The Book of Jasher

yeshuasavedme · Feb 7, 2011

Jasher helps me in learning the root meanings -and shadings- of Hebrew words, because the names of persons are many times explained in Jasher.
The two Hebrew words Ab, and Ram, were put together by Terah for naming his son because of his own position in Nimrod's army, for he was "dignified", by being raised up as a chief -ab/father, chief head... over Nimrod's forces.
52 Terah was seventy years old when he begat him, and Terah called the name of his son that was born to him Abram, because the king had raised him in those days, and dignified him above all his princes that were with him.

yeshuasavedme · Feb 7, 2011

Murjahel,
We can all read Jasher, and we all should if we care about history and want to be informed of the things mentioned in Torah and Tenach, but not explained in them. And when reading any of the writings, whether history or inspired, or just moral stories [like Tobit], we each one personally are responsible for the proper context, and must not take another's word or opinions on what it means as gospel truth without proving all things for ourselves.
That means my own or your own opinions must be examined in light of what is written, and compared with all Scripture.
You are writing tomes or pasting them, that I have somewhat to disagree with, as a reader and studier of Jasher and other writings myself. It would take tomes of my own to refute the points I do not agree with you about, and no one wants to read them, anyway, as they get boring.
I suggest that anyone reading this go read Jasher themselves, and compare it to the Tenach, Enoch, and other accepted writings.
Adikam was not born when Moses fled Egypt, and as to identifying Egyptian kings with names from history books which are much misapplied anyway, by historians, as to times, etc, in Jasher, that is just not provable with the information we do have inside and outside the record of Jasher.

In Jasher 58, The Pharaoh died who set Joseph on the throne, and Joseph ruled over Egypt as a father to Magron, the son of the deceased Pharaoh.
Joseph was 71 years old at that time, as chapter 58 states, and ruled Egypt -as chapter 59 states, for a total of eighty years, being 110 years old at death and having ruled since age 30.
Looks like Magron was Pharaoh after Joseph died, according to Jasher 59.

Then when Magron died, his son Malol [Meror] ruled for 94 years, in Jasher 63. Then Adikam reigned. So Adikam, Melol, Magron, and Joseph, for much of Pharaoh Magron's rule, and part of Magron's Pharaoh father's rule, was king of Egypt.
So we have only 3 Pharaoh's named as king's of Egypt, in Jasher, from Joseph to the Exodus. And one of them, Magron, was the Pharaoh over whom Joseph was as a father, and ruled Egypt in stead of.

65: 37 And the children of Israel called Melol the king of Egypt "Meror, king of Egypt," because in his days the Egyptians had embittered their lives with all manner of work.

Moses fled Egypt at age 18, and returned when he was 80. Melol/Meror was dead and his son Adikam/Ahuz reigned.
Adikam did not know Moses, as Moses was gone from Egypt for 62 years before he returned, and Adikam was 22 years old when Moses returned to Egypt as deliverer of Israel.

Jasher 77:1

Adikam was twenty years old when he reigned over Egypt, he reigned four years.
2

In the two hundred and sixth year of Israel's going down to Egypt did Adikam reign over Egypt, but he continued not so long in his reign over Egypt as his fathers had continued their reigns.
3

For Melol his father reigned ninety-four years in Egypt, but he was ten years sick and died, for he had been wicked before the Lord.

And all the wise men of Pharaoh called the name of Adikam Ahuz, for short is called Ahuz in the Egyptian language.

Jasher 77:
27

And Moses was confined in the dungeon in the house of Reuel for ten years.
28

And at the end of ten years which was the first year of the reign of Pharaoh over Egypt, in the place of his father,
In Jasher, we discover that Moses was 9 years in Kush, 40 years king there, 10 years in the dungeon at Ruel's estate, and married to Zipporah four years when he returned to Egypt at age 80. He married Zipporah the same year Adikam became king of Egypt in Melol's place.

77:27

And Moses was confined in the dungeon in the house of Reuel for ten years.
28

And at the end of ten years which was the first year of the reign of Pharaoh over Egypt, in the place of his father...[Moses was released from the dungeon and married Zipporah],

Jasher 79:5 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, return to Egypt, for all those men who sought thy life are dead, and thou shalt speak unto Pharaoh to send forth the children of Israel from his land.

murjahel · Feb 7, 2011

THE TEN PLAGUES,
as seen in Jasher

ONE - WATER TURNED INTO BLOOD

The Nile River was considered a god by the Egyptians. To turn it to blood was an insult to the river as a god... To turn it to blood, so quickly and so suddenly, must have frightened them... Life in Egypt revolves about the Nile River.

Jasher 80:3-5 tells us that even the water in the pitchers and cups of Egypt turned into blood, and the food, dough, etc. into which the water had been put, appeared as blood.

TWO - FROGS

The Egyptians had a frog god named Heka (or Heket). Some frogs were always about the Nile, but suddenly, there were a multitude... They infested everything... including their homes and food supplies.

Jasher 80:6-8 tells us that the water of Egypt, in river, in pitcher, in even the water of the perspiration of the Egyptians, there were the "tadpoles" of the frogs growing...

