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No, not Orthodox as to naming me...Happy for you, though : )I'm guessing you're not Orthodox because in the Orthodox church we do not read Revelation at all Liturgically. It's in our Bibles, but we never read it Liturgically.
That Book of Enoch you so revere is a tissue of lies.Pick One:
Apostolic Oriental Orthodox / Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Biblical Canon Scripture Book Of Enoch From Ancient Times.
Neither. But for the sake of drill, be good enough to point out any (or all, if you have the leisure) heresies or heterodox beliefs held by the Anglican communion. Who knows, you may persuade me that I need to disassociate myself with them. I'll accept the 39 Articles and the BCP (1662) as authoritative as touching Anglican beliefs. Youtube prophets and "somebody said" will be given the horselaugh they deserve.Heretical, Heterodox
Unless you've become a Roman Catholic since you posted that then your charge kind of rings hollow. <Laugh>Schismatic
Pot, kettle, black.Made Up Church
While your sect was founded by lesser sinners, is that it? Or at leeast sinners whose known sins were less egregious, right? BTW, how much do you reckon King Harry contributed to the dogma of the Anglican Church?with women and unrepentant homosexual bishops that is "Hilariously False" created by a Murderer King Henry VIII who had two of his wives beheaded.
I live in a No Rat Poop zone. Go thou and do likewise.Choose wisely.
The time is when, then? Doesn't "at hand" generally mean "real soon"? Hmmmm...Rev 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
I'm way late to this party!
I just started getting interested in the Book Of Enoch after listening to Michael Heiser (A Semitic expert of the Bible). I always have had some interest I've noticed a number of exorcists I've read over the years seems to subscribe to its theory of how the demons came into existence rather than the plane vanilla Christian theory of them just being Fallen Angels etc.
Anyway some of you may like some Heiser's Work
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The real shame is that people still manage to get caught up in the arrant claptap written in "Enoch". How many lies per page can anyone stand?It is a shame how institution has [purposefully, or ignorantly] denied so many of the spiritual truth. This is why one must have an intimate relationship with the Father - not a zealotry of canonical text and dogma. He will teach us everything. You also have to have the courage to trust Him, despite what other people say.
The real shame is that people still manage to get caught up in the arrant claptap written in "Enoch". How many lies per page can anyone stand?
Enoch isn't the only text which was taken out of canon institutionally.
Why let other humans tell you what, and how to think?
What do you mean by "institutionally taken out" of the canon?
Yet here you are trying to make an argument, be persuasive, convince him, or something... Doesn't your mere act of posting a reply violate your principle?
It was never in the canon.Enoch isn't the only text which was taken out of canon institutionally.
Hence you can believe that Batman comics are a source of eternal truth if it suits you.(canonicity itself is ridiculous)
Claptrap is also when one hypes as holy writ that would have you believe that the sun moves north to return to the east to as to rise at the east of somewhere. And claims that a "holy angel" provided that information. If that isn't claptrap then there ain't a cow in Texas, and "Enoch" is replete with that sort of goobledygook.Claptrap, for example, is saying the Most High God reneged on His holy Law, or that we should ignore 1/2 of the canon because some of us don't share genetics of the Hebrews
It was never in the canon.
Hence you can believe that Batman comics are a source of eternal truth if it suits you.
Claptrap is also when one hypes as holy writ that would have you believe that the sun moves north to return to the east to as to rise at the east of somewhere. And claims that a "holy angel" provided that information. If that isn't claptrap then there ain't a cow in Texas, and "Enoch" is replete with that sort of goobledygook.
You might be better off searching for eternal truths in that comic book I spoke of. You wouldn't be very much worse off.
Sorry, I can't figure out what you said thereIt is still in the Ethiopian canon. It isn't Jewish canon because the Hebrews abandoned their stations, and let outsiders infiltrate their ranks. But, we are ignoring that to fit your point, yes (despite the Word of God Himself saying this)?
Enoch is observably false. 'Nuff said.You act like I am pulling something out of my behind when I mention Enoch - it goes way beyond the Redeemer and Jude mentioning him once.
Even the name is false. The patriarch Enoch likely had nothing to do with it. Certainly the angels which it credits as sources didn't, they'd have had no need to lie.That is what I thought. You have a vendetta against hearing the name of the book itself.
I have a very simple "prejudice" against "Enoch" because it is observably and egregiously false. Not just inadvertently getting some stuff wrong, but totally making stuff up out of while cloth. It's a work of fiction, and no more worth being considered holy writ than a science fiction novel.You still didn't address anything I said. I also know why; all you have is institutional prejudice and a chip on your shoulder.
Yep. And "Enoch" is a fraud, a work of fiction being passed off as genuine,The Most High God is the Truth
There's no truth to be had in "Enoch".I just wanted you to know the truth.
