, or atmosphere in which the birds
fly is the first heaven (Genesis 1:8,20, 7:23).

Outer space, in which the sun, moon, and stars
actually reside, is the second heaven (Genesis 22:17,
2 Kings 23:5b), even though we still refer to them
as being "in the sky" (cf. Genesis 1:14) since that
is where they're seen by people on the earth.

The third heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2) is the spiritual
realm, where God's throne is (Revelation 4:2) in his
heavenly temple (Revelation 7:15).

The third heaven is also where paradise is
(2 Corinthians 12:2,4). Paradise is the heavenly city
of new Jerusalem, for the tree of life is located in
the midst of paradise (Revelation 2:7), and the tree
of life is located in the midst of new Jerusalem
(Revelation 22:2,14). New Jerusalem is God's heavenly
city (Revelation 21:2-3), in which there is no temple
(Revelation 21:22).

We should not be surprised that both God's heavenly
temple and his separate, heavenly city-paradise are
located in the third heaven, for have not both God's
earthly temple and his earthly city of Jerusalem been
located on the earth?

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Isaiah 40:22 in no way says that God's heavenly
throne is in the sun, instead of in the third heaven.
"The circle of the earth" is simply a poetic reference
to how the surface of the earth appears to someone
sitting upon it with its circular horizon. Isaiah 40:22
is simply trying to convey by some common imagery the
idea of a big God, to whom, if he sat on the earth, men
would appear as mere grasshoppers, and the atmosphere
would be a mere curtain, a little tent, above his head.

Of course, God is infinitely larger than this, for
compared with him all men together are less than
nothing (Isaiah 40:17,15). He fills the entire
universe (Jeremiah 23:24), and calls each one of its
100 billion times 100 billion different little suns
by their own names (Psalms 147:4). He doesn't live in
just one little pinprick sun, as if he were merely
some pagan Helios or Apollos. Nor is his heavenly
throne in the sun, but in the third heaven, the
spiritual realm (Revelation 4:2), high above the
entire universe (Ephesians 4:10).

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Num 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up in front of/ before the presense of YHWH [in the] sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

Isa 18:4 [the Hebrew is translated correctly thus:] So YHWH said I will take my rest, and I will look down upon/scan intently/consider, from My dwelling place, the dazzling hot sun...
Psalm 18:6 Douay Rheims: 6 He hath set his tabernacle in the sun:

And that is where His Holy of Holies is, set in the sun, and that is where He will hide the Saints, at the time of the rapture/laqach, before the great dissolving of the earth and its inhabitants which comes upon the world and all its inhabitants after the congregation of YHWH is raptured/laqach.

Psa 27:4 One [thing] have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to enquire in his temple/sanctuary.

Isaiah 27 is interesting in the Hebrew: 27:5; in the day of evil He shall conceal/hide me in His "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]", the secret, in His tabernacle/pavillion He shall conceal me raised up to the rock.

The lament:
Isa 26:17 As a woman with child Is in pain and cries out in her pangs, [When] she draws near the time of her delivery, So have we been in Your sight, O LORD.
We have been with child, we have been in pain; We have, as it were, brought forth wind; We have not accomplished any deliverance in the earth, Nor have the inhabitants of the world fallen.
The answer:
Isa 26:19 Your dead shall live; [Together with] my dead body they shall arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust; For your dew [is like] the dew of herbs, And the earth shall cast out the dead.
Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, Until the indignation is past.
Isa 26:21 For behold, the LORD comes out of His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; The earth will also disclose her blood, And will no more cover her slain.

The star sign:
Rev 12:1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Rev 12:2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. Rev 12:5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

Psalm 75:2: laqach mow`ed shaphat meyshar -When I remove from the midst of the world, the Congregation, then I shall punish [the inhabitants of the earth, to vindicate My own] righteously.
75:3: 'erets yashab muwg takan `ammuwd celah -the earth and all its inhabitants will melt/ faint/ dissolve I will examine/try/weigh the pillars of it; pause and think about it.

So He gives the call to "Come My People" at that time the trumpets of gathering are sounded twice together [Numbers 10:1-7], and we are gathered to Him, enter into His secret, in His tabernacle, shut the doors, hide, and celebrate [Leviticus 8], while back on earth, the great tribulation commences.

