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Whether the term, or even the doctrine, exists was not ever in question.
There seemed there, as in this thread/ op/ to be no purpose, to be as it were empty or in vain, since no one was quoted or shown to be doing what the OP claimed.
No. I don't have to believe that.
Can you PROVE THEY DID NOT ?
People have testified TODAY that they read the Scripture that way sometimes. No problem for them who are seeking God.
You have NOT YET shown that ANYONE you know or have seen has been trying to twist God's Arm... not even one quote to that effect, none at all.
As you said, for those who believe it. Simply quoting scriptures out of context and without understanding what is meant, has no power. The power comes when "rightly dividing the word of truth", not simply throwing words out.The Word of God works in those who believe it.
So don't use Bibliomancy. Just read the Bible seeking God's Kingdom, as much and as often as possible daily, any way desired truthfully and hopefully and like a little child!.If God does not operate by means of Bibliomancy, and I believe He does not according to 2 Peter 1:20, then one is strong arming God for answers by such a method.
Does she practice necromancy? It looks from the title like new age, so I wouldn't read it on any basis so far given.Here is a book by Valerie Love KAISI.
What does the Bible say about the power in the tongue ? For life or death? Even if just talking, not even related to Bible verses?Simply quoting scriptures out of context and without understanding what is meant, has no power.
Who wanted you to do what? Someone wanted you to practice Bibliomancy!? They do the same thing!? I thought you were against Bibliomancy! (I still think so, fwiw).They wanted me to do it. This means they were endorsing me in doing so meant that they most likely did the same thing.
As you said, for those who believe it. Simply quoting scriptures out of context and without understanding what is meant, has no power. The power comes when "rightly dividing the word of truth", not simply throwing words out.
I stand by what I said. Just as randomly picking a page and sticking your finger on a verse is wrong, so is throwing out scriptures like magic incantations.
But for those skillful in the use of the Word, it is more powerful than a two edged sword when believed as well as spoken.
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.What does the Bible say about the power in the tongue ? For life or death? Even if just talking, not even related to Bible verses?
The public, posted, threads and topics are infecting a lot of readers, the way you put this.So you think a small error cannot infect others? Can a little bit of rat poison in a person's glass of water not hurt them? The problem I see with your line of thinking is that you think that a small error or problem is not worth mentioning if only a few small few appear to believe in it. You seem to think that the belief needs to have a large list of names attached to it in order for it to be a valid false belief. This is simply not the case.
Pointing , picking, choosing, at random or otherwise, any Bible section to readYes, I would agree with you that praying to God and then pointing to a Scripture verse at random in the Bible is wrong because 2 Peter 1:20 says no Scripture is of any private interpretation, and it is forcing an answer out of God
Granted, a magical spell like incantation is intended to cause some kind of change in the scenario or situation. While Scripture should not exactly be compared to being akin to the dark arts, the Bible does have the power to change a person's life if they believe or have faith. To say so otherwise means that God's Word has no power to change anyone. It would be dead and useless to change anyone if spoken. Hebrews talks about how the Word of God is living active and sharper than any two edged sword (See Hebrews 4:12). Yes. We need faith. That is always the ingredient that is needed to change a person's life. God does not force the power of His Word upon people beyond their own free will so as to believe it. I don't think the majority of Protestants believe that the Word of God changes the will of a person and it forces them to believe in God. They would all agree that a person needs to exercise their own faith out of their own free will. But what you are failing to realize is that God's Word can shine out the darkness. Again, Jesus was able to defeat the devil by quoting Scripture. The devil did not need to believe in it in order to be defeated by the consistent quoting of Scripture done by faith. But again, a Pastor quotes Scripture with the hope that it will change a person's life if they believe. To suggest that Scripture has no power to change a person's life (like with saying it cannot do anything when spoken by the comparison you made with the dark arts) is simply not true. God changes people's lives by His Word every day.
Yes, I would agree with you that praying to God and then pointing to a Scripture verse at random in the Bible is wrong because 2 Peter 1:20 says no Scripture is of any private interpretation, and it is forcing an answer out of God, but it is not wrong to quote Scripture and expect a change in people who believe. We can also quote Scripture to defeat the enemy like Jesus did. So if you are tempted, you can quote Scripture as a form of protection against temptation. So yes. There is power in the Word of God. Yes, God's Word has power to change people. Not against their free will, but by them having faith. God can be very persuasive in preparing and opening their heart in order to believe, but it in the end, it is up to the individual to decide if they want to truly believe in His Word or not. But without the speaking of His Word, nobody would be changed.
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" (Romans 10:14).
It doesn't matter if they understand it or not.1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
The power of words is in their understanding, not merely the sounds emitted.
Who wanted you to do what? Someone wanted you to practice Bibliomancy!? They do the same thing!? I thought you were against Bibliomancy! (I still think so, fwiw).
We understand each other. The Bible only has power as used by God. God is the power that changes, not the printed page. When the words of Holy Writ are used according to the will of God, God is the power that then makes changes in people's lives.
I am by no means belittling the importance of the Bible. I only pointed out how it is misused by people who think that simply quoting a verse has power in of itself. The power is God using that verse, not the verse. Hebrews says what I am saying best.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Correctly using scriptures is a skill.
As you said, for those who believe it. Simply quoting scriptures out of context and without understanding what is meant, has no power. The power comes when "rightly dividing the word of truth", not simply throwing words out.
I stand by what I said. Just as randomly picking a page and sticking your finger on a verse is wrong, so is throwing out scriptures like magic incantations.
But for those skillful in the use of the Word, it is more powerful than a two edged sword when believed as well as spoken.
Then you misunderstood my point. In Cor 13 Paul refers to speaking in tongues of which no one understands. It becomes noise and is meaningless.It doesn't matter if they understand it or not.
As God's Word says, when people speak , there is power of life and death in their tongue.
Most all the world is death speaking. Death dealing. On purpose or unwittingly, every day. "Pernicious" (all society), from Galatians, etc. including written in the Apocalypse.
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NOW THIS MAKES SENSE. (why the op/thread/topic)
It does not make it right, yet, but it makes sense.
Bibliomancy has been 'glorified', though obviously not the intent.
You said:I would gently suggest delete the thread and start over with this (your last post).
You said:(If you want to continue to thresh it out - to gain understanding) .... maybe not even mentioning ol' "mancy" ....
I believe both God and the Word (Scripture) work in harmony together, and they cannot be separated from each other. For the word of God are the very thoughts of God. God's words can have a change or effect on people.
Then you misunderstood my point. In Cor 13 Paul refers to speaking in tongues of which no one understands. It becomes noise and is meaningless.
Life and death in the tongue having power is in the understanding and meaning, not merely the sounds of words.
Likewise in using Scriptures, the power is in the understanding, and as I said to another, in God's use of the words. If someone uses verses superstitiously like magic incantations it has no power.
I watched a video made by Baptists on the book of Acts. Since Baptists in general have no understanding in the matter of speaking in tongues, they did a poor job in presenting Pentecost.
They interpreted the praying in one accord of the disciples before the tongues of fire descended upon them as a recitation of the Lord's prayer.
It was an absurd scene to hear them pray over and over and over Our father in heaven.... It was a scene in direct violation of the Lord for us to not pray like the heathen with vain repetition, thinking they will be heard. The disciples did not repeat that prayer mindlessly as portrayed in that scene.
Likewise, simply quoting scriptures without faith is like superstitious recitation of "magic words".
Heb_4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
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