The condemnation of Bibliomancy and or seeking an answer by randomly pointing within His Word.

[Bible Highlighter]

Correct, with one more needed element. The hearer has to believe, too. The word works by the power of agreement.

No disagreement that a person needs to have faith in the Word in order for it to work in them. But the Word does have power to change them (with the operation of God working in harmony with His Word) if they believe it.

But the Word can be used to ward off the enemy, though. So it can be used in a way to protect us in certain circumstances.

Getting back to the OP, it is an old joke and illustration of the folly of "Bibliomancy" in this story.

Prayer: Oh God tell me what to do.
Opens Bible randomly and puts finger on this verse:

Mat_27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

He flips the pages again to the next random verse:

Luk_10:37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

I agree. This along with 2 Peter 1:20 is proof that such a thing is not true. For if a person randomly lands in Revelation or some other prophetic passage as their supposed answer from God, they are making prophecy of their own private interpretation.

Anyways, blessings to you in the Lord today.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Many understood where I was coming from. Just because you did not understand personally what I was saying until now does not change things.

Sparring ? - you had opportunity from the start to answer the questions you finally answered "WHO WAS PRACTICING BIBLIMANCY" ?
"YOU WERE"!
Thus your passion or zeal about it, even if it was mis-directed.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I agree. This along with 2 Peter 1:20 is proof that such a thing is not true. For if a person randomly lands in Revelation or some other prophetic passage as their supposed answer from God, they are making prophecy of their own private interpretation.

No, not at all, not from your own private interpretation of this, no.
That is not at all what it means for people living correctly in Jesus.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Sparring ? - you had opportunity from the start to answer the questions you finally answered "WHO WAS PRACTICING BIBLIMANCY" ?
"YOU WERE"!
Thus your passion or zeal about it, even if it was mis-directed.

I have no idea of what you are talking about here.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I have no idea of what you are talking about here.

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QUOTE="Bible Highlighter, post: 74520577, member: 356113"]Okay. You need to go back and read the OP. But to briefly recap my story, I have recently a few days ago had been wrongfully convinced by other Christians that I need to have an immediate answer from God when I prayed. Seeing I do not believe God directly uses His audible voice anymore with man today (Note: I believe this to be primarily true by a chance of 99% and I do not discount the possibility that He could speak to some on the Earth by a 1% chance), this led me to the conclusion that He uses His Word to answer my prayers. So I had partaken of the practice of opening the Bible at random to get an answer for one day. I landed in Revelation at one point in this process. I had spoken with a Christian later that day about my practice and they were happy to hear about what I was doing. But God was warning me. He brought two real fires before me in the span of two days to warn me that something was not right. God also then brought the verse to my attention that says, "No prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation." Revelation is clearly prophecy. I prayed, and got an answer from Revelation which is prophecy. Yet, 2 Peter 1:20 says no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation. The problem was that I was seeking a private interpretation or private answer to my prayer via by prophecy in Scripture (Which is wrong), of which I did not know was wrong at the time (While I was partaking of this kind of practice). So I fell briefly for a deception. I am now warning others not to partake of this wrong practice. I don't want others to fall for the same deception that I did. Do you understand now?[/QUOTE
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What is in red and in blue still needs to be clarified by God for you.
But you believed you were practicing Bibliomancy from your post.
Thus, for you, it became a sin.
Others , who do what is in red, don't sin. They have no problem with it.
Some, who make things mean something that God does not mean, perhaps like in blue, have trouble ongoing to be resolved.
Or best outlook - God is and was warning you - then GOOD ! We keep seeking God and Learning from God every day !

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No, not at all, not from your own private interpretation of this, no.
That is not at all what it means for people living correctly in Jesus.

Not sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying that Bibliomancy is not praying and randomly selecting a verse in the Bible as an answer?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

