The circular argument of God and miracles

[bhsmte]

I'm doing nothing but professing THE TRUTH

Those whom GOD has given ears to hear will hear. For HIS WORD will go out and will not return to HIM void but will accomplish HIS PURPOSE

I don't know who will hear and believe but HE does

And it is enough for the worker to go out and cast the seed knowing HE alone will bring the increase

You are doing nothing but stating opinion. You have given no reason other than you say so, to believe it is the truth.

 

[miknik5]

Why is it that Christians think they can read minds? And why do that have such a spectacularly bad success rate, even to the point that it's worse than chance?

You said:

"if anyone were truly seeking they would have looked into it themselves. You know. To test those claims."

I did. And there's nothing there.

And I'll ask again, since you might have missed it...

So why continue knowing that you're doing more harm than good?

In response to your first sentence:

Because I was also there which is why I said what I said with regards to "faith"

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I'm doing nothing but professing THE TRUTH

Those whom GOD has given ears to hear will hear. For HIS WORD will go out and will not return to HIM void but will accomplish HIS PURPOSE

I don't know who will hear and believe but HE does

And it is enough for the worker to go out and cast the seed knowing HE alone will bring the increase

Do you believe that your god is happy with adherents whose actions cause atheists to be more convinced they're correct in their disbelief? Because that's demonstrably happening.

If you don't believe me, take a poll here. Ask if anyone is more likely to become a Christian after hearing you.

 

[miknik5]

If you sought after you claimed yourself to be a Christian then you were not

A Christian isn't some sort of "action" that we do to claim ourselves Christian

It is FIRST and Ever will be what HE has done

 

[ToddNotTodd]

In response to your first sentence:

Because I was also there

That's a terrible basis for mind reading. Using that logic, I can point to any Christian and say they're really an atheist, because "I was also there", and came away an atheist.

See how that doesn't work?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

If you sought after you claimed yourself to be a Christian then you were not

I don't think you want to go down the "you were never a Christian" road. Because it really doesn't lead to a good conclusion for people who call themselves a Christian now...

So you still maintain I was never a Christian?

 

[miknik5]

Do you believe that your god is happy with adherents whose actions cause atheists to be more convinced they're correct in their disbelief? Because that's demonstrably happening.

If you don't believe me, take a poll here. Ask if anyone is more likely to become a Christian after hearing you.

I told you. You are not the only ears listening in sir

And blessed those who take no offense in HIM

 

[miknik5]

I don't think you want to go down the "you were never a Christian" road. Because it really doesn't lead to a good conclusion for people who call themselves a Christian now...

So you still maintain I was never a Christian?

I told you. A Christian isn't some sort of action that we do FIRST to somehow convert ourselves, to sanctify ourselves, so that we consider ourselves "Christian"


It is what HE has done.

If THAT FOUNDATION isn't laid first (and that FOUNDATION is only laid by GOD) then all it is is an outward profession of what has never moved inwardly and therefore these "stones" are being built on a "temporal platform" that will eventually crumble and fall.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I told you. You are not the only ears listening in sir

And blessed those who take no offense in HIM

So even though everyone is saying you're doing more harm than good, and even though it's demonstrably true that you're doing harm by bolstering the case of all atheists, you're banking on hypothetical people listening in? People that conveniently aren't saying anything?

So are you denying that you at least could be doing more harm than good?

 

[miknik5]

no one can borrow "The Name" and yet claim they do not believe in His Saving Work

One can fool themselves and men
But not God who sees what is hidden

And if that inward profession and confession upon the heart of His Name is not there, God knows

 

[miknik5]

So even though everyone is saying you're doing more harm than good, and even though it's demonstrably true that you're doing harm by bolstering the case of all atheists, you're banking on hypothetical people listening in? People that conveniently aren't saying anything?

So are you denying that you at least could be doing more harm than good?

Would you like me to lie? Would you like me to offer flexible relative untruths so as to soothe and please "itchy ears"


I can't

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I told you. A Christian isn't some sort of action that we do FIRST to somehow convert ourselves, to sanctify ourselves, so that we consider ourselves "Christian"


It is what HE has done.

If THAT FOUNDATION isn't laid first (and that FOUNDATION is only laid by GOD) then all it is is lan outward profession of what has never moved inwardly and therefore these "stones" are being built on a "temporal platform" that will eventually crumble and fall.

Yes or no question:

Do you believe that someone who claimed to be a Christian and then deconverted wasn't a Christian to begin with?

 

[miknik5]

So even though everyone is saying you're doing more harm than good, and even though it's demonstrably true that you're doing harm by bolstering the case of all atheists, you're banking on hypothetical people listening in? People that conveniently aren't saying anything?

So are you denying that you at least could be doing more harm than good?

i deny it.
Yes

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Would you like me to lie? Would you like me to offer flexible relative untruths so as to soothe and please "itchy ears"

I can't

I want you answer the question. Another yes or no question.

Are you denying that you at least could be doing more harm than good?

 

[miknik5]

Yes or no question:

Do you believe that someone who claimed to be a Christian and then deconverted wasn't a Christian to begin with?

You sir are trying to trap me

Judge yourself on how you became HIS and why and when (and what was going on in your life) you "went out" and stopped from following HIM

 

[miknik5]

I want you answer the question. Another yes or no question.

Are you denying that you at least could be doing more harm than good?

I did already. And you "want" me to do something?

Who are you sir that I am somehow under your authority?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

i deny it.
Yes

Based on the idea that hypothetical people who aren't speaking up will hear this and be converted? And denying the first hand evidence that you're causing atheists to be more convinced they're correct?

And that doesn't sound odd to you?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

You sir are trying to trap me

Judge yourself on how you became HIS

I'm just asking a question. I'm not offended if you believe I was never was a Christian.

Are you not answering because the answer makes you uncomfortable?

Do you believe it's possible at all to be an actual Christian and then deconvert?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I did already. And you "want" me to do something?

Who are you sir that I am somehow under your authority?

"want" and "demand" aren't synonyms.

 

[miknik5]

Based on the idea that hypothetical people who aren't speaking up will hear this and be converted? And denying the first hand evidence that you're causing atheists to be more convinced they're correct?

And that doesn't sound odd to you?

Continue being the name you have claimed for yourself.
If I lied about GOD I have more to fear then you

But I haven't