Luk 21:36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.". -as cleansed, adopted priests, in the name of the Firstborn Son, celebratiung our consecration of priesthood in His name, dressed in our beautifyl garments of Salvation/Yeshua [typed in the levitical priesthood, garments made for beauty and for glory]

Exd 28:2 And you shall make holy garments for Aaron your brother, for glory and for beauty.
Exd 28:40 "For Aaron's sons you shall make tunics, and you shall make sashes for them. And you shall make hats for them, for glory and beauty.
Isa 28:5 In that day the LORD of hosts will be For a crown of glory and a diadem of beauty To the remnant of His people,

Isa 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, My soul shall be joyful in my God; For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness, As a bridegroom decks [himself] with ornaments, And as a bride adorns [herself] with her jewels.

1Cr 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
1Cr 15:54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."*

The Gathering:

Psa 50:3-6 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silent;
A fire shall devour before Him,
And it shall be very tempestuous all around Him.


He shall call to the heavens from above,
And to the earth, that He may requite His people:

"Gather My saints together to Me,
Those who have made a covenant with Me by sacrifice."

Let the heavens declare His righteousness,
For God Himself is Judge.
Selah

 

[Bible2]

Nothing in the original Hebrew of Numbers 25:4 says or requires that God
lives in the sun. Instead, Numbers 25:4 could simply mean that they were to
be hanged in the daylight and taken down at sunset (cf. Deuteronomy 21:23,
Joshua 8:29, 10:26-27).

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Nothing in the original Hebrew of Isaiah 18:4 says or requires that God's
dwelling place is in the sun, just as nothing in the original Hebrew of Isaiah
18:4 says or requires that God's dwelling place is in a cloud of dew.
Instead, Isaiah 18:4 could simply employ two similes to express the
closeness of God's inspection of the harvest before its destruction (Isaiah
18:5-6).

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Nothing in the original Hebrew of Psalms 19:4 says or requires that God's
tabernacle is in the sun. Instead, Psalms 19:4 could simply mean that God
has set a tabernacle for the sun in the heavens (Psalms 19:1-4).

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Nothing in the original Hebrew of Psalms 75:2 says or requires that Jesus'
receiving of the church unto himself at his second coming (John 14:3b) will
rapture the church any higher than the clouds (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

Psalms 75:2 refers to Jesus' receiving of the church unto himself at his
second coming in order to judge the church (Psalms 50:4-5, cf. Mark
13:27), which he could do in the clouds after the tribulation (Matthew
24:29-31) before he marries the church (Revelation 19:7), and the church
mounts white horses and descends back down from the sky (the first
heaven) with him (Revelation 19:14) to reign on the earth with him for
1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29).

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Psalms 75:3 won't happen until the great white throne judgment (Revelation
20:11-15), which won't happen until after the millennium and the battle of
Gog and Magog (Revelation 20:7-10).

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Psalms 27:4 won't happen for David (Psalm 27 title) or the rest of the dead
in the church until they're resurrected back to life (Daniel 12:2) after the
tribulation (Daniel 12:1, Revelation 20:4-6), at the second coming
(1 Corinthians 15:22-23, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16), and go into the
millennial temple on the earth (Zechariah 14:20-21).

And then, after the millennium, the battle of Gog and Magog, and the great
white throne judgment (Revelation 20:7-15), the heavenly house of God and
God himself will come down out of heaven to a new earth, and all those in
the church will dwell in God's house with God forever on the new earth
(Revelation 21:1-4).

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Psalms 27:5 will happen during the tribulation for those in the church who
will flee into protected places in the wilderness (Revelation 12:6), the
mountains (Matthew 24:16). Compare Psalms 91, Ephesians 6:13.

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Isaiah 26:20 will happen before Isaiah 26:19, just as, for example, Matthew
14:3 happened before Matthew 14:2. For Isaiah 26:20 refers to those in the
church who will still be alive on the earth during the vials of God's wrath
(Revelation 16), still waiting for Jesus' coming as a thief (Revelation 16:15).
They'll go into protective chambers which they'll have built for themselves on
the earth (Isaiah 26:20). They would have no reason whatsoever to hide
from anything going on down on the earth if they were up in heaven, not to
mention in immortal bodies.

Isaiah 26:21 refers to the resurrection of the church at the second coming
(1 Corinthians 15:22-23,52-53, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16, Revelation
20:4-6), which won't happen until after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31,
Revelation 19:7-21).

