The BIG BANG! Theory And Other Christian Science.

[Morat]

John, honey, a unified field theory is one where gravity and electromagnetism are unified under one theory. A grand unified does that, and unified all of relativity and quantum mechanics too.

There's really not a lot of distinction, because getting one will probably get you the other.

Neither have anything to do with the Big Bang, whatsoever, except that the early moments of the Big Bang require physics on that level.

 

[John MacNeil]

[dd]Well, I don't know why you people are denying that Big Bang! cosmology is a Christian invention. Are you reading the articles I referenced too fast? Or are you reading them at all?

[dd]Georges Lemaitre first proposed the whole universe expanding from a single atom in 1927. Hubble confirmed that supposition in 1929. How, then, can you deny that the theory came from the Catholic Church? How do you dissociate Georges Lemaitre's theory from the priesthood and from the catholic university of which he was a professor? I'm really curious to know how you manage that. Is there some physchological response that doesn't enable you to compute the data? Is it because that after all these year you thought the Big Bang! theory was totally divorced from religious origins and beliefs? Does it now seem incomprehensible that after all this time and after all that has been written on it, that it has an affiliation with a religious organization that you have been stoutly denying for all the time that you believed in the theory?

[dd]The Big Bang! theory not only originated from Christians, but it was confirmed by Christians. Hubble's whole family were devout Christians. Furthermore, the next major discovery proclaimed to be proof of the Big Bang! theory also came from a Christian source. The cosmic microwave radiation that is proclaimed to be the background radiation left over from the Big Bang! was discovered by astrophysicist Arnold Penzias and that discovery won him a Nobel Prize in Physics in 1978. Here's how Arnold Penzias describes his findings;

--"In summary, therefore, astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one of which has an underlying (one might say "supernatural"), plan. Thus, the observations of modern science seem to lead to the same conclusions as centuries-old [creation beliefs].... At the same time, most of our modern scientific intuition seems to be more comfortable with the world as described by the science of yesterday."--Arnold Penzias, astrophysicist.

[dd]That summation can be read in the article/interview of Arnold Penzias at this website;

www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/Astronomy-Cosmology

which is from The American Scientific Affiliation website at;

www.asa3.org/

[dd]So you can see that the Big Bang! theory originated from Christian sources and was confirmed all along the way by Christian people. It is a curious thing that infidels believe wholeheartedly in the creationist Big Bang! theory and yet vehemently argue against other creationist doctrine that is conducted on a far smaller scale.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Originally posted by John MacNeil
So you can see that the Big Bang! theory originated from Christian sources and was confirmed all along the way by Christian people. It is a curious thing that infidels believe wholeheartedly in the creationist Big Bang! theory and yet vehemently argue against other creationist doctrine that is conducted on a far smaller scale.

So wait... The Big Bang theory is now a creationist invention? What about all those creationists who oppose it? I'm really confused as to what your point is.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Originally posted by Pete Harcoff
So wait... The Big Bang theory is now a creationist invention? What about all those creationists who oppose it? I'm really confused as to what your point is.

Haven't you read the New Creationist Bible?

Genesis 1:3 (Revised) And God said, "let there be light," and there was a massive expansion of the space-time continuum

So now it's Christian Science. Oh, wait, my bad, it was Christian Science all along...

"He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past." George Orwell, 1984

Seriously, the scientists may or may not have been Christian, but that doesn't make it "Christian Science."

 

[Jerry Smith]

It is a curious thing that infidels believe wholeheartedly in the creationist Big Bang! theory and yet vehemently argue against other creationist doctrine that is conducted on a far smaller scale.

Could be because Big Bang is a good theory & other creationist doctrine is malarkey. You might discover that by reading some of the other articles at ASA where you got your link.

Of course, I don't think any theory that has actual evidence deserves to be dismissed as mere creationist propaganda - no matter what the circumstances surrounding its discovery.

 

[John MacNeil]

[dd]The Big Bang! theory is not a good theory. It has so many gaping holes in it that it will never make a good theory. But that is beside the point. The point is that the Big Bang! theory is now, and always was, a theory presented by a Christian organization. What their ultimate purpose in presenting such a theory was, is debateable but not relevant to this discussion.