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QUOTE="Bible Highlighter, post: 74520577, member: 356113"]Okay. You need to go back and read the OP. But to briefly recap my story, I have recently a few days ago had been wrongfully convinced by other Christians that I need to have an immediate answer from God when I prayed. Seeing I do not believe God directly uses His audible voice anymore with man today (Note: I believe this to be primarily true by a chance of 99% and I do not discount the possibility that He could speak to some on the Earth by a 1% chance), this led me to the conclusion that He uses His Word to answer my prayers. So I had partaken of the practice of opening the Bible at random to get an answer for one day. I landed in Revelation at one point in this process. I had spoken with a Christian later that day about my practice and they were happy to hear about what I was doing. But God was warning me. He brought two real fires before me in the span of two days to warn me that something was not right. God also then brought the verse to my attention that says, "No prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation." Revelation is clearly prophecy. I prayed, and got an answer from Revelation which is prophecy. Yet, 2 Peter 1:20 says no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation. The problem was that I was seeking a private interpretation or private answer to my prayer via by prophecy in Scripture (Which is wrong), of which I did not know was wrong at the time (While I was partaking of this kind of practice). So I fell briefly for a deception. I am now warning others not to partake of this wrong practice. I don't want others to fall for the same deception that I did. Do you understand now?[/QUOTE
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What is in red and in blue still needs to be clarified by God for you.
But you believed you were practicing Bibliomancy from your post.
Thus, for you, it became a sin.
Others , who do what is in red, don't sin. They have no problem with it.
Some, who make things mean something that God does not mean, perhaps like in blue, have trouble ongoing to be resolved.
Or best outlook - God is and was warning you - then GOOD ! We keep seeking God and Learning from God every day !

So Bibliomancy is a sin to just some? Distorting God's Word to our own private interpretation even if it is prophetic Scripture is okay? Surely not. This would violate 2 Peter 1:20. Do you believe you can violate 2 Peter 1:20? Think. The Bible warns against those who turn the Scriptures into fables. How much worse would it be if we turn the Scriptures into a form of seeking our own twist on Scripture to fit our own personal agenda or desires?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

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QUOTE="Bible Highlighter, post: 74520577, member: 356113"]Okay. You need to go back and read the OP. But to briefly recap my story, I have recently a few days ago had been wrongfully convinced by other Christians that I need to have an immediate answer from God when I prayed. Seeing I do not believe God directly uses His audible voice anymore with man today (Note: I believe this to be primarily true by a chance of 99% and I do not discount the possibility that He could speak to some on the Earth by a 1% chance), this led me to the conclusion that He uses His Word to answer my prayers. So I had partaken of the practice of opening the Bible at random to get an answer for one day. I landed in Revelation at one point in this process. I had spoken with a Christian later that day about my practice and they were happy to hear about what I was doing. But God was warning me. He brought two real fires before me in the span of two days to warn me that something was not right. God also then brought the verse to my attention that says, "No prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation." Revelation is clearly prophecy. I prayed, and got an answer from Revelation which is prophecy. Yet, 2 Peter 1:20 says no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation. The problem was that I was seeking a private interpretation or private answer to my prayer via by prophecy in Scripture (Which is wrong), of which I did not know was wrong at the time (While I was partaking of this kind of practice). So I fell briefly for a deception. I am now warning others not to partake of this wrong practice. I don't want others to fall for the same deception that I did. Do you understand now?[/QUOTE
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What is in red and in blue still needs to be clarified by God for you.
But you believed you were practicing Bibliomancy from your post.
Thus, for you, it became a sin.
Others , who do what is in red, don't sin. They have no problem with it.
Some, who make things mean something that God does not mean, perhaps like in blue, have trouble ongoing to be resolved.
Or best outlook - God is and was warning you - then GOOD ! We keep seeking God and Learning from God every day !

Even if we were not to call it Bibliomancy, would it be okay to pray and then seek an answer to that prayer by randomly pointing in the Bible? Whatever you want to call it, this kind of practice is wrong because of 2 Peter 1:20 because it is only a matter of time before you randomly would land on a prophetic Scripture verse. Can you please tell me what 2 Peter 1:20 says?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So Bibliomancy is a sin to just some?

Is THAT how YOU are defining it ?
By definition, publicly acknowledged, isn't it always a sin ?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Is THAT how YOU are defining it ?
By definition, publicly acknowledged, isn't it always a sin ?

Well you are the one who said, I quote:

"Thus, for you, it became a sin.
Others , who do what is in red, don't sin.
They have no problem with it."
Quote by: ~ Yeshuaslavejeff.​

I am saying that this practice is always a sin. Not sure if you think it is a sin or not. You seem to be arguing against my trying to expose this error (Which implies that you agree with it).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Even if we were not to call it Bibliomancy, would it be okay to pray and then seek an answer to that prayer by randomly pointing in the Bible? Whatever you want to call it, this kind of practice is wrong because of 2 Peter 1:20 because it is only a matter of time before you randomly would land on a prophetic Scripture verse. Can you please tell me what 2 Peter 1:20 says?

You are obsessed it seems with a false definition not of that Scripture and lacking experiential knowledge of the word "interpretation" and/or "private/interpretation" .

Yes it is fine and good and okay to seek an answer to prayer from the ALMIGHTY in Scripture ANY WAY you can in good conscience TRUSTING JESUS.