Probably so, especially if you're trying to present the steaming pile that is "Enoch" as a source of truth. It isn't, by any stretch of the imagination.I am better off conversing with someone else. Cheers.
Why isn't the book of Enoch in the canon? It's referenced in the bible numerous times.
Example #1
Jude 1:14-15 - "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
"To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches, which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."
The book of Hanock (Enoch) 1:9 -
''And see! He comes with ten thousands of His qodeshim (dedicated ones, or "angels") to execute judgment upon all, and to destroy all the wicked, and to convict all flesh of
all the works of their wickedness which they have committed wickedly, and of all the harsh matters which wicked sinners have spoken against Him.
Example #2
Matthew 5:5 -
Blessed are the meek; for they shall inherit the earth.
Referencing Hanock (Enoch) 5:7 -
But for the elect there shall be light and joy and peace, and they shall inherit the earth.
8 ''And then there shall be given wisdom to the elect, and they shall all live and never again sin, either through wickedness or through pride, but they who are wise shall be humble.
9 ''And they shall not transgress again, nor shall they sin all the days of their hai (life), nor shall they die of anger or wrath, but they shall complete the number of the days of their hai (life). And their lives shall be increased in peace, and the years of their joy shall be multiplied, in eternal gladness and p6eace, all the days of their life.''
I shared the extra two verses, because this is a book that is proven to have been around some 2000 years before Yeshua (Jesus), and yet, he prophetically speaks on things only the prophets, and our Savior Himself knew of.
Example #3
John 12:35-36 -
35 Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going. 36 Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.
Hanok (Enoch) 108:11 -
''And now I will summon the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who in the flesh were not recompensed with such honour as their trustworthiness deserved.
Here is the kicker...
Example #4 (Final Example)
John 5:22 -
22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,
You ready for this?
Hanok (Enoch) 69:27-29 - For a tip, you can skip all of the text below, just be sure to read the red before you read the verse.
Some context, "Bĕn" means "Son", and Adam, quite literally is the Hebrew word and name, for Man. So, Bĕn of Adam, quite literally means "Son of Man". These passages from the book of enoch are taken from the Halleluyah Scriptures versions, which place special emphasis on giving literal word for word translations, and in places where pagan words have crept in, they choose to replace them with the originally intended hebrew/aramaic/greek words. In some cases, they even choose to introduce the original words because the words themselves have no equivalent in english that does the word complete justice. The context and content of the verses are exactly the same however, it's just a bit closer to the original. No verses are altered or doctored, or removed, only kept as closely to the original writings as possible. Also "יהוה" is the tetragrammaton, and is the name our Father told us to refer to him with for all of time. I'm not saying that these are terms you HAVE to use, I'm just giving context so everyone can understand the text below. Also, "Baruch" means "bless, or blessed" Much love, and enjoy!
24 And all these believe and give thanks before יהוה of hosts, and esteem (Him) with all their power, and their food is in every act of thanksgiving: they thank and esteem and exalt the Name of יהוה of hosts forever and ever.]
25 And this oath is mighty over them and through it [they are preserved and] their paths are preserved, and their course is not destroyed.
26 And there was great joy amongst them, and they baruch and esteemed and exalted because the Name of the Bĕn of Adam had been revealed unto them.
And He sat on the throne of his esteem, and the sum of judgment was given unto the Bĕn of Adam, and He caused the sinners to pass away and be destroyed from off the face of the earth, and those who have led the world astray.
28 With chains shall they be bound, and in their assemblage-place of destruction shall they be imprisoned, and all their works vanish from the face of the earth.
29 And from hereon there shall be none corruptible; for the Bĕn of Adam has appeared, and has seated Himself on the throne of His esteem, and all evil shall pass away before His face, and the Word of the Bĕn of Adam shall go forth and be strong before יהוה of hosts. This is the Third Parable of Hanok.
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They also replace the names in scripture with their literal Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek names, depending on who it is. Which is why Enoch is Hanok. Nonetheless. The book is definitely inspired. The book was proven to have been dated looooooong before the Son of Man, and is referenced throughout the NT and the OT. The Book of Jasher is also referenced often, but I'm not familiar with it. Nor am I familiar with the book of Hanok, I'm just posting this to get the views and opinions of others. What I have read of it, it seems to stay perfectly in line with scripture. That, and all of the ancient civilizations that had these beings come down and teach them technology that made them capable to create structures that baffle us today... The book of Hanok tells us about all of that. They weren't aliens, they were Nephilim. It even explains why some of those civilizations just... up and disappeared. It explains a lot, and answers those questions as to why the flood took place, and what exactly those giants were in Genesis 6.
There's a lot more, but I'd have to read more to be able to talk about it. It's a cool book, and it's referenced way too often to be ignored. Jude was alive thousands of years after Enoch, so it's not possible that that reference was talking about anything other than Enoch's book.
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