[dd]The fact that the true history of the Big Bang! theory is not even taught in schools is evidence that neither history nor science are being taught as they really occurred, but are being manipulated by the corporate/government so that a preferential view is imparted to students. This imparted view has the detrimental effect of leaving the students ignorant of a fundamental aspect of reality and makes them prone to argue against other people's point of view without having a realistic understanding of the subject they are arguing about. This incessant arguing can only be a planned social policy, part of a scheme to keep information and ideas limited to within a certain sphere so that the general level of knowledge is controlled by a controlling group.

[dd]Unless you realize that information is being controlled, then you can't have fruitful scientific discussions. The corporate/government began compartmentalizing information on a large scale during the second world war when they were working on the Manhattan Project, and they haven't stopped. What they've done is institutionalize the process so that it doesn't matter what job you get with whatever research company, you're only going to have access to information that is directly related to your field of research. They like to infer that they are making specialists, but what they are really making is automatons who are reasonablely proficient in a certain category while being inadequately educated in the general field of learning. In other words, they are attempting to eliminate the cosmopolitan man, or woman.

[dd]This kind of controlled information flow is what leads to pointless argument on forums like this. Christianity has had a great influence on science and society and for people to think that Christians are just "nutters" because they believe in the Bible is illogical. The Bible is some of the oldest recorded written record of human history and it contains a wealth of information, if you take the time to read it objectively. Since all of our science originates with human thought, the record of human thought and ideas which are represented in the Bible, and which come from antiquity, should be regarded with the utmost respect. To not study it would be to deprive yourself of a primary source of knowledge.

[dd]The fact that even now, after the origin of the Big Bang! theory has been shown to be Christian and creationist in nature, that opponents of religion are still defending it, is proof of the power of propaganda.

 

[sulphur]

The jesuits have always been strong advocates of scientific investigation and were responsible for the maintainence of knowledge from the early centuries including the fact the was round and was not the centre of the universe

 

[Hank]

Originally posted by John MacNeil


Unless you realize that information is being controlled, then you can't have fruitful scientific discussions. The corporate/government began compartmentalizing information on a large scale during the second world war when they were working on the Manhattan Project, and they haven't stopped. What they've done is institutionalize the process so that it doesn't matter what job you get with whatever research company, you're only going to have access to information that is directly related to your field of research. They like to infer that they are making specialists, but what they are really making is automatons who are reasonablely proficient in a certain category while being inadequately educated in the general field of learning. In other words, they are attempting to eliminate the cosmopolitan man, or woman.

I disagree.

At this moment, I am sitting at the University of Toronto. For a set fee I have access to virtually all knowledge. Some subjects that I have not access too are those which are in progress. This is to avoid me taking credit for somebody else's work. Even in those cases I can negotiate with a given research team to get controlled access to their work.

In short, anyone can get access to nearly any given information. Nearly = That excludes my Bank account, government's military secrets and associated technology and so on. The science behind military technology is available to anyone.

It would have been idiotic to publicize the Manhattan Project while in progress. LOL There was a little war going on there.

 

[EPHRIAM777]

Originally posted by John MacNeil
_________It has become glaringly apparent that most of the people who preach the evolution theory and Big Bang! cosmology do not know of the relationship between Christians and science

Eph writes...

The "big bang" theory isn't "Christian Science "...it is a secular position...!

Science is an ever changing view of the world...only as good as it's last cleared up wrong theory...

Science sets out to challenge something and put it to the test..and IF it is proven wrong...Science changes it's view on what it's theory was...!

This is believed to be a FAIR...and HONEST...and "let the facts speak for themselves" type of system...

NOTHING...and I mean NOTHING could be further from the truth...!

Many educators will say something and defend it to the death rather than admit their wrong...Many will shun others who challenge the normal "beliefs".....Whole careers have been decided by how much power can be brought to bear on someone who "thinks differently"...! You publish your paper on something...that your reputation is based on...Your less apt to be so honest and fair..if it will cost you your position at the University level...

THATS the real world of "science"...keeping that $$$...grant money coming in...and keeping YOUR opinions from being challenged...!

...NOTHING is further from being "Christian"....(( although there are SOME who are willing to be honest and fair the vast majority are not ))

 

[sulphur]

Oh my ___ .What scientist would such a thing.

 

[Jahservant]

I really am baffled by anyone claiming that the Big Bang automatically precludes a creator. How so? God could have easily employed just such a Big Bang as his chosen method of creation.

 

[sulphur]

many people working in all areas of science find there is no contradition between the big bang and the idea ofa"god"