The common thread in Trump's defenders

[Pommer]

I am still trying to find out what Law Trump Broke

Whoever did his finances, used a pul down menu on the software they were using, and picked the one which said expense paid to his lawyer for his lawyers work.

1. Thats what it was
2. There is no proof trump did this, and not someone else
3. its not a crime, it actually fit exactly what trump paid the liar who again lied on stand, to do.

so again

Why is clinton ok with doing it, But trump a whole different standard.

Going to the appeals court with
Our ledger software didn’t include a drop-down that included ‘repayment of illegal campaign contribution’,
would likely make the Judges’ day, right there.

 

[probinson]

Perhaps you have less faith in the justice system because Mr. Trump was tried and convicted in NY, but many millions of us have regained a little...just a little more faith in the justice system.

Yes. Democrats are positively giddy with the guilty verdict by the biased judge in the trial that contorted the law beyond all recognition.

But for once, we can believe in justice again.

Right. Donald Trump being convicted in a city where nearly 90% of people voted against him on charges that have never been brought against anyone else for a crime that is almost always a misdemeanor hyped up to the lowest class felony to circumvent the statute of limitations certainly is the jolt that most people needed to "believe in justice again".

Partisanship sure is a heckuva thing.

 

[Fantine]

Yes. Democrats are positively giddy with the guilty verdict by the biased judge in the trial that contorted the law beyond all recognition.



Right. Donald Trump being convicted in a city where nearly 90% of people voted against him on charges that have never been brought against anyone else for a crime that is almost always a misdemeanor hyped up to the lowest class felony to circumvent the statute of limitations certainly is the jolt that most people needed to "believe in justice again".

Partisanship sure is a heckuva thing.

I take it then that you are glad he has to reimburse the taxpayers of NY who were carrying the weight for the deadbeat on 5th Avenue, and held him accountable for sexual assault.

No mention of the two unpatriotic traitors on the take in Washington--our most dangerous problem in the judiciary and the reason for progressive lack of faith in our
Justice system.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Right. Donald Trump being convicted in a city where nearly 90% of people voted against him on charges that have never been brought against anyone else for a crime that is almost always a misdemeanor hyped up to the lowest class felony to circumvent the statute of limitations certainly is the jolt that most people needed to "believe in justice again".

Partisanship sure is a heckuva thing.

I think I can speak for most of my fellow partisans when I say we'd be happy to trade this conviction for those regarding the insurrection.

Personally, I'm curious to see how long the jury deliberates in the documents case. They were pretty fast in this one, and it was much less of a slam dunk.

 

[probinson]

Take a moment to read from the guy Merchan didn't want to "confuse" the jury.

Misreporting business expenses is normally, at most, a misdemeanor. Bragg seeks to ratchet it up to a felony here by arguing that the misreporting was done to cover up a crime. That alleged crime is a violation of the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA). The theory is that Trump’s payments to Daniels were campaign expenditures and thus needed to be publicly reported as such. By not reporting the expenditure, the theory goes, Trump prevented the public from knowing information that might have influenced their votes. ​

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There is one big problem with this theory: The payments to Daniels were not campaign payments.​

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Trump's Best Defense Has Nothing To Do With Bragg Or Merchan​

 

[probinson]

Biden is now leading in 3 swing states and leads in national polls.

Which polls are those?

 

[essentialsaltes]

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There is one big problem with this theory: The payments to Daniels were not campaign payments.​

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Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to campaign finance law violations specifically over that payment.

 

[probinson]

Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to campaign finance law violations specifically over that payment.

Well, I'm sure you know more about campaign finance law than the former Chairman of the Federal Election Commission.

Did you read the article?

Herein lies the most frightening part of this prosecution: Had Trump made these payments with campaign funds, it seems a near certainty he would now be facing criminal charges for a knowing and willful diversion of campaign funds to pay personal obligations. If Bragg’s prosecution is successful, it will mean a candidate can use campaign funds to pay almost any obligation that, the candidate might argue, would benefit his candidacy. Perhaps worse, zealous prosecutors could get a candidate coming or going — falsification of records if campaign funds are not used, and illegal personal use if campaign funds are used. ​

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I’m always tickled by all these seemingly rock solid defenses random people on the internet are able to come up with that Trump’s own high paid lawyers apparently ignored or were totally clueless to during his trial.

Trump should actually be sending millions of dollars to his supporters for all their hard work in defending him, not the other way around.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Well, I'm sure you know more about campaign finance law than the former Chairman of the Federal Election Commission.

I'm sure the lawyers prosecuting Michael Cohen, as well as his defense lawyers, know enough.

Did you read the article?

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No, but Trump's defense lawyers must have. If there's grounds for an appeal, whoopee for him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, you aren't still trying to find that out. Multiple people have already explained it you.

No,

what they have done is tell me what they think he was charged with.

Unlike most people. I want to know what he was actually charged with..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Where are the separate acts of business fraud in furtherance of Clinton’s coverup? That’s what Trump has been charge with. Not paying off his mistress. That’s not against the law. Business fraud is against the law. That’s what Trump did that Clinton didn’t do.

There was no business fraud

if you think so. You do not know the law.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Clinton did not do this.

Also, Trump falsified documents to hide his payment to Stormy Daniels because it might affect the election, while Clinton practically had a giant check delivered to Paula Jones in public when he was already winding down his last term in office.

lol

Whatever..