---

Revelation 12:1 is a symbol of the church, seen clothed with the sun of
righteousness (Malachi 4:2), just as later she's seen clothed with
righteousness (Revelation 19:8). The moon under her feet could represent
Satan under her feet (Romans 16:20, Revelation 12:11). The twelve stars
set over her could represent the twelve apostles set over the church
(1 Corinthians 12:28).

---

The "man child" caught up to the throne of God mid-tribulation (Revelation
12:5-6) represents the 144,000 male-virgins part of the church subsequently
seen before the throne of God (Revelation 14:4-5). They could be caught up
in their mortal bodies like Enoch and Elijah were (Hebrews 11:5, 2 Kings
2:11)

---

The church as a whole will never be removed from the earth (Proverbs
10:30, John 17:15,20).

---

The trumpet of the gathering together of the entire church (Matthew 24:31,
Mark 13:27) into the clouds (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) will occur after the
tribulation, at the second coming (Matthew 24:29-31, 2 Thessalonians 2:1,
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17).

---

In Leviticus 8, the "door", the high priest, and the bullock for the sin offering
were all types for Jesus (John 10:9, Hebrews 4:14, Matthew 26:28), and
the tabernacle of the congregation, the congregation, and the sons of the
high priest were all types for the church (Ephesians 2:20-22, Revelation
21:7, 1:6, 5:10, 20:6).

---

Part of the church will live to go through the tribulation (Matthew 24:9-13,
Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).

---

The only ways anyone in the church will escape the entire tribulation (Luke
21:36) will be by either dying before it starts (Isaiah 57:1) or by being
miraculously protected on the earth during the tribulation (Revelation 12:6,
Psalms 91, Ephesians 6:13a), after which they will stand before the Son
of man (Ephesians 6:13b, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10).

---

In Exodus 28:2,40, Aaron was a type for Jesus (Hebrews 3:1), and Aaron's
sons were a type for the church (Revelation 21:7, 1:6, 5:10, 20:6).

---

Isaiah 28:5 could refer to Jesus during his millennial reign on the earth.
(Zechariah 14:9).

---

Isaiah 61:10 refers to the same symbolic clothing as Revelation 19:8, which
represents the righteousness of the saints (Revelation 19:8b) which they
have now through faith in Jesus (Romans 3:22), just as they have salvation
now through faith in him (2 Timothy 3:15).

---

In 1 Corinthians 15:52, the last trump is the trumpet which will sound after
the tribulation (Matthew 24:31), at the second coming (Matthew 24:30),
when Jesus will resurrect and change the whole church into immortality
(1 Corinthians 15:22-23,51-53, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-16, Revelation
20:4-6).

---

In Psalms 50:4-5, the gathering together of the saints is the gathering
together of Mark 13:27, which will occur after the tribulation (Mark
13:24-27), at the second coming (Psalms 50:3-5, 2 Thessalonians 2:1,
Matthew 24:30-31).

---

In Psalms 50:4, the judging of his people is Jesus' judgment of the church
(2 Corinthians 5:10) at his second coming (Luke 12:45-49, Psalms 50:3-4),
which won't happen until after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31,
Revelation 19:7-21).

 

[SummaScriptura]

Back for just a moment here, folks. I'm having a lot of fun while my internet is disconnected (I'm at the library to post today, and I only have a few minutes), and want to share a tidbit for those of you who are interested in these things. This may need to go in a different forum.....

In 1 Enoch 14, when Enoch has the vision of entering into the temple of God in heaven, He goes in to a most fantastic place (can't quote it at the moment, no time), in which there were no delights of life, but which was surrounded by tongues of fire, and built of Crystal, with the path of the stars above. Please read the passage to see what Enoch said. Also, in another part of Enoch He speaks of that crystal house of God (which has an inner house where the created throne in the created temple in the created heaven sits). Then, after reading that passage, check out the RC version of the OT, Psalm 18:5 (which is Psalm 19, 4, in the KJV).

It says; "He set His tabernacle (temple) in the sun".
That place Enoch went into had no delights of life, and it is not the place where the City of God is, where angels eat Manna and the ancients pray for the sons of men in intercession, and where Enoch longed to go and where He was translated to the garment of Glory and allowed to go.

Now, where is that city of God?????

The Douay-Rheims is frought with problems. To begin with, it is a translation of the Vulgate which is a translation of the Hebrew. To be blunt, its often not very good, and this verse seems to be a case in point. Jerome is a bit over-rated, I'm afrraid.

