And who don't accept the unbiblical doctrine of sinless perfection. Now its being touted as something that God's followers will achieve at the end of time. So all those who went before did not need to apply for this condition?
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And who don't accept the unbiblical doctrine of sinless perfection. Now its being touted as something that God's followers will achieve at the end of time. So all those who went before did not need to apply for this condition?You are right. It's only hanging on in certain group: the remnant who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.
Why don't you address the texts rather than trying to make it about the poster?So why do you keep sinning and holding on to sin if you are sanctified?
I expect my spouse to be human, and being human she may make mistakes.... I do not expect perfection from my wife.....as for looking at other women, I look all the time, in fact sometimes we both look and comment sooooo....... IMO the analogy ain't workin....Nothing novel here but the Bible certainly speaks of God's church as His bride. When you think of our walk with the Lord as a relational experience that is compared to marriage we can get a good perspective on what sinless perfection is all about.
I'm sure many of us are married so this will make sense. Think about the relationship you have with your spouse. Don't you expect sinless perfection from him/her when it comes to being totally devoted to you? What kind of arguement would it be to say to your wife. "You know honey I love you with all my heart, you have been my savior from the perils of single life since we got married but you know I can't stop committing adultery, or even stop looking at other women all the time! It's just so much a part of me and I naturally have this desire to do this with other women. You understand don't you honey? It's not what we do that keeps us married anyway right honey? " Your grace and forgiveness will carry me thru , I'm assured of that. I know that as long as I stay really focused on you my occasional spree won't cause us to lose our marriage, right honey? "
If we as sinful beings would expect sinless perfection and sexual purity from our mates why wouldn't the Lord expect the same thing in our relationship with Him?
God Bless
Jim Larmore
So Stormy--if your wife would make the same adulterous 'mistake' everyday, what message is she sending your way? Oh I know--you do not expect perfection from her--ok--I got it.I expect my spouse to be human, and being human she may make mistakes.... I do not expect perfection from my wife.....as for looking at other women