The circular argument of God and miracles

[miknik5]

Sorry, but my question is not answerable by pointing out religious claims in a bronze age book.

I'm asking you for ways to test the "hypothesis".
I'm not asking you to pile up even more unsubstantiated claims.

You don't test a claim, by adding more claims.


Test what and how?

I told you what to do.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Ridiculous And dishonest
You know what you were told to do.
Do the same thing as was told to Dogmahunter regarding the woman at the wells testimony

She was not testifying of Vishnu. I can assure you of that

Why is it ridiculous?

What's ridiculous is accepting a type of evidence for the god you want to believe in, and denying that same type of evidence for the gods you don't want to believe in. it's intellectually dishonest.

And I've read the Bible. Was a Christian for many many years. There's no good evidence in the Bible that there's a god. Or any other religious book.

Do you have any good evidence a god is even possible?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Sure he is.

Newsflash: when you say "I don't know", then you aren't proposing anything.

 

[DogmaHunter]

it is not a burden to her sir.

The burden of proof lies with the proposer of the positive claim.

When you claim that X is the cause of Y, then you have the burden of proof to support that claim.

No matter what kind of illogical / fallacious excuses you come with in an attempt to avoid your burden of proof.

The burden is in the one who stands in disbelief

No. When I claim that the great Juju at the bottom of the sea is the cause of the tides, then the burden is on me to show that claim to be accurate. It's not on you to show the opposite.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Ridiculous And dishonest

Indeed. The logic exhibited in such an "argument" is ridiculous and dishonest.

Too bad you don't seem to realise that that is exactly the "logic" you employ.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I told you what to do.

No, you just restated your claims.

I asked you how one can test those claims.
You didn't even begin to try and answer that.

 

[miknik5]

Why is it ridiculous?

What's ridiculous is accepting a type of evidence for the god you want to believe in, and denying that same type of evidence for the gods you don't want to believe in. it's intellectually dishonest.

And I've read the Bible. Was a Christian for many many years. There's no good evidence in the Bible that there's a god. Or any other religious book.

Do you have any good evidence a god is even possible?

Ridiculous that you didn't understand that there is only One God

And by His sending His Son into the world He shut up the mouths of every other lying whispering and distorting spirit who claims anything other than THE TRUTH

In fact this is how those born of His Spirit can discern the Spirit of God from the spirit of lies in the world

 

[miknik5]

No, you just restated your claims.

I asked you how one can test those claims.
You didn't even begin to try and answer that.

I am not flexible when it comes to the Truth of God

I can't suggest another way

 

[miknik5]

Indeed. The logic exhibited in such an "argument" is ridiculous and dishonest.

Too bad you don't seem to realise that that is exactly the "logic" you employ.

Ridiculous that those who claim to be atheists are willing to suggest Vishnu or other "gods" but not GOD

And imply that somehow those who hold to the Testimony of One God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ are the ones who are somehow confused

Please review Isaiah 8

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

No god for atheists. No answer either.

Exactly; God is neither a reasonable answer nor a reasonable explanation.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Do not put bitter for sweet, evil for good, darkness for light

And do not attribute these things to God

Another thing to remember is that many profess to have god(s) but deny THE SON

He who does not have THE SON does not have the FATHER who sent HIM

And there is only One who came to manifest the name and because HE came forth from God HE alone has all authority to show/reveal/manifest the FATHER

For no one knows THE FATHER but THE SON and those to whom THE SON chooses to reveal HIM

If one comes professing "another name" "another manifestation" of gpd, he does not belong to God nor does he know HIM

Take it up with juvenissun, he introduced Allah into the discussion (#488).

 

[miknik5]

Exactly; God is neither a reasonable answer nor a reasonable explanation.

Only to those who are "A" theists

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Only to those who are "A" theists

Very droll - well done <eye-roll smiley>

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Ridiculous that you didn't understand that there is only One God

And by His sending His Son into the world He shut up the mouths of every other lying whispering and distorting spirit who claims anything other than THE TRUTH

In fact this is how those born of His Spirit can discern the Spirit of God from the spirit of lies in the world

Or none of that is true, and some other religion is true.

I've yet to see evidence that it is true.

 

[Cearbhall]

Yeah. Ask that guy "How do you know you exist?"

That's self-defeating. I meet the criteria for knowing that I exist. Easy. However, someone else's claim of a being that exists does not meet my criteria. It would be up to them to prove its existence.

I would suggest talking to the guy who is walking on water.

Look at this lateral thinking over here!

 

[quatona]

wel there's your homework for the day

John 3
1 John 2
John 20

Sorry, but I´m pretty sure these verses don´t deal with the question how to talk to a dead person.
And you are mistaken in assuming that I have appointed you my teacher and it´s your job to give me homework.
Thirdly, I this post wasn´t directed at you.

 

[SteveB28]

Ridiculous that you didn't understand that there is only One God

And by His sending His Son into the world He shut up the mouths of every other lying whispering and distorting spirit who claims anything other than THE TRUTH

In fact this is how those born of His Spirit can discern the Spirit of God from the spirit of lies in the world

"Shut up the mouths"?

Strange, then, that majority of the planet are listening to a 'mouth' other than your god's?

Didn't do a very good job of shutting them up, did he?

 

[HitchSlap]

"Shut up the mouths"?

Strange, then, that majority of the planet are listening to a 'mouth' other than your god's?

Didn't do a very good job of shutting them up, did he?

I would think a 2016 job review might have him on probation, if not terminated.

 

[miknik5]

"Shut up the mouths"?

Strange, then, that majority of the planet are listening to a 'mouth' other than your god's?

Didn't do a very good job of shutting them up, did he?

I would think a 2016 job review might have him on probation, if not terminated.

i think a review of the story of Ahab and Michaiah are in order

Itchy ears are always willing to listen to any other mouths telling them what their itchy ears want to hear

 

[HitchSlap]

i think a review of the story of Ahab and Michaiah are in order

Itchy ears are always willing to listen to any other mouths telling them what their itchy ears want to hear

Were you trying to make a point?