I come to expect people to stand up for a liberal who commits crimes

the trump hate is very evident, by the bias we see in the very room.

Trump did not do anything that most people do not already do.

 

[BCP1928]

No,

what they have done is tell me what they think he was charged with.

Unlike most people. I want to know what he was actually charged with..

It's a matter of public record if you really want to know.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Everybody (falsifies business documents.)* You're just going after Trump because he is trying to lead this country closer to God.

*Insert name of crime as appropriate.

Trump scares the left.

Thats why they re trying to take him out..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You've been specifically explained in multiple threads. At this point you're just trolling.

lol

I am not falsly accusing a president.

Nor am I trolling

I have been told the same lies by many in this thread (the people you claim have told me) that I hear on the media.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

There was no business fraud

Actually there were 34 instances of fraud proven to a jury in a court of law where everyone is under oath.

if you think so. You do not know the law.

I don’t know the law. That’s why I’m relying on what the prosecutors were able to prove.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Actually, Judge Merchan made 3 monetary donations totaling $35 to decmocratic causes, one entitled, "Stop Republicans". I don't care what an ethics committee ruled. This absolutely calls into question the impartiality of the judge. CNN reported on it in April 2023.

The political donations are undoubtedly small, but they nevertheless raise questions about Merchan’s impartiality as he has come under attack by the former president as a “Trump-hating judge.” ​

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“While the amounts here are minimal, it’s surprising that a sitting judge would make political donations of any size to a partisan candidate or cause,” said Elie Honig, a senior CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor.​

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/judge-merchan-trump-biden-contribution/index.html

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Would a different judge have handled things differently? Perhaps. Perhaps not. We'll never know since the trial proceeded with the clearly biased judge.



The timing of this case is highly suspect. We're talking about a trial that should have been for a misdemeanor that occurred more than 8 years ago. But that wouldn't fly, because the statute of limitations had expired. So, Bragg, who famously bragged during his campaign that he had sued the Trump administration more than 100 times, decided to amp up the charges to the lowest possible felony so that the statute of limitations wouldn't apply and so that Democrats could coin the new phrase, "Convicted Felon Donald Trump." In that respect, Bragg delivered on his campaign promise and cemented himself in the history books.

And for what? I think this Tweet sums up the way many Americans feel about the verdict.

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The machinations that were necessary to arrive at this conviction are not lost on most people. And in a populace that already had a historically low trust in the US justice system, this will only serve to further impugn the legitimacy of that system. Worse still for Democrats, there is now a large swath of the population that feels that THEY have been cheated by the justice system and can now empathize with Trump.

And I was called a troll.

Thank you for this post. It explains alot..

But I doubt they will hear..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Perhaps you have less faith in the justice system because Mr. Trump was tried and convicted in NY, but many millions of us have regained a little...just a little more faith in the justice system.

We still have two Supreme Court justices who have taken millions in patronage money and who can now add probable treason to their battered, tattered curriculum vitae. Ginny Thomas conspired with the 1/6 insurrectionists--you think her husband was too busy counting his expensive gifts to know? Mrs. Alito, over 70 years old, managed to put that flag upside down on the garage--and her husband backed in and out of the driveway for 11 days and never noticed? And the beach house conspiracy theory flag as well? The Chief Justice unveiled an ethics plan, custom made for justices to arrogantly ignore, dripping with undeserved entitlement. Of course the Chief Justice's wife had made $8 million in ten years as a headhunter for Washington firms trying cases before the Supreme Court. Can't you just hear them? "Mrs. Roberts is our very favorite headhunter, and that's why she's 'earned' $800,000 a year in commissions from all of us."

And then we have Justice Cannon, Trump's appointee and apparent puppet. The case that's so slam-dunk most defendants would try to cut a deal and plead guilty has been battered into oblivion, but her marching orders are obviously to schedule it sometime in 2030? 2040? Who knows?

Along with the historic racial and economic biases in many states--Texas probably leads the hall of shame in this one, executing convicts with IQs of 60 whose only crime was being framed by shrewder, smarter murderers.

But for once, we can believe in justice again. The real picture of Donald Trump is unfolding, thanks to the diligence of the NY justice system.

A man with a phony university who bilked thousands of students hoping to improve their careers. $25 million judgment only covered some of their losses.

A man who owned a business that consistently overappraised assets to get loans and minimized them to avoid taxes. Judgment $450 billion.

A man who sexually assaulted a woman, and when she took him to court, destroyed her reputation with vicious lies. Judgment $83 million.

A man who concealed his promiscuous sexual activity with porn stars and playmates because he wanted to win an election. Judgment, guilty on 34 counts.

They have a long record of wins because he has a long record of dishonesty, fraud, promiscuity, etc.

Pro Publica found yesterday that many of his employees promised never to testify against him due to NDA's. One is now making $60K a month. Another is making $3 million a year.

I agree that the NY trial was the most inconsequential of the bunch, but they deserve a ton of credit for running the gauntlet of overpaid lawyers and hundreds of motions and getting something done.

I would venture to guess that he has now been held accountable for perhaps 10% of his misdeeds through the years. May he be held accountable for much more in the future.

When they use the court of law to go against their enemies, yet they get away scott free with everything, then there can be no faith in the american justice system.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How is that crumbling? Those quotes from Fiorentini seem like reasonable responses to me.

lol..

reasonable for a leftist maybe..