THREE - LICE

According to some, lice polluted the temple, so the plague of lice was an insult to the temple of gods. Another interpretation is that Seth was the god of earth to the Egyptians, and this plague insulted him by polluting the earth. Out of the dust came these lice (or mosquitoes, or gnats). So terrible was this that even the Egyptian magicians were convinced it was from God.
Jasher 80:10-11 tells us the lice were so numerous that the lice came to the height of two cubits (36 inches) in Egypt.

FOUR - FLIES

The gadfly is the sacred beetle of Egypt, so this was an insult to the god Khepra. They afflicted man and beast, but Israel was immune to this plague.

Jasher 80:13-22 tells us that this plague was not simply flies... in fact the word "flies" is not in the Hebrew, but an interpretation added by the translators... The literal reading says "swarms" but does not identify "swarms" of what... It was fiery serpents, scorpions, mice, weasels, toads, and other creeping bugs of the dust... It included flies, hornets, bugs, gnats, reptiles, and winged animals... These all probably bred quickly with the immense food of the lice of the previous plague.

Psalms 78:45 says that:

"He sent divers sorts of flies (swarms) among them..."

The Egyptians fled and locked themselves in their homes from the plague. God sent a sea monster called Salanuth (the one who draws out and make shake and quiver) that had long arms, fifteen feet long, to go upon the roofs of the Egyptians and uncover their protection. The swarms of animals and pests came freely into their homes thereby.

FIVE - MURRAIN, AN EPIDEMIC AMONG THE LIVESTOCK

The cattle (esp. the horses) were sacred to the Egyptians. Cattle were especially venerated. Cattle were worshipped. Israel was exempted from this plague. The calf was the chief god of the Egyptians, and this was an insult to that god of the Egyptians.

Jasher 80:24-26 tells us that 90 per cent of the cattle belonging to the Egyptians died, but not one of the cattle belonging to the Israeli people died.

SIX - BOILS

Murrain was only on the beasts, but this was on man as well. Ashes were used by the priests to bless the people. This curse turned a blessing into a curse. Others associate this plague with Neit, the great mother of heaven to the Egyptians.

Jasher 80:27-28 tells us that the skin burst with this curse, caused great itching, and made their flesh waste away, and become rotten and putrid.
It had been six months since the first plague, and each plague grows in intensity...

SEVEN - HAIL

Isis and Serapis were the gods of fire and water. Yet they could not protect the Egyptians from the hail... There was a merciful warning given to the believing Egyptians to save their cattle from this plague... In this day, when the nations of the world are experiencing periodic plagues from God, and when the church itself is being plagued by God for its sins, there are warnings sent by the mouths of God's prophets... Most are unheeded, unfortunately!

The word translated "hail" is the Hebrew word "barad" and is usually translated "meteorites..." This explains the fire mentioned with the hail... It was not ordinary hail, but a rain of fiery meteorites...

Jasher 80:30-32 tells us that the hail ("barad") was mingled with fire, and the destruction of the heavy hail, and the fire consumed and destroyed fruit trees, green herbs, and killed man and beast ...

There were sounds of "thunder" (Hebrew = "kolot", meaning "loud noises") with the fall of hail. These loud noises were the explosions of the falling meteorites. The "hail" in Exodus 9:23 is a different word, from the Hebrew "naptha" meaning "oil." The oxygen of the atmosphere when it mixes with the hydrogen and carbon of a comet tail can produce an oil like mixture that can explode, burn, and cause great destruction. This plague seems to describe a comet tail passing by the earth, and causing great devastation on just the property of the Egyptians.

EIGHT - LOCUSTS

The gods of Egypt were to protect Egypt from locusts, and could not. In a vast cloud, they came and covered the earth to a depth of 4 to 5 inches... The threat of it caused the Pharaoh' officials to beg.

Jasher 80:33-35 tells us that the four stages of locust (as also mentioned in Joel 1 and 2 are all present and destructive in Egypt at this time.

The Bible indicates that there had never been a locust plague as bad as this one. (Exodus 10:14-15)

NINE - DARKNESS

The darkness was aimed at Ra, the sun god of the Egyptians. And it was against the Egyptian god, Set, the evil one who claimed to be able to cause darkness... There were three days of darkness. According to Jasher, and other ancient Hebrew writings, the darkness was with substance, and the light of lamps, and candles could not penetrate it. It became so dark that one could not see the person standing next to him.... Pharaoh yielded, but hardened himself again later.

Jasher 80:36-40 tells us that it was so thick a darkness on the Egyptians, that they could not move... nor see to even rise out of bed... Many died due to the darkness.

TEN - DEATH OF THE FIRSTBORN

The Pharaoh was considered divine, so the tenth plague was against the divine heir to the throne. Nearly a year after the plagues started, this plague finally brought the nation of Egypt to its knees.