Here are 5 fairly literal English translations of the Hebrew, all of them say, "tent" or "tabernacle for the sun". Figurative language for the "dwelling place" of the sun, not God.

Yes, there is a created heaven where God sits. It is not in the sun nor Psalm 19:4.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The Douay-Rheims is frought with problems. To begin with, it is a translation of the Vulgate which is a translation of the Hebrew. To be blunt, its often not very good, and this verse seems to be a case in point. Jerome is a bit over-rated, I'm afrraid.

Here are 5 fairly literal English translations of the Hebrew, all of them say, "tent" or "tabernacle for the sun". Figurative language for the "dwelling place" of the sun, not God.

Yes, there is a created heaven where God sits. It is not in the sun nor Psalm 19:4.

Translator bias translates the passage to state what it does not state in the original.

On this I have become fully convinced, from multiple Scripture passages and from Enoch's vision in the heavenly temple which is related twice, by him.

The Greek Septuagint in that passage translates to say "in the sun has He set His tabernacle". The Douay Rheims is correct on that passage.
In the Anti-Nicene Fathers volume 8, Excerts of Theodotus chapter LVI, Theodotus is giving his [gnostic] opinion on why the Psalmist wrote-

And in the sun has He set His tabernacle. There is a transposition here. For it is of the second coming that the discourse is. So, then, we must read what is transposed in its due sequence: And he, as a bridegroom issuing from his chamber, will rejoice as a giant to run his way. From heaven's end is his going forth; and there is no one who shall hide himself from his heat; and then, He has set His tabernacle in the sun.

Of course we do not agree with his opinions, but his quote of the Greek Septuagint proves that the Septuagint He read and used stated that in the sun has He set His tabernacle"
Every thing translated by modern men is biased to make that passage state what it does not directly and plainly state.

Not only that, but Isaiah 18:4 in the Hebrew is just as plain; There is a created temple in the created heavens called "His dwelling place, the dazzling hot sun" from where God rests and scans intently, looks down upon, the doings of specific sons of Adam -Isaiah 18:4, in the Hebrew.
The inhabitants of earth are as grasshoppers in His sight, from His throne set in the dazzling hot sun.

Enoch's visit to His created temple in His created heaven shows a "tesselated" crystal house surrounded by bands of fire, which Enoch went through to the temple. In that temple Enoch said there were no delights of life [it is not in Paradise, the City of God, then] and it was "hot as fire and cold as ice".
Above the created temple, Enoch viewed a heaven like clear water, where was the paths of the stars "above" that Holy of Holies in the heavenly temple which Enoch visited in the vision.

Enoch chapter 14 And I went in till I drew nigh to a wall which is built of crystals and surrounded by tongues of fire: and it began to affright 10 me. And I went into the tongues of fire and drew nigh to a large house which was built of crystals: and the walls of the house were like a tesselated floor (made) of crystals, and its groundwork was 11 of crystal. Its ceiling was like the path of the stars and the lightnings, and between them were 12 fiery cherubim, and their heaven was (clear as) water. A flaming fire surrounded the walls, and its 13 portals blazed with fire. And I entered into that house, and it was hot as fire and cold as ice: there 14 were no delights of life therein: fear covered me, and trembling got hold upon me. And as I quaked 15 and trembled, I fell upon my face. And I beheld a vision, And lo! there was a second house, greater 16 than the former, and the entire portal stood open before me, and it was built of flames of fire. And in every respect it so excelled in splendour and magnificence and extent that I cannot describe to 17 you its splendour and its extent. And its floor was of fire, and above it were lightnings and the path 18 of the stars, and its ceiling also was flaming fire. And I looked and saw therein a lofty throne: its appearance was as crystal, and the wheels thereof as the shining sun, and there was the vision of 19 cherubim. And from underneath the throne came streams of flaming fire so that I could not look 20 thereon. And the Great Glory sat thereon,

