The common thread in Trump's defenders

[Oompa Loompa]

The jury HAD TO BELIEVE....not decide.

Well, I belive that Biden molests children. Therefore he should be convicted as a pedophile. I guess it could would both ways.

 

[iluvatar5150]

What was the crime Trump was trying to hide when he supposedly falsified the documents? I will wait because even the prosecutors and the jury didn't know.

Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Manhattan District Attorney (DA), Alvin Bragg, accused Trump of falsifying these business records with the intent to commit other crimes: violation of federal campaign finance limits, unlawfully influencing the 2016 U.S. presidential election, and tax fraud.[a]

Here's a link to the jury instructions. The relevant section starts on page 27, but picks up on page 31.

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People%20v.%20DJT%20Jury%20Instructions%20and%20Charges%20FINAL%205-23-24.pdf

 

[rambot]

Well, I belive that Biden molests children. Therefore he should be convicted as a pedophile. I guess it could would both ways.

Well given your online history in discussing Biden, you'd probably not have an opportunity to serve on a jury against him.

 

[ChronoCrafter]

Listen hard. Not one says he didn't do the acts for which he was convicted.
Instead, they say:
He shouldn't have been charged.
The crimes were committed too long ago (2016).
He has not been convicted of federal election fraud. Not yet!
They quibble about NY state law.
They say the trial should have been in Staten Island.

But not one says, "He never did those things."

And let's face it, those things were 110% immoral and unethical.

It's interesting how the focus shifts away from the core issue of morality and ethics towards technicalities and procedural defenses. It highlights a broader societal challenge: sometimes the conversation gets diverted to legal nuances rather than addressing the fundamental wrongdoings. It makes you wonder about the priorities we set and the values we uphold.

 

[Fantine]

What was the crime Trump was trying to hide when he supposedly falsified the documents? I will wait because even the prosecutors and the jury didn't know.

Paying bribes to influence an election. Falsifying records to influence an election.
Those who are honest will realize he's getting off easy. He has committed so many crimes to influence elections since then that he is paying lawyers $50 million to clog up the process with 50,000 motions, 5,000 briefs, and heaven knows what behind the scenes.
So far they are cheating justice, and if these 34 convictions have to cover for the 54 others, at least justice was served.

 

[ralliann]

Paying bribes to influence an election.

You mean the money paid for a non-disclosure agreement?

Falsifying records to influence an election.

You mean a legal non-disclosure agreement is not a legal expense?

Those who are honest will realize he's getting off easy. He has committed so many crimes to influence elections since then that he is paying lawyers $50 million to clog up the process with 50,000 motions, 5,000 briefs, and heaven knows what behind the scenes.
So far they are cheating justice, and if these 34 convictions have to cover for the 54 others, at least justice was served.

Because he had his lawyer, draw up a non disclosure agreement, They decided it was a campaign contribution he got off easy? pff

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Here's a link to the jury instructions. The relevant section starts on page 27, but picks up on page 31.

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People%20v.%20DJT%20Jury%20Instructions%20and%20Charges%20FINAL%205-23-24.pdf

With the intent of covering what crime?! Circular reasoning. What federal crime did Trump commit that warrented a federal case, but conveniently was processed outside a federal court? WHAT WAS HIS FEDERAL CRIME THAT HE WAS HIDING AFTER HIS SUPPOSED atourny

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Paying bribes to influence an election. Falsifying records to influence an election.

Since you were so much more informed about this case than anyone else, what evidence was presented to suggest that the documents were specifically falsified to influence an election and where was the evidence showing the influence? Honestly, there is no possible way you can answer this question because the prosecution couldn't do it. So I ask you again, what federal crime was trump trying to cover up when he supposedly falsified the documents? Dare I even mention the fact that the prosecutor's key witness, Michael Cohen, admitted to falsifying the documents himself without Trump's knowledge for the purpose of stealing from Trump? I bet you wouldn't care.

Regardless, influencing a federal election is a federal offense. So why was Trump tried in a state court? Answer: You don't know but you will make up some stuff and pull it out of places we cannot mention.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

You mean the money paid for a non-disclosure agreement?

You mean a legal non-disclosure agreement is not a legal expense?

Because he had his lawyer, draw up a non disclosure agreement, They decided it was a campaign contribution he got off easy? pff

It was because Trump is a mean ol' meanie man and needs to be punished. That was Trump's federal crime that he was trying to conceal.

 

[iluvatar5150]

With the intent of covering what crime?! Circular reasoning. What federal crime did Trump commit that warrented a federal case, but conveniently was processed outside a federal court? WHAT WAS HIS FEDERAL CRIME THAT HE WAS HIDING AFTER HIS SUPPOSED atourny

Oh, we’re using caps? K

I QUOTED THE CRIMES IN THE FIRST HALF OF MY POST THAT YOU CUT OUT.