In that culture, and in many others, the firstborn was the "primogeniture" meaning the chief heir of a man, to his property, his name, and his rights... The eldest son was therefore the most important of the children. To strike down the firstborn was a great tragedy to each family... The plagues each intensified, and if the nation of Egypt had not yielded here... can you imagine the eleventh or twelfth plague?!?! This last plague struck at midnight. Midnight was (to the Egyptians) the time the gods fought. God demonstrated to them that Jehovah had conquered all the gods of the Egyptians...

Exodus 12:12

"...against all the gods of Egypt,
I will execute judgment. I am the Lord..."

The heir to the Egyptian throne was called "erpa suten sa"` which meant that he was the hereditary crown prince. Upon his ascension to the throne, he was to be "deity."

To strike him dead, meant the death of the divine heir apparent - a blow to the religion of Egypt. If Pharaoh had further resisted, God would have probably taken his life in an eleventh plague. The reason all the firstborn of all Egypt had been killed, was that all Egypt had joined in the enslavement of Israel.

Jasher 80:43-48 tells us that even the firstborn who had died earlier than the judgment of the tenth plague, were dug up by dogs that night and their bones dragged before the Egyptians...

The signs and wonders enhanced the position of the prophet, Moses. By the tenth plague, Moses' stature, and the stature of the Hebrew people for whom he interceded were changed.

murjahel · Feb 7, 2011

In chapter 75 of Jasher,
we see the story of the Ephraimites
who thought the period of time
of being captives in Egypt was ended.

They followed a prophetic hope
that they could now flee Egypt,
and escape to the promised land.

They had faith in their errant teaching...

They armed themselves,
and sincerely thought God would
validate their actions with miracles,
and thus deliver them.

In our times, as in many times before,
there have been false date setting,
false hopes of the rapture,
false teachings of the consummation of events...

Many have sincerely hoped such dates were right...

Jasher 75:17
says that they
"transgressed the word of the Lord
in going forth from Egypt,
before the period had arrived
which the Lord in the days of old
had appointed to Israel..."

This shows that they had mis-interpreted, misread,
and miscalculated the true prophecy of God.

Genesis 15:13 tells us:
"And He said unto Abram,
Know of a surety,
that thy seed shall be a stranger
in a land that is not theirs,
and shall serve them;
and they shall afflict them four hundred years..."

They knew this meant from Abram's time then, in four hundred years...
the children of Israel would be finally delivered.

They tried to calculate the time...
and thought from the time of Abram entering the Promised land,
until now was 400 years ago...
or 180 since coming into Egypt...

They had not calculated that this was said to Abram,
30 years after his first entering into the land...

So they were 30 years off...

This was the 180th year of captivity (Jasher 75:1)...
and God did not deliver them
until the 210th year of captivity
(see Jasher 81:4
"at the end of two hundred and ten years,
the Lord brought forth the children of Israel...")

From the entering of the Promised land by Abram,
until the exiting from Egypt was exactly 430 years...

Exodus 12:41
"And it came to pass at the end
of the four hundred and thirty years,
even the selfsame day
(as the entering into the land on the 15th of Nisan,
as shown in Genesis 15:13- 18)
it came to pass,
that all the hosts of the Lord went
out from the land of Egypt."

God was not one day late in His deliverance,
as He had prophesied ...

Mankind had miscalculated the years...
and missed the 30 before the promise given to Abram....

Such kind of miscalculations are being made
regularly by many in these last days as they try to
calculate the coming of Jesus,
and the time of the rapture...

In figuring who, when, etc in Jasher,
we need to be very careful...
Miscalculations are very easy...
then as now...

LOL

murjahel · Feb 7, 2011

I worked hard studying this book of Jasher...
researched and wrote a book on it,
hope it does not offend many of you,
if I cut and paste some here from it...

this may interest some of you on the 120 years of Moses
as shown in Jasher

Jasher 71:9-10
9. "And Pharaoh heard of this affair, and he ordered Moses to be slain, so God sent his angel, and he appeared unto Pharaoh in the likeness of a captain of the guard.

10. And the angel of the Lord took the sword from the
hand of the captain of the guard, and took his head off with it, for the likeness of the captain of the guard was turned into the likeness of Moses."

Moses had made an attempt to be the deliverer of the Hebrews, but found sarcastic rejection amidst the fighting two Hebrews, and persecution and threats from the Pharaoh.

Now God leads Moses away... Moses was wrong in the murder of the Egyptian, and his attempt to do it his way failed... God's will must be done in God's way, and in God's time...

Moses found the king of Cush, Kikianus, besieging his own town, to which Balaam had fled. While the king was away on a conquest, Balaam deceived the people into making him their new king... For nine years, Moses helps this king try to take back his kingdom.

Finally, the king dies, and the people make Moses their new king. For forty years, Moses ruled this nation of Cush... after deposing Balaam.

The timing of the Bible accounts, and the accounts of Jasher seem to differ greatly.

According to Acts 7:23-30 seem to say that Moses did the deed of murder when forty years old...
And yet Jasher says he did it at 18...

Jasher tells us that Moses fled Egypt at 18 and spent 9 years in the camp of Kikianus, king of Cush.