Chapter 71]
1 And it came to pass after this that my spirit was translated
And it ascended into the heavens:
And I saw the holy sons of God.
They were stepping on flames of fire:
Their garments were white [and their raiment],
And their faces shone like snow.
2 And I saw two streams of fire,
And the light of that fire shone like hyacinth,
And I fell on my face before the Lord of Spirits.
3 And the angel Michael [one of the archangels] seized me by my right hand,
And lifted me up and led me forth into all the secrets,
And he showed me all the secrets of righteousness.
4 And he showed me all the secrets of the ends of the heaven,
And all the chambers of all the stars, and all the luminaries,
Whence they proceed before the face of the holy ones.
5 And he translated my spirit into the heaven of heavens,
And I saw there as it were a structure built of crystals,
And between those crystals tongues of living fire.
6 And my spirit saw the girdle which girt that house of fire,
And on its four sides were streams full of living fire,
And they girt that house.
7 And round about were Seraphin, Cherubic, and Ophannin:
And these are they who sleep not
And guard the throne of His glory.
8 And I saw angels who could not be counted,
A thousand thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand,
Encircling that house.
And Michael, and Raphael, and Gabriel, and Phanuel,
And the holy angels who are above the heavens,
Go in and out of that house.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Look at Numbers 25:4. I deleted all the words added for understanding, and look at what is left.
Num 25:4 LORD said [unto] Moses, Take heads people, up before YHWH sun, fierce anger LORD away Israel.
When the sun rose, the heads of the people were hung up before YHWH , whose habitation -His dwelling/temple- is in the sun, and His anger was turned away from Israel.

There's too much evidence to discard that indeed, God means what the Word does say in the original in this matter.
The glory and fire of the created sun is an example/type, of the Glory of God.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

 

[SummaScriptura]

Okay, so, I didn't realize you were loaded for bear. ;-)

I just thought you were only going by the verse from the Vulgate.

I'll have to look into this a bit further.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Okay, so, I didn't realize you were loaded for bear. ;-)

I just thought you were only going by the verse from the Vulgate.

I'll have to look into this a bit further.

HA! -I enjoyed your response

 

[SummaScriptura]

HA! -I enjoyed your response

Well, you DID catch me by surprise!

The very idea of the created dwelling place of God being in the sun has an appeal to it. There's a symmetry to it and it seems to fit a lot of things. I'm going to have to ponder and pray about it, and thank you for the info.

BobB

 

[SummaScriptura]

I recently started noticing little errors in the various online versions of the Charles' translation of The Book of Enoch.

Originally I based my webpage on this one:
http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studies/noncanon/ot/pseudo/enoch.htm

So my copy also had many places where verses were divided in the wrong places and sometimes verse numbers were missing and verses have been run together. As an example, just look where the division for Enoch 1:2 comes:

[sup]1[/sup] The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be [sup]2[/sup] living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is [sup]3[/sup] for to come.

That's pretty odd, don't you think?

The following sites also evidence the same sort of problems:

http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/thebookofenoch.htm
http://www.altheim.com/lit/enoch.html
http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_1.HTM
http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/ethiopian/enoch/1watchers/watchers.htm
http://reluctant-messenger.com/book_of_enoch.htm

I have received a corrected digital copy. I also have an old edition of The Book of Enoch with which to compare my corrected digital copy; they are the same. So I converted the entire book into fully linakble HTML; all chapters and verses are linkable. In this version the verse breaks and numbers are correct

I also made sure it has a proper paragraph format for easier reading and with the poetry sections of the book showing in versified form.

http://www.summascriptura.com/html/Enoch_1_RHC.htm

You may link to any chapter and verse within the text like this:

To link to Chapters use this convention:
http://www.summascriptura.com/html/Enoch_1_RHC.htm#69

To link to Verses use this convention:
http://www.summascriptura.com/html/Enoch_1_RHC.htm#69:26

The # (pound) sign directs the URL to the internal anchors for either chapters or chapters and verses.

Enjoy!

P.S. Laurence and Schodde versions are in the works.

 

[SummaScriptura]

If true, one of its constituent elements is held in common by both heaven and hell, fire. In one place it is a sign of the purity of the place in the other, it is a sign of the impurity.

It could also shed new light on "he makes his angels (solar?) winds and his ministers, flames of fire."

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Well, you DID catch me by surprise!

The very idea of the created dwelling place of God being in the sun has an appeal to it. There's a symmetry to it and it seems to fit a lot of things. I'm going to have to ponder and pray about it, and thank you for the info.

