The circular argument of God and miracles

[miknik5]

Were you trying to make a point?

Only to those who have ears to hear

 

[HitchSlap]

Only to those who have ears to hear

I have ears.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I have ears.

We all do. And we have brains that allow us to identify fallacious arguments. And we're well versed in Philosophy.

Well, the non-theists seem to be at least...

 

[DogmaHunter]

Ridiculous that those who claim to be atheists are willing to suggest Vishnu or other "gods" but not GOD

WOOSH. That's the sound of the point being made, going straight over your head.

That point, obviously, being that the "logic" you use in your arguments for your god, can be used word for word for any other gods, while the arguments itself (in terms of validity and soundness) remain the exact same.

In other words, what you "accept" in support of your particular religion, you wouldn't accept for any other subject.

Which exposed a dishonest double standard on your part. And for us, it just gives us a very good and rational reason to ignore whatever you have to say on the subject.

When someone's argumentation is obviously dishonest and fallacious, we can justifiably discard whatever argument and conclusion that someone is presenting.

So in conclusion, while you might think that you are "spreading the word of your god", all you are really doing is giving us even more reasons to remain atheists. What you are doing is about the best thing you could do to accomplish the very opposite of what you are trying to accomplish.

 

[miknik5]

WOOSH. That's the sound of the point being made, going straight over your head.

That point, obviously, being that the "logic" you use in your arguments for your god, can be used word for word for any other gods, while the arguments itself (in terms of validity and soundness) remain the exact same.

In other words, what you "accept" in support of your particular religion, you wouldn't accept for any other subject.

Which exposed a dishonest double standard on your part. And for us, it just gives us a very good and rational reason to ignore whatever you have to say on the subject.

When someone's argumentation is obviously dishonest and fallacious, we can justifiably discard whatever argument and conclusion that someone is presenting.

So in conclusion, while you might think that you are "spreading the word of your god", all you are really doing is giving us even more reasons to remain atheists. What you are doing is about the best thing you could do to accomplish the very opposite of what you are trying to accomplish.

If you say so

I have no power to do anything.

He who has ears to hear will hear. And in fact it is only God who can open the eyes and ears of the heart to the Truth of His Word

 

[ToddNotTodd]

If you say so

I have no power to do anything.

He who has ears to hear will hear. And in fact it is only God who can open the eyes and ears of the heart to the Truth of His Word

What we're saying is that the approach you're taking is doing demonstrable harm to the idea that non-theists are going to become Christians.

And now it appears as though you're saying that the content of your posts don't have anything to do with it because you "have no power to do anything" and the god you believe in does all the work.

Using that logic, a well reasoned argument has the same weight as saying "Believe in Jesus because bleep bloop bleep bloop."

I'm sorry, but I'm going to need to see some evidence that nonsense phrases are just as effective as actual arguments...

 

[HitchSlap]

And in fact it is only God who can open the eyes and ears of the heart to the Truth of His Word

Is this your definition of gullibility?

 

[miknik5]

What we're saying is that the approach you're taking is doing demonstrable harm to the idea that non-theists are going to become Christians.

And now it appears as though you're saying that the content of your posts don't have anything to do with it because you "have no power to do anything" and the god you believe in does all the work.

Using that logic, a well reasoned argument has the same weight as saying "Believe in Jesus because bleep bloop bleep bloop."

I'm sorry, but I'm going to need to see some evidence that nonsense phrases are just as effective as actual arguments...

That is exactly what I am saying. And if it is not enough for the witnesses telling you what to do, then get off the merry go round and do the work yourself

What I am telling you is that there is only One God and One Truth and it doesn't matter if one dies not accept that Truth.

It will not change The Truth from being The Truth regardless of how hard one fights against it

 

[HitchSlap]

That is exactly what I am saying.

Ok.

And if it is not enough for the witnesses telling you what to do,

People say the darndest' things.

then get off the merry go round and do the work yourself

Been there, done that. It's why I'm atheist.

What I am telling you is that there is only One God and One Truth and it doesn't matter if one dies not accept that Truth.

How do I know you're telling me the truth?

It will not change The Truth from being The Truth regardless of how hard one fights against it

My thoughts exactly!

 

[miknik5]

Ok.

People say the darndest' things.

Been there, done that. It's why I'm atheist.

How do I know you're telling me the truth?
My thoughts exactly!

Then there is nothing else that needs to be said. You will have to wait for "another Alice" to get on the merry go round

 

[HitchSlap]

Then there is nothing else that needs to be said. You will have to wait for "another Alice" to get on the merry go round

I agree. I will await such a time as you're willing to provide actual, independent objective evidence.
I won't hold my breath.

 

[miknik5]

I agree. I will await such a time as you're willing to provide actual, independent objective evidence.
I won't hold my breath.

No. It won't be from me. I told you "another alice". Will come


What you should do now is compare the stories to see if all the "Alice's stories" agree. Then you, "Bob" will need to decide to get off the merry go round and stop waiting for "another Alice"

Like I said. Do what the townspeople in John 4 did after they heard that very first "Alice" say "come come and see a man who told me everything I ever did"

 

[HitchSlap]

No. It won't be from me. I told you "another alice". Will come


What you should do now is compare the stories to see if all the "Alice's stories" agree. Then you, "Bob" will need to decide to get off the merry go round and stop waiting for "another Alice"

Like I said. Do what the townspeople in John 4 did after they heard that very first "Alice" say "come come and see a man who told me everything I ever did"

I think you should be the last person telling me how to evaluate evidence.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

That is exactly what I am saying. And if it is not enough for the witnesses telling you what to do, then get off the merry go round and do the work yourself

I've already told you I was a Christian for years and years. As were many of the atheists here.

What I am telling you is that there is only One God and One Truth and it doesn't matter if one dies not accept that Truth.

And what everyone else is telling you is that what you're telling us means nothing without a means of establishing if it's true or not. The same goes for any practitioner of any religion.

It will not change The Truth from being The Truth regardless of how hard one fights against it

You haven't shown that you have "The Truth" or even "THE TRUTH" (which must be even more true than "The Truth").

 

[miknik5]

What do you want me to say to you?

Is there something I must do?

I'm not understanding your demands?

Is there something I have kept from you?

What more do you need but THE TRUTH?

 

[miknik5]

The Truth is

CHRIST

Plus


nothing​

 

[bhsmte]

The Truth is

CHRIST

Plus


nothing​

Those are words on a page, supported by nothing but your opinion.

You can believe it though.

 

[DogmaHunter]

And in fact it is only God who can open the eyes and ears of the heart to the Truth of His Word

Then why are you even trying?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

The Truth is

CHRIST

Plus


nothing​

Or not...

 

[miknik5]

Those are words on a page, supported by nothing but your opinion.

Not anymore.