Jasher 72:22-23
22. "And Moses was eighteen years old when he fled from Egypt from the presence of Pharaoh, and he fled and escaped to the camp of Kikianus, which at that time was besieging Cush.

23. And Moses was nine years in the camp of Kikianus king of Cush, all the time that they were besieging Cush, and Moses went out and came in with them."

Then he ruled Cush for 40 years,
and finally went to Midian.
There, Reul (Jethro) imprisoned him for ten years.

Jasher 76:23, 77:27
23. "And they took and put him into the prison house, and Moses was in prison ten years, and whilst Moses was in the prison house, Zipporah the daughter of Reuel took pity over him, and supported him with bread and water all the time.

27. And Moses was confined in the dungeon in the house of Reuel for ten years.

And finally, Zipporah secured his release.

This would make him about 76- or 77 years old.

Several years later, at age 80, the Hebrew people were delivered from Egypt.
We know that Moses died at 120 years (Deuteronomy 31:2),
and that two great events occurred at age 40 and 80...

At age 40 he came to "visit" his brethren in Egypt...
and slew the Egyptian... (Acts 7:23-28).

To harmonize the two stories, it is not difficult.

At age 40, Moses was ruling Cush, and his "visit" to his brethren would have been in the thirteenth year of that reign...
He probably had desires to return, be accepted by his people, and deliver his people...

God allowed events to occur very similar to what happened to him when he was 18...
Egyptians were still physically beating the Hebrews, and again Moses in anger kills an Egyptian...

Again, two days later, just as before, the Hebrews show contempt, sarcasm, and rejection for Moses attempt to help them...

Moses fled again at the rejection (Acts 7:29).
He returned to Cush, and later ended up in Midian.

The harmonization is similar to the way we harmonize the timing of Jesus casting out the moneychangers... and the way we harmonize the different events transpiring at the tomb following the resurrection.

As terrible as the sins of Moses were, and since there were likely two such murders of Egyptians...
Moses still had not lost the concept of being the deliverer of the Hebrews...
We may know what God eventually wants to do with us...
but we must await God's timing.

We may be impatient, and hasten to effect God's plan... Jacob tried to deceive Isaac and receive the birthright his way, but it cost him greatly...

Moses here attempted twice to begin God's plan of deliverance... but God demands we do it His way, and in His timing.

Forty years after the second murder, God finally delivers the Hebrews (Acts 7:30).

The
big three events in the plan shown are the second killing of an Egyptian (age 40),
and the deliverance of the Hebrews (at age 80),
and his final departure from this earth, his own deliverance into the presence of God, at age 120 (Deuteronomy 31:2).

Jasher shows us the details of the years surrounding these events...

murjahel · Feb 8, 2011

The Book of Jasher is a valuable
history book, and by study of it,
the serious Bible student, that
would like to know more details
of the early events of the Adamic
creation, can find out now,
instead of waiting till heaven...

it is a wonderful read...
a 'can't put down till finished' kind
of book

murjahel · Feb 8, 2011

Jasher gives some interesting
facts about Enoch...

There are some interesting facts told to us about Enoch in the book of Jasher.

First, Enoch was one who loved to secret himself away and fellowship with the Lord.

Jasher 3:2-5
2.And the soul of Enoch was wrapped up in the instruction of the Lord, in knowledge and in understanding; and he wisely retired from the sons of men, and secreted himself from them for many days.
3. And it was at the expiration of many years, whist he was serving the Lord, and praying before him in his house, that an angel of the Lord called to him from Heaven, and he said, Here am I.
4. And he said, Rise, go forth from thy house and from the place where thou dost hide thyself, and appear to the sons of men, in order that thou mayst teach them the way in which they should go and the work which they must accomplish to enter in the ways of God.
5. And Enoch rose up according to the word of the Lord, and went forth from his house, from his place and from the chamber in which he was concealed; and he went to the sons of men and taught them the ways of the Lord, and at that time assembled the sons of men and acquainted them with the instruction of the Lord.

Enoch learned much from the Lord in these times of prayer and fellowship.
That is why Jude could record that this Enoch, only the seventh generation from Adam,
already knew and preached about the coming of the Lord.

Many saints today, with the churches, Sunday Schools, and Bibles...
do not know much about the coming of Jesus...
But Enoch did...
without a Bible, without a church.

Enoch is a shining example of the kind of godly person the Lord desires each of us to be. Genesis, and the Bible as a whole, show the importance of this personage. Jasher also tells us much about him.

The book of Nicodemus,
and the writings of Barnabas
in the early church
reiterate his importance in the plan of God. The early church often spoke about him and the revelations within his book.

