The Book of Enoch?

[Kaon]

This is one of The Most Potent Portions of 1 Enoch:


In those days the Lord bade them to summon and testify to the children of earth concerning their wisdom: Show it unto them; for ye are their guides, and a recompense over the whole earth. For I and My Son will be united with them for ever in the paths of uprightness in their lives; and ye shall have peace: rejoice, ye children of uprightness. Amen.

• 1 Enoch 105:1-2


Books of Enoch

This definitely isn't a matter of salvation, but it will make it that much easier to be impressed, distressed and controlled when it becomes a reality. Or, maybe God willing one may actually have the luxury of waking up in the middle of it all and realizing what happened. It happens often, and is a "trope" of humanity.

Childhoods End.

 

[Jipsah]

Early Christian writers accepted the Book of Enoch.

Apparently, then, they didn't know thy were being sold a bill of goods. Long and short of it is that there's a bunch of crud in "Enoch" that is observably false, being passed off as info provided by an angel. A little poison poisons the whole works, and there's more than a little poison in "Enoch". We're supposed to believe, against evidence available to anyone who's willing to look, that instead of the elegantly designed universe that God has created, the universe is a Rube Goldberg mechanism with planets and stars leaping hither and yon for no discernible reason other than that that's how it looked to the fraudster who wrote "Enoch" from where he was standing. face it, an angel would have known better. Yeah, it could have been one of Satan's turncoats peddling lies (which is their specialty, after all), but Occam's Razor says that whoever wrote "Enoch" made it up himself.

Only later, when Greek philosophical assumptions dominated did the Church cast it out!

Balderdash. They hove it out because it's phony, end story.

 

[Jipsah]

Well, all objects in the solar system orbit around the barycenter. So I guess I'm a barycentrist.

What are you, an engineer or some other kind of heretic? <Laugh>

Do you think barycentrism is a lie too?

It was thunk up to lure gear heads way from The Truth, which is that it's Turtles All The Way Down.

Out of curiosity, what is your explanation as to why astrodynamics seems to be descriptive and predictive?

Satan, of course.

 

[Jipsah]

the book should have been included in ot.

Apparently the ancient Jews weren't as impressed with it as you are.

 

[Jipsah]

The portals are the electromagnetic paths set for them by the Creator to run their courses in, daily, monthly, yearly – forever

the "portals" are baloney. Get yourself some gray line clock software, and you can tell where the sun is visible at any time. No portals or suchlike nonsense, just which part of our globe is turned toward the sun. It's a really handy tool for ham operators.

Speaking of which, in your flat earth, it makes sense that if I point my beam antenna directly at another HF station they can hear me (assuming the state of charge in the ionosphere allows), but how do you explain the ability to work a distant station "long path", i.e., with the antenna aimed 180 degrees away from them? Makes perfect sense in a spherical world, but none at all in a pie-pan shaped planet. What say you?

 

[Jipsah]

6 He hath set his tabernacle in the sun

Romey the Wonder Dog likes to lie in the sun.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Ancient Clay Tablets Verify Antiquity of Book of Enoch:
Posted by: James Trimm


Ancient Clay Tablets Verify Antiquity of Book of Enoch


" In the Babylonian account four false gods (Anu, Enlil, Ninurta and nnugi) who have Ea (Ya/Yah?) with them hear the "clamor" from mankind, Enlil proposes the idea of a flood and gets agreement, but Ea sympathizes with man and warns Utnapishtim (the Babylonian "Noah") to build a boat.

In the Enochian account four angels (Uriel, Raphael, Gabriel and Michael) hear the cry of man and then consult with Yahweh who proposes the flood and send Uriel to Noah to warn him to build an ark (1Enoch 9 & 10) "

 

[Jipsah]

Post disappeared through a cyber-portal.

 

[Jipsah]

Sorry, the earth still orbits the sun, within which is, as a previous poster pointed out, the barycenter of our solar system. "Enoch" says otherwise, hence "Enoch" is false.

The laws of Physics are the laws of God. They are the specs He used when He created the universe. To gainsay it is the worst kind of nonsense.