HERE IT IS AGAIN:

The Manhattan District Attorney (DA), Alvin Bragg, accused Trump of falsifying these business records with the intent to commit other crimes: violation of federal campaign finance limits, unlawfully influencing the 2016 U.S. presidential election, and tax fraud.[a]

IS THAT CLEAR NOW? SHOULD I MAKE IT RED???

OR MAYBE YOU COULD JUST GOOGLE IT NEXT TIME SO I DON’T HAVE TO SPOON FEED IT TO YOU.



You guys were all so good at “doing your own research” when it came to covid, but now you can’t be bothered to read the court documents or some wikipedia citations for yourself?

 

[Fantine]

You mean the money paid for a non-disclosure agreement?

You mean a legal non-disclosure agreement is not a legal expense?

Because he had his lawyer, draw up a non disclosure agreement, They decided it was a campaign contribution he got off easy? pff

Does a normal NDA include payoffs for silence?
David Pecker said that, although he did Trump's dirty work in the past, he told Trump he wouldn't do it this time because he believed it would be illegal.
Hmmm...that was some powerful testimony.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Does a normal NDA include payoffs for silence?

literally what an nda is

 

[Fantine]

literally what an nda is

But as David Pecker noted, the closeness to the election rendered it, in the opinion of the Enquirer's legal counsel, illegal.

 

[ozso]

No, it will not be the same.
Trump will surround himself with loyalists....in key positions across the government including the Pentagon.
There will be no one to stop his dangerous or illegal orders as in the 1st go around.

On one hand I hear how like Biden Trump won't have the power to fix anything. And on the other of course is how diabolically powerful he'll be. He won't have the power to fix the economy and crime and so on because the power to do so lies elsewhere. But he will have the power to destroy the constitution and democracy and so on.

 

[ozso]

But as David Pecker noted, the closeness to the election rendered it, in the opinion of the Enquirer's legal counsel, illegal.

They found all sorts of ways to make something that would normally be legal, past the statute of limitations, a misdemeanor etc, into 34 active felonies.

 

[ralliann]

Does a normal NDA include payoffs for silence?

The very definition is silence

David Pecker said that, although he did Trump's dirty work in the past, he told Trump he wouldn't do it this time because he believed it would be illegal.

The way I heard it. Beckers attorney's warned that it may look like a campaign contribution.

Hmmm...that was some powerful testimony.

No, That the scrutiny of that payment would necessitate disclosure (to make public), it was for a non disclosure agreement. Which defeats the purpose of a non disclosure agreement, and you may as well just flush your money down the toilet. You would have to disclose, that the money was to a porn star to not disclose "something".
What is more powerful is that this same payment was looked at before, and no charges were pursued

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Oh, we’re using caps? K

I QUOTED THE CRIMES IN THE FIRST HALF OF MY POST THAT YOU CUT OUT.

HERE IT IS AGAIN:



IS THAT CLEAR NOW? SHOULD I MAKE IT RED???

OR MAYBE YOU COULD JUST GOOGLE IT NEXT TIME SO I DON’T HAVE TO SPOON FEED IT TO YOU.



You guys were all so good at “doing your own research” when it came to covid, but now you can’t be bothered to read the court documents or some wikipedia citations for yourself?

"With the intent of committing other crimes." WHAT WERE THE OTHER CRIMES!

Even if there were other crimes that influenced the election, that would then be a federal case. So why on earth wad it tried in a state court? Answer: because screw Trump. That's why. And that's why his donations skyrocketed and why he will win back the presidency. Because the American public are not that stupid so notice a kangaroo court when they see one. I have said it before, and I will say it again. The liberal left, and the democratic party, hate Trump more than they love the country. Therefore, they will gladly watch our democracy burn just to see Trump in jail.

 

[ralliann]

They found all sorts of ways to make something that would normally be legal, past the statute of limitations, a misdemeanor etc, into 34 active felonies.

News just in....Now we are looking at a mistrial. Judge Merchan just said, a post was found, within the court system e-mails, a day before the verdict.....That their cousin was on the jury, and told him Trump was going to be convicted..... Now an investigation into this......and possibly a retrial............

 

[Oompa Loompa]

News just in....Now we are looking at a mistrial. Judge Merchan just said, a post was found, within the court system e-mails, a day before the verdict.....That their cousin was on the jury, and told him Trump was going to be convicted..... Now an investigation into this......and possibly a retrial............

I rest my case. Kangaroo court indeed. What is the most disturbing is that regardless if Trump is completely exonerated, the liberal left will always call Trump a "convicted felon." Because that makes them happy and sleep better at night regardless if he is innocent or not.

The jury was like, "Yeah! We got him. He is finally going to be convicted thanks to everyone's help." Kangaroo court indeed.

 

[ralliann]

I rest my case. Kangaroo court indeed. What is the most disturbing is that regardless if Trump is completely exonerated, the liberal left will always call Trump a "convicted felon." Because that makes them happy and sleep better at night regardless if he is innocent or not.

I agree a kangaroo court. I agree also on libs. I would like to see this case finally get to court of justice. So people who are confused can know what happened here. And some people taken out of that system, that are corrupt..