Yet, the church of the last days, has for the most part ignored this wealth of teaching on this great man of God.
　
　
Enoch was present at the funeral for Adam. Jasher tells us about it.
　
Jasher 3:14-18
14. And it was in the fifty-sixth year of the life of Lamech when Adam died; nine hundred and thirty years old was he at his death, and his two sons, with Enoch and Methuselah his son, buried him with great pomp, as at the burial of kings, in a cave which God had told him.
15. And in that place all the sons of men made a great mourning and weeping on account of Adam; it has therefore become a custom among the sons of men to this day.
16. And Adam died because he ate of the tree of knowledge; he and his children after him, as the Lord God had spoken.
17. And it was in the year of Adam's death which was the two hundred and forty third year of the reign of Enoch, in that time Enoch resolved to separate himself from the sons of men and to secrete himself as at first in order to serve the Lord.
18. And Enoch did so, but did not entirely secrete himself from them, but kept away from the sons of men three days and then went to them for one day.
　
　
Thus Adam was buried in a cave.
Tradition tells us that this cave is located on Mt. Hermon, a 9000 foot mountain in northern Israel.
This is the same mountain that Jesus ascended and there talked with Moses and Elijah.
The mountain is snow covered most of the time, and the cave is likely still inaccessible...
Perhaps someday soon, the cave will be located.
In the cold of the mountain top, much could be preserved of the things put into this cave from millennia ago.

The Bible, and the book of Enoch, tell us that Enoch was raptured,
but Jasher
adds some interesting detail to the event.
　
　
Jasher 3:36-38
36...it was upon the seventh day that Enoch ascended into heaven in a whirlwind, with horses and chariots of fire.
37. And on the eighth day all the kings that had been with Enoch sent to bring back the number of men that were with Enoch, in that place from which he ascended into heaven.
38. And all those kings went to the place and they found the earth there filled with snow, and upon the snow were large stones of snow, and one said to the other, Come, let us break through the snow, and see, perhaps the men that remained with Enoch are dead, and are now under the stones of snow, and they searched but could not find him, for he had ascended into heaven.
　
Enoch was a type of the church, who is to be raptured before the great tribulation.
Just as Enoch was raptured before the flood of Noah's day...
we are to be raptured before the wrath of God in the tribulation.
But, Enoch was translated without dying,
so he, and Elijah who was translated similarly,
could come back in the tribulation,
as the two witnesses,
minister for three and a half years,
die, and then be resurrected...

They have had a long wait,
but are dwelling with the angels,
ready, willing... and able to do their
work...

yeshuasavedme · Feb 8, 2011

murjahel said:
　
Enoch was a type of the church, who is to be raptured before the great tribulation.

Yes, his rapture and translation to the body of glory was a type of the Church, who will be translated in body at the time of the rapture, without dying in the flesh.

murjahel · Feb 8, 2011

I Corinthians 15:22-23
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christs at his coming.

We all await a 'resurrection' or a 'rapture'...
those alive to be taken are 'raptured'...
and Christ is said here to be the 'firstfruits' of that
kind of rapture...

Enoch and Elijah are not the 'firstfruits...' but
were raptured alive, not 'changed in the moment,
in the twinkling of an eye' into
a new eternal body...

no...
rather Enoch and Elijah have the human body

yet...
and can come back to 'die'...
and be 'resurrected after
three and a half days,
as the Book of Revelation says...

so... Christ is the 'firstfruits' of that resurrection,
His resurrected body was transformed...
no longer mortal, but immortal...

our raptured bodies will be eternal too,
for Christ Jesus has secured for us
that kind of rapture...

the mortal bodies of Enoch and Elijah
were taken to heaven,
to dwell with the angels,
to return later, as Enoch tells us...
and then finally die, and be resurrected...

no eternal body yet given
to Enoch and Elijah...

yeshuasavedme · Feb 9, 2011

murjahel said:
I Corinthians 15:22-23
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

no eternal body yet given
to Enoch

37;4 Till the present day such wisdom has never been given by the Lord of Spirits as I have received according to my insight, according to the good pleasure of the Lord of Spirits by whom the lot of eternal life has been given to me.

Everyone born in Adam is dead in spirit, and the body is dead because of sin.
Everyone born in Christ is alive in the Spirit of regeneration.
Enoch is made alive in regeneration of spirit, and is in his eternal body, dwelling in the City of God, with the Watchers.

The Jasher record says Enoch is ruling the Watchers in Eden, there.

Enoch has his inheritance in Eden, where Adam got cast out of at the fall, and Enoch has been given eternal life, and is in Eden, there, in his translated body. Enoch said so.

murjahel · Feb 9, 2011

Jasher explains much about Enoch,
and we find the Bible says much too...
as far as Enoch's state of rapture, let me say that
he is still alive, taken to heaven alive... has eternal life...
and I have had eternal life given to me,
but I am still in a mortal body too...

all saints are given 'eternal life' at salvation..
our bodies await a transformation we
call the 'resurrection' or the 'rapture'
to get our bodies transformed into the eternal form...

Surely, Enoch was given eternal life...
that does not translate to being made
immortal in body...
he still lives, in a human body,
kept alive by God, but able to die...
and after it dies, during the tribulation,
three and a half days later it is
resurrected into his new immortal body...

We have the same promise
from God...
'the wages of sin is death,
but the gift of God is eternal life...'

I've got that now...
but my human body is not yet changed into its eternal form..

as Romans 8 tells us...
we are 'waiting for the adoption,
to wit, the redemption of the body...'

My soul and spirit are eternal...
my body is in the process of becoming eternal,
waiting only for the resurrection or rapture to comlete the process...