No, this practice is NOT what Bibliomancy is (unless YOU or someone RE-DEFINES it that way ....
No, this practice is NOT trying to twist God's Arm to get an answer (which is what you said /posted/ you think you were doing) ....
No, this whole topic should not be broadly applied to little children, young believers, older believers, or anyone who is TRUSTING JESUS in all that they do, including reading a verse from SCRIPTURE, here or there, or posted on their door posts, or posted on their phylacteries (as directed IN SCRIPTURE), or published in a daily bible devotion!



So not, this practice of READING THE BIBLE, bit by bit, word by word, line upon line,
learning like a little child, like a CHILD OF GOD does,
is NOT WRONG!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

@yeshuaslavejeff

What is your understanding on 2 Peter 1:20?
Can you give me a word for word commentary on this verse and how that would apply in the life of the believer today?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I am saying that this practice is always a sin.

YOUR motives, not someone else's motives,
YOUR heart, YOUR mind, YOU SINNED, as you confessed in previous posts you think.

OTHER PEOPLE'S MOTIVES are not seen by you. You do not know them. They are not sinning AT ALL as far as we know in reading the BiBLE TRUSTING JESUS !

If they DO what you DID, and have a FALSE HEART, a FALSE MOTIVE, a SINFUL MOTIVE<
THEN YES, then they are sinning.

BUT the practice of reading the BIBLE is NOT SINNING in itself. God looks at the heart.
He knows if you are trusting JESUS , or trusting something else.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

@yeshuaslavejeff

What is your understanding on 2 Peter 1:20?
Can you give me a word for word commentary on this verse and how that would apply in the life of the believer today?

This does not apply to this situation today , in this thread.
The sin is far different and not even close to what is written in 2 Peter 1:20,
UNLESS
you are interpreting it ?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You are obsessed it seems with a false definition not of that Scripture and lacking experiential knowledge of the word "interpretation" and/or "private/interpretation" .

Yes it is fine and good and okay to seek an answer to prayer from the ALMIGHTY in Scripture ANY WAY you can in good conscience TRUSTING JESUS.

No, this practice is NOT what Bibliomancy is (unless YOU or someone RE-DEFINES it that way ....
No, this practice is NOT trying to twist God's Arm to get an answer (which is what you said /posted/ you think you were doing) ....
No, this whole topic should not be broadly applied to little children, young believers, older believers, or anyone who is TRUSTING JESUS in all that they do, including reading a verse from SCRIPTURE, here or there, or posted on their door posts, or posted on their phylacteries (as directed IN SCRIPTURE), or published in a daily bible devotion!



So not, this practice of READING THE BIBLE, bit by bit, word by word, line upon line,
learning like a little child, like a CHILD OF GOD does,
is NOT WRONG!

Ah, so the cat is out of the bag. You are in approval of the practice of praying, and then seeking an answer by randomly opening the Bible and in randomly pointing to a Scripture verse.

However, there is one BIG problem for you.

2 Peter 1:20.

What if you randomly choose a verse in Revelation?
Revelation is prophetic or prophecy.

So if you prayed on whether to take a new job, and you opened to a passage in Revelation (so as to get an answer from God), and you read into Revelation your own private interpretation of wanting to make a new decision in life or in career moves in the Bible, you would be taking the Bible out of context to fit your own private interpretation.

2 Peter 1:20 says that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation.
If you were to read something into the prophecy of Revelation so as a private interpretation on whether or not to take a new job, you would be violating 2 Peter 1:20. Do you not understand this? What does 2 Peter 1:20 mean to you?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Not sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying that Bibliomancy is not praying and randomly selecting a verse in the Bible as an answer?

You yourself, if I am remembering right about this,
you yourself posted a definition and/or links to definitions that do not say that that is what Bibliomancy is.

Obviously, mistaking Bibliomancy for what people with pure motives do, is wrong.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

This does not apply to this situation today , in this thread.
The sin is far different and not even close to what is written in 2 Peter 1:20,
UNLESS
you are interpreting it ?

How do you understand 2 Peter 1:20? Can you give me an example of how that would work today?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Ah, so the cat is out of the bag. You are in approval of the practice of praying, and then seeking an answer by randomly opening the Bible and in randomly pointing to a Scripture verse.

That cat was NEVER in the bag - only in your mind was it ever taken wrong and confused with Bibliomancy. Like something evil (an idea) got inside you and caused the obsession ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

However, there is one BIG problem for you.

2 Peter 1:20.

The problem is with the error full obsession that has gotten you in its control.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That cat was NEVER in the bag - only in your mind was it ever taken wrong and confused with Bibliomancy. Like something evil (an idea) got inside you and caused the obsession ?

Please explain 2 Peter 1:20. Please give an example of how that works today.