BobB

We are studying Enoch chapter by chapter, verse by verse and correlating Enoch to the OT and NT [how I wish we had a link to the earliest copies of Enoch in its original words in its various translations, and a concordance!], and I never thought that when we got to the astronomical chapters we would get so much out of them as we are. We've just done chapters 71 and 72, and see that indeed the sun and moon and stars are signs set in the heavens which teach us about the seasons of creation -from beginning to end- and about the parables of the righteous and the wicked and their ends...
The light created on day one is a shadow/sign of the Everlasting YHWH; the sun on day four is a shadow, sign, of the Sun of Righteousness, the Bridegroom [who is come in flesh] and who is the Glory of the unseen YHWH and who has the Glory of the Unseen YHWH, without measure: but the moon is a type and shadow of the bride, the Redeemed, who get the glory in definite measure in this present creation but receive the greater glory when we are regenerated in bodies.
And the dark side of the moon is a shadow of the sinners and transgressors who never see the face of the Great Glory and so can never reflect a definite measure of that Glory.
I'll check out your site.

 

[Bible2]

Sticking with the original, divinely inspired Hebrew, nothing in Psalms
19:4b would require the translation "God has set his tabernacle in
the sun". Psalms 19:4b could be referring to God figuratively setting
a tabernacle (a tent) for the sun in the heavens (the sky):

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth
his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night
sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their
voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and
their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a
tabernacle for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his
chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going
forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends
of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof" (Psalms 19:1-6).

Here it could be the sun at sunrise which is like a bridegroom coming
out of his chamber, and the sun crossing the sky which is like a
strong man running a race from one end of the sky to the other, and
the heat of the sun which nothing on the earth is hid from.

Nothing in Psalms 19:4 requires that God's heavenly temple is in the
sun, instead of in the the spiritual-realm heaven (Revelation 4:2),
the third heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2b), high above our little pinprick
sun and all of the other trillions of little pinprick stars in the universe.

--

Nothing in the original Hebrew of Isaiah 18:4 would require the
translation "His dwelling place, the dazzling hot sun", just as nothing
would require the translation "His dwelling place, a cloud of dew".
Both images could simply be similes to express God's omnipresence,
and so his omniscience:

"For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider
in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud
of dew in the heat of harvest" (Isaiah 18:4).

Just as the sun's heat falls upon all things, and a cloud of dew falls
upon all things, so God's gaze from heaven falls upon all things, even
at night, even in the early morning before the dawn, when the dew
falls upon the ground from the sky.

God is omnipresent, and so gazes upon all things in all places at all
times, not just when the sun is up:

"Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith
the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD" (Jeremiah
23:24).

So nothing in the original Hebrew of Isaiah 18:4 requires that God's
heavenly temple is in the sun. Indeed, nothing in the original Hebrew
of any scriptural passage requires that God's heavenly temple is in
the sun.

---

Enoch's vision of the heavenly temple in Enoch 14 doesn't say or
require that God's heavenly temple is in the sun. A "tesselated"
crystal house surrounded by bands of fire (Enoch 14:9-12) doesn't
have to be in the sun; it could be in the third heaven (2 Corinthians
12:2b) spiritual realm (Revelation 4:2), high above the entire
universe.

The fact that in the heavenly temple Enoch saw "no delights of life"
(Enoch 14:14) would indeed mean that the heavenly temple isn't
in paradise (2 Corinthians 12:4). But this would in no way require
that the heavenly temple isn't in the third heaven spiritual realm, for
the third heaven spiritual realm could contain both the heavenly
temple and paradise.

Paradise is in the heavenly city of New Jerusalem, for the tree of life
is in paradise (Revelation 2:7), and the tree of life is in New Jerusalem
(Revelation 22:2,14). But there is no temple in New Jerusalem
(Revelation 21:22). So paradise and the heavenly temple are not the
same thing. Yet they could both be in the third heaven spiritual realm,
just as in the first century both the earthly city of Jerusalem and the
earthly temple were both on the earth.

When Enoch says regarding the heavenly temple, "Its ceiling was like
the path of the stars and the lightnings, and between them were
fiery cherubim, and their heaven was (clear as) water" (Enoch
14:11-12), this could simply be describing decorative artwork on the
ceiling of the temple, artwork which portrays a picture of the path of
the stars and the lightnings, and between them pictures of cherubim
with their heaven clear as water. The earthly temple had carved
pictures of cherubim all over it (1 Kings 6:29).