The rapture of Enoch as shown in Jasher,
(and in Enoch, and in the Bible)
is a translation of a human body to heaven...
as with Elijah's...

Enoch, Elijah, and all of us children of God,
await another resurrection, rapture event,
one that had to wait till after Jesus became the 'firstfruits' of
that ...
and it should be SOON.

Ajax 777 · Feb 9, 2011

How do all of you feel about Jasher's account of the death of Sarah?

We see satan doing many dastardly things all throughout Scripture;
but how do you personally feel about his murder of Sarah,
Abraham's devoted wife and Isaac's loving mother,
as retaliation for their pleasing sacrifice and faith in GOD?

For Murjahel:

How do all of you feel about Jasher's
account of the death of Sarah?

We see satan doing many dastardly things
all throughout Scripture;
but how do you personally feel about
his murder of Sarah,
Abraham's devoted wife and
Isaac's loving mother,
as retaliation for their pleasing
sacrifice and faith in GOD?

yeshuasavedme · Feb 9, 2011

Ajax 777 said:
How do all of you feel about Jasher's account of the death of Sarah?

We see satan doing many dastardly things all throughout Scripture;
but how do you personally feel about his murder of Sarah,
Abraham's devoted wife and Isaac's loving mother,
as retaliation for their pleasing sacrifice and faith in GOD?

Well, she died happy!
"...and when she heard the word her joy was so exceedingly violent on account of her son, that her soul went out through joy; she died and was gathered to her people."

yeshuasavedme · Feb 10, 2011

murjahel said:
all saints are given 'eternal life' at salvation..

Salvation is the name of "Jesus", and that is what He came to be and do for His own. Saints had the promise of Abra-HAm -of "LIFE- only, before the cross, except for Enoch, who was translated in spirit/adopted as the firstborn son [regenerated in spirit and in body -translated in body] of Christ, before Christ was come in flesh to fulfill the Atonement in fact -which Atonement was "a done deal" from "the foundation of the world"
Abraham who was redeemed, and who received the promise of Life by faith, waited in Sheol below after his physical death, because he had the promise, only, of eternal Life by regeneration of Spirit.

Not so with Enoch, who got the life, both in spiritual regeneration and in bodily transformation, and went to dwell in his own inheritance/portion of his inheritance, in Eden, forever.

Isa 29:22 Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale.
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

al 3:18 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.

Luke 16 shows Abraham in Sheol below, not in Eden above, in the City of God, before the Cross. Abraham is in Sheol, before the cross, in the place separated for the righteous to await the Atonement, just as Enoch saw and wrote of.

But Enoch is in his inheritance, in Eden, transformed in spirit and in body.
39:8There I wished to dwell,
And my spirit longed for that dwelling-place:And there heretofore hath been my portion,
For so has it been established concerning me before the Lord of Spirits.

murjahel · Feb 10, 2011

Ajax 777 said:
For Murjahel:

How do all of you feel about Jasher's
account of the death of Sarah?

Jasher 23:60. And he took his son, Isaac, and bound him in order to place him upon the wood which was upon the altar, to slay him for a burnt offering before the Lord.
61. And Isaac said to his father, Bind me securely and then place me upon the altar lest I should turn and move, and break loose from the force of the knife upon my flesh and thereby profane the burnt offering; and Abraham did so.
62. And Isaac still said to his father, O my father, when thou shalt have slain me, and burnt me for an offering, take with thee that which shall remain of my ashes to bring to Sarah, my mother, and say unto her, This is the sweet smelling savor of Isaac; but do not tell her this if she should sit near a well or upon any high place, lest she should cast her soul after me and die.
63. And Abraham heard the words of Isaac, and he lifted up his voice and wept when Isaac spake these words; and Abraham's tears gushed down upon Isaac his son, and Isaac wept bitterly, and he said to his father, Hasten thou, O my father, and do with me the will of the Lord our God as He has commanded thee.
64.And the hearts of Abraham and Isaac rejoiced at this thing which the Lord had commanded them; but the eye wept bitterly whilst the heart rejoiced.
65. And Abraham bound his son Isaac, and placed him on the altar upon the wood, and Isaac stretched forth his hand to take the knife to slay his son as a burnt offering before the Lord.
66. At that time the angels of mercy came before the Lord and spake to him concerning Isaac, saying,
67. O Lord, Thou art a merciful and compassionate King over all that Thou hast created in heaven and in earth, and Thou supportest them all; give therefore ransom and redemption instead of thy servant Isaac, and pity and have compassion upon Abraham and Isaac his son, who are this day performing Thy commands.
68. Hast Thou seen, O Lord, how Isaac, the son of Abraham, Thy servant is bound down to the slaughter like an animal? Now therefore let Thy pity be roused for them, O Lord.
69. At that time the Lord appeared unto Abraham, and called to him, from heaven, and said unto him, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him, for now I know that thou fearest God in performing this act, and in not withholding thy son, thine only son, from me.
70. And Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw, and behold, a ram which the Lord God had created in the earth in the day that He made earth and heaven.
71. For the Lord had prepared this ram for that day, to be a burnt offering instead of Isaac.
72. And this ram was advancing to Abraham when Satan caught hold of him and entangled his horns in the thicket, that he might not advance to Abraham, in order that Abraham might slay his son.
　
73. And Abraham, seeing the ram advancing to him and Satan withholding him, fetched him and brought him before the altar, and he loosened his son, Isaac, from his binding, and he put the ram in his stead, and Abraham killed the ram upon the altar, and brought it up as an offering in the place of his son, Isaac.
74. And Abraham sprinkled some of the blood of the ram upon the altar, and he exclaimed and said, This is in the place of my son, and may this be considered this day as the blood of my son before the Lord.
75. And all that Abraham did on this occasion by the altar, he would exclaim and say, This is in the room of my son, and may it this day be considered before the Lord in the place of my son; and Abraham finished the whole of the service by the altar, and the service was accepted before the Lord, and was accounted as if it had been Isaac; and the Lord blessed Abraham and his seed on that day.
　
76. And Satan went to Sarah, and he appeared to her in the figure of an old man very humble and meek, and Abraham was yet engaged in the burnt offering before the Lord.
　
77. And he said unto her, Dost thou not know all the work that Abraham has made with thine only son this day? for he took Isaac and built an altar, and killed him, and brought him up as a sacrifice upon the altar, and Isaac cried and wept before his father, but he looked not at him, neither did he have compassion over him.
　
78. And Satan repeated these words, and he went away from her, and Sarah heard all the words of Satan, and she imagined him to be an old man from amongst the sons of men who had been with her son, and had come and told her these things.
　
79. And Sarah lifted up her voice and wept and cried out bitterly on account of her son; and she threw herself upon the ground and she cast dust upon her head, and she said, O my son, Isaac my son, O that I had this day died instead of thee, and she continued to weep and said, It grieves me for thee, O my son, my son Isaac, O that I had died this day in thy stead.
　
80. And she still continued to weep, and said, It grieves me for thee after that I have reared thee and have brought thee up; now my joy is turned into mourning over thee, I that had a longing for thee, and cried and prayed to God till I bare thee at ninety years old; and now has thou served this day for the knife and the fire, to be made an offering.
　
81. But I console myself with thee, my son, in its being the word of the Lord, for thou didst perform the command of thy God; for who can transgress the word of our God, in whose hands is the soul of every living creature?
　
82. But art just, O Lord our God, for all Thy works are good and righteous; for I also am rejoiced with Thy word which Thou didst command, and whilst mine eye weepeth bitterly, my heart rejoiceth.
　
83. And Sarah laid her head upon the bosom of one of her handmaids, and she became as still as stone.
　
84. She afterward rose up and went about making inquiries till she came to Hebron, and she inquired of all those whom she met walking in the road, and no one could tell her what had happened to her son.
　
85. And she came with her maid servants and men servants to Kireath Arba, which is Hebron, and she asked concerning her son, and she remained there while she sent some of her servants to seek where Abraham had gone with Isaac; they went to seek him in the house of Shem and Eber, and they could not find him, and they sought throughout the land and he was not there.
　
86. And Behold, Satan came to Sarah in the shape of an old man, and he came and stood before her, and he said unto her, I spoke falsely unto thee, for Abraham did not kill his son, and he is not dead; and when she had heard the word, her joy was exceedingly violent on account of her son, that her soul went out through joy; she died and was gathered to her people.
　
87. And when Abraham had finished his service he returned with his son, Isaac to his young men, and they rose up and went together to Beersheba, and they came home.
　
88. And Abraham sought for Sarah, and could not find her, and he made inquiries concerning her, and they said unto him, She went as far as Hebron to seek you both where you had gone, for thus was she informed.
　
89. And Abraham and Isaac went to her to Hebron, and when they found that she was dead they lifted up their voices and wept bitterly over her; and Isaac fell upon his mother's face and wept over her, and he said, O my mother, my mother, how has thou left me, and where hast thou gone? O how, how hast thou left me!
　
90. And Abraham and Isaac wept greatly and all their servants wept with them on account of Sarah, and they mourned over her a great and heavy mourning.

The devil had appeared to Abraham and Isaac
along their way to the sacrifice... and tried
to dissuade them...
finally here, he came to Sarah and
lied to her...
The devil is the 'father of lies'...
and speaks lies to hurt...
we have all seen him work against our souls,
we see him work through any he can make
lie or believe a lie...
this great stress on a woman that is 127 years
old was horrible...
and after a wearying trip, he again comes,
sparks what seems now to be truth,
but intended, I am sure, to bring great
emotion, and the trip, the fear, the new news,
etc all cause her body to give out, and she dies...

she died happy?
yes... but it was a stressful event,
one meant by the devil to kill her...
to hurt Abraham and Isaac...

when we do the will of God,
the devil will seek to hurt us...
we need to stand strong in the Lord..

Abraham and Isaac confronted satan
too.. and Abraham resisted,
Sarah should have done likewise...