What is a barycenter? :: NASA Space Place

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Sorry, the earth still orbits the sun, within which is, as a previous poster pointed out, the barycenter of our solar system. "Enoch" says otherwise, hence "Enoch" is false.

The laws of Physics are the laws of God. They are the specs He used when He created the universe. To gainsay it is the worst kind of nonsense.

What is a barycenter? :: NASA Space Place

Heliocentrism is a Lie.


Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel:

“Sun, Stand Still OVER Gibeon;
And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
So The Sun Stood Still, (Not The Earth)
And The Moon Stopped, (Not The Earth)
Till the people had revenge
Upon their enemies.

Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So The Sun Stood Still In The Midst Of Heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. And there has been no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord heeded the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel.

• Joshua 10:12-14

 

[Jipsah]

Heliocentrism is a Lie.

The sun is the center of the solar system, beyond any reasonable doubt. Denying the heliocentrism of the solar system is a lie, and a silly one to boot.

“Sun, Stand Still OVER Gibeon;
And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
So The Sun Stood Still, (Not The Earth)
And The Moon Stopped, (Not The Earth)

Yep. And the sun rises and sets. We all talk that way, always. No one I ever heard said "the earth rotated until the light from the sun became visible above the horizon." They say "the sun rose". A lot easier, and everyone knows what you're talking about. But to believe that the sun is moving and the earth is stationary is nonsense. The sun is the barycenter of the solar system, and unless you'd like to deny the laws of Physics established by God Himself when He created the universe, evertyhing in the solar system is gonna revolve around that barycenter. No avoiding it, that's how it's all designed. If that offends you, then you'll have to take it up with the Great Engineer Himself.

I reckon that if God wants everything to stop, He'll stop it. No worries there. Your problem is that you're objecting to His design because it doesn't work like you think it ought to. I reckon it works just fine in spite of your objections. And the description given in "Enoch" serves only to prove that the writer of that missive hadn't a single clue how anything worked, never talked to anyone, angelic or human, who did, and that he was an extraordinarily shameless liar. And you really want us to believe that his mendacious scribblings should be considered equal to holy writ? That is simple lunacy.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

The sun is the center of the solar system, beyond any reasonable doubt. Denying the heliocentrism of the solar system is a lie, and a silly one to boot.



Yep. And the sun rises and sets. We all talk that way, always. No one I ever heard said "the earth rotated until the light from the sun became visible above the horizon." They say "the sun rose". A lot easier, and everyone knows what you're talking about. But to believe that the sun is moving and the earth is stationary is nonsense. The sun is the barycenter of the solar system, and unless you'd like to deny the laws of Physics established by God Himself when He created the universe, evertyhing in the solar system is gonna revolve around that barycenter. No avoiding it, that's how it's all designed. If that offends you, then you'll have to take it up with the Great Engineer Himself.

I reckon that if God wants everything to stop, He'll stop it. No worries there. Your problem is that you're objecting to His design because it doesn't work like you think it ought to. I reckon it works just fine in spite of your objections. And the description given in "Enoch" serves only to prove that the writer of that missive hadn't a single clue how anything worked, never talked to anyone, angelic or human, who did, and that he was an extraordinarily shameless liar. And you really want us to believe that his mendacious scribblings should be considered equal to holy writ? That is simple lunacy.

The earth Does Not rotate around the sun. It is the sun and moon that move.


You who laid The Foundations Of The Earth,
So That It Should Not Be Moved Forever,
• Psalm 104:5


The Earth and all its inhabitants are dissolved;
I Set Up Its Pillars Firmly.
• Psalm 75:3


God is Above The Firmament.

 

[Jipsah]

The earth Does Not rotate around the sun. It is the sun and moon that move..

And I reckon when you drive your car remains stationary while the earth moves under it. <Laugh>

"Enoch" is a tissue of lies.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

the "portals" are baloney. Get yourself some gray line clock software, and you can tell where the sun is visible at any time. No portals or suchlike nonsense, just which part of our globe is turned toward the sun. It's a really handy tool for ham operators.