---

Nothing in Enoch's vision of the heavenly temple in Enoch 71 requires
that God's heavenly temple is in the sun. Fire can exist outside of the
sun, and holy angels could "Go in and out" (Enoch 71:8b) of a temple
which isn't in the sun, but instead in the third heaven spiritual realm.

---

Revelation 11:19, 14:15,17, and 15:5 don't say or require that the
heavenly temple is in the sun. They make no reference to the sun.

---

Revelation 19:17 doesn't say or require that the heavenly temple is
in the sun. It simply refers to an angel standing in the sun. It makes
no reference to the heavenly temple. Angels can stand in places
which aren't the heavenly temple:

"... and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the
earth" (Revelation 10:2).

"... the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards"
(Numbers 22:24).

"... the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees"
(Zechariah 1:11).

"... the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the
Jebusite" (1 Chronicles 21:15b).

---

Numbers 25:4, in the original Hebrew, in no way requires the
translation "... the heads of the people were hung up before YHWH,
whose habitation -His dwelling/temple- is in the sun".

There's no Hebrew word for habitation/dwelling/temple in Numbers
25:4. The Hebrew says only "hang <H3363> them <H0853> YHWH
<H3068> before <H5048> sun <H8121>", which could simply mean
"hang them before YHWH, in the sun", that is, in the sunlight, for
hanged people had to be taken down at sunset (Deuteronomy
21:22-23, Joshua 8:29).

Nothing in Numbers 25:4 requires that God's heavenly temple is in
the sun.

---

While Malachi 4:2 refers to Jesus symbolically as "the Sun of
righteousness", and Matthew 17:2 refers in a simile to Jesus' face
at the transfiguration shining "as the sun", and Matthew 13:43
refers in a simile to the righteous shining forth "as the sun", these in
no way require that God's heavenly temple is in the literal sun; just
as when Malachi 4:2 refers in a simile to believers growing up "as
calves of the stall", this in no way requires that believers will live in
a literal barn.

---

While 1 Timothy 6:16 refers to God dwelling in "the light which no
man can approach unto", nothing requires that this is the sun, or
any other burning star in the universe, which no man can approach
unto without being burned to a crisp.

1 Timothy 6:16 could be referrring to a light in the third heaven
spiritual realm, high above the entire universe and all of its stars,
including the sun. For the light of God is far greater than the light of
the sun: "At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven,
above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me" (Acts 26:13).

---

While Daniel 12:3 refers in a simile to resurrected believers shining
"as the brightness of the firmament" (the sky), and "as the stars",
this in no way requires that God's heavenly temple is in the literal sky,
or in the literal sun, or in any of the other trillions of literal stars in
the universe, instead of being high above every last one of them, in
the third heaven spiritual realm.

 

[SummaScriptura]

We are studying Enoch chapter by chapter, verse by verse and correlating Enoch to the OT and NT [how I wish we had a link to the earliest copies of Enoch in its original words in its various translations, and a concordance!], and I never thought that when we got to the astronomical chapters we would get so much out of them as we are. We've just done chapters 71 and 72, and see that indeed the sun and moon and stars are signs set in the heavens which teach us about the seasons of creation -from beginning to end- and about the parables of the righteous and the wicked and their ends...
The light created on day one is a shadow/sign of the Everlasting YHWH; the sun on day four is a shadow, sign, of the Sun of Righteousness, the Bridegroom [who is come in flesh] and who is the Glory of the unseen YHWH and who has the Glory of the Unseen YHWH, without measure: but the moon is a type and shadow of the bride, the Redeemed, who get the glory in definite measure in this present creation but receive the greater glory when we are regenerated in bodies.
And the dark side of the moon is a shadow of the sinners and transgressors who never see the face of the Great Glory and so can never reflect a definite measure of that Glory.
I'll check out your site.

I forgot to say how much I appreciated this post.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I forgot to say how much I appreciated this post.

I didn't see your reply. I'm glad you did.

My attention was called to another passage in Scripture that correlates with others, on the created throne and created temple "set in the created sun".
Deut 33:26 Deu 33:26 [There is] none like unto the God of Jeshurun, [who] rideth upon the heaven in thy help, and in his excellency on the sky.
El/singular is carried/rides the heavens/skies- in His magnificence/ornament, in the firmament of the heaven.
From the Greek Lexicon that is an alternate rendering of the words. Sun is masculine, and ornament is feminine, but is His throne in the sun feminine?