28. And Abraham heard this and knew that it was the word of Satan, who endeavored to draw him aside from the way of the Lord, but Abraham would not hearken to the voice of Satan, and Abraham rebuked him so that he went away.

satan approached Isaac, tried to scare him, but Abraham, when he heard what satan had said to Isaac, answered...

33. And Abraham answered his son, Isaac, and said to him, Take heed of him, and do not listen to his words, nor attend to him, for he is Satan, endeavoring to draw us aside this day from the commands of God.
　
34. And Abraham still rebuked Satan, and Satan went from them, and seeing he could not prevail over them

after trying again to scare Abraham and Isaac, Abraham rebuked satan...

39. And Satan was terrified at the voice of Abraham, and he went away from them,

we need to follow Abraham's example..
to believe satan, as Sarah initially did,
and to let fear and torment build,
we find the torment, and emotion of
fear can be overwhelming...

we should 'resist the devil, and he will flee'

Ajax 777 · Feb 10, 2011

I agree.

Well said, Murjahel!

yeshuasavedme · Feb 12, 2011

Jasher also correlates with Enoch and the Tenach and NT, in that the earth is fixed in place, and the sun, moon, and stars revolve around the earth on their own peculiar courses in the heavens. The heavens also revolve around the earth daily, in the language of Genesis and Enoch.
When Joshua needed more time to fight a crucial battle, he commanded the sun and moon to stand still. They did, for a whole day. -did the stars also stay still? Did the heavens stay still? did time stop being measured for one day?

At any rate: the sun and moon stood still and did not "go down" for a whole day.

And the Lord confounded them before the children at Israel, who smote them with a terrible slaughter in Gibeon, and pursued them along the way that goes up to Beth Horon unto Makkedah, and they fled from before the children of Israel.
61

And whilst they were fleeing, the Lord sent upon them hailstones from heaven, and more of them died by the hailstones, than by the slaughter of the children of Israel.
62

And the children of Israel pursued them, and they still smote them in the road, going on and smiting them.
63

And when they were smiting, the day was declining toward evening, and Joshua said in the sight of all the people, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon, and thou moon in the valley of Ajalon, until the nation shall have revenged itself upon its enemies.
64

And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Joshua, and the sun stood still in the midst of the heavens, and it stood still six and thirty moments, and the moon also stood still and hastened not to go down a whole day.
65

And there was no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened to the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel.

Genesis agrees with this account. The original language says the same as Jasher in that the sun and moon did not go down for a whole day.

brinny · Nov 5, 2011

yeshuasavedme said:
For me, Jasher fills in all the points that I always wondered about, which were left hanging, like in a void, in the historical account in the Torah, of the lives of the Patriarchs.
Also, it tells the prophecy of Abel which made Abel a prophet -as Jesus said he was- and that prophecy, too, was about Jesus; who was YHWH the Word, who was to come in flesh, to be the avenger of blood who brings justice to the earth as second "ish" creation, the Kinsman to Adam, who has the legal authority, the power, and the will, as Kinsman, to avenge the blood of the slain in Adam.

Cain feared Abel's prophecy after he killed Abel, when the LORD called him to account for it, but Cain was not understanding the time frame of its fulfillment himself, and so YHWH gave Cain a token/a sign of promise that he would not be slain by the Kinsman-avenger -of blood.

Miriam was a prophetess, states Exodus, but Jasher tells the content of her prophetic utterance, which prophesied Moses/ birth, and that he was to be the deliverer of Israel from the bondage to Egypt. We also are left hanging as to why the babies in Israel were no longer drowned after Moses, but in Jasher we learn it was because of the Egyptian princess adopting Moses.
In the NT, we read that Moses supposed they would know that he was the deliverer, when he killed the Egyptian taskmaster abusing his people, but that is left out of the Torah account.

In Jasher, we also learn who the Ethiopian woman was whom Moses married, and we learn that it was a political marriage of convenience, only. We learn all the details about Moses so much, that I believe that Moses wrote Jasher, as a true record, which he redacted for the Torah account, and that Joshua finished it.

You should be getting "filled in" by the Bible as taught and revealed by the Holy Spirit.

brinny · Nov 5, 2011

yeshuasavedme said:
Well, she died happy!
"...and when she heard the word her joy was so exceedingly violent on account of her son, that her soul went out through joy; she died and was gathered to her people."

what does that mean that she was "gathered to her people"?

brinny · Nov 5, 2011

yeshuasavedme said:
Jasher also correlates with Enoch and the Tenach and NT, in that the earth is fixed in place, and the sun, moon, and stars revolve around the earth on their own peculiar courses in the heavens. The heavens also revolve around the earth daily, in the language of Genesis and Enoch.
When Joshua needed more time to fight a crucial battle, he commanded the sun and moon to stand still. They did, for a whole day. -did the stars also stay still? Did the heavens stay still? did time stop being measured for one day?

At any rate: the sun and moon stood still and did not "go down" for a whole day.

Genesis agrees with this account. The original language says the same as Jasher in that the sun and moon did not go down for a whole day.

it states the sun, moon, and stars revolve around the earth?

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