Speaking of which, in your flat earth, it makes sense that if I point my beam antenna directly at another HF station they can hear me (assuming the state of charge in the ionosphere allows), but how do you explain the ability to work a distant station "long path", i.e., with the antenna aimed 180 degrees away from them? Makes perfect sense in a spherical world, but none at all in a pie-pan shaped planet. What say you?

The earth is not flat.
You have accused me of that anti biblical error several times and it gets tiring.
The Hebrew word for "world" means "globe". Check it out. I've shown it to you many times in the past when you falsely attacked me as a flat earther

 

[Yekcidmij]

The earth Does Not rotate around the sun. It is the sun and moon that move.

Depends on your reference frame. Use certain coordinate systems, the solar system, with all of it's objects orbiting the barycenter, itself moves. That is, it has a position and velocity.

But undoubtedly the laws of celestial mechanics apply. Indeed the objects in the solar system orbit the barycenter, which is reasonably approximated for most cases with the center of mass of the sun. If we select a frame of reference - say a galactic reference frame with the axes being at the center of the Milky Way - the solar system itself can be described with position and velocity (along with other orbital elements).

So yes, depending on your reference frame, the sun does orbit (along with the entire solar system) - just not around earth.

 

[Yekcidmij]

And I reckon when you drive your car remains stationary while the earth moves under it. <Laugh>

A revised supergalatic reference frame?:

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

• The Book of Enoch Is and Has Always Been Scripture.

• The Earth Does Not Move. (As Shown by Scripture)

• The Sun And Moon are what move (As Shown by Scripture)

 

[yeshuasavedme]

• The Book of Enoch Is and Has Always Been Scripture.

• The Earth Does Not Move. (As Shown by Scripture)

• The Sun And Moon are what move (As Shown by Scripture)

And the light and dark orbited the earth from the first day. In fact, the circling of the dark and the light from the point of the "belly button" of earth, back to the same is what makes one complete day.
The stretched out heavens, between the cut in two waters of creation, which is that "Firmament of His Powers", circled the earth from the stretching out of them.
The entire waters above the heavens and the layers of the heavens stretched out from the earth on day two have always circled the earth, in one day.
And YHWH, in the Person of God the Word, sits in the circle of the earth, in His created on day 4 temple in the heavens, which temple "He has set in the sun", as the Hebrew states, as also the original Greek Septuagint, and the Latin Vulgate, and the English translation from those, which is the Douay Rheims translation.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

And the light and dark orbited the earth from the first day.
The stretched out heavens, between the cut in two waters of creation, which is that "Firmament of His Powers", circled the earth from the stretching out of them.
The entire waters above the heavens and the layers of the heavens stretched out from the earth on day two have always circled the earth, in one day.
And YHWH, in the Person of God the Word, sits in the circle of the earth, in His created on day 4 temple in the heavens, which temple "He has set in the sun", as the Hebrew states, as also the original Greek Septuagint, and the Latin Vulgate, and the English translation from those, which is the Douay Rheims translation.

Psalm 18, Douay Rheims 1899 (Psalm 19 in other translations):
..
6 He hath set his tabernacle in the sun: and he, as a bridegroom coming out of his bride chamber, Hath rejoiced as a giant to run the way:
7 His going out is from the end of heaven, And his circuit even to the end thereof: and there is no one that can hide himself from his heat.

 

[Jipsah]

• The Book of Enoch Is and Has Always Been Scripture.

Nope, it's hogwash. All of it. Even "and" and "the".

• The Earth Does Not Move. (As Shown by Scripture)

Nope, it moves. Scripture never touched on celestial mechanics, it simply speaks from a geocentric viewpoint, as do we all. But God's Laws of Physics, observable to anyone honest enough to look, require that the earth revolves around the sun, just as the sun revolves around a galactic barycenter.

• The Sun And Moon are what move (As Shown by Scripture)

Nope, see above. That's what happens when you attach the meaning to Scripture that it never had and never intended in order to make it conform to your own beliefs. You end up arguing that up is down, whales are fish, the moon is made of cheese. and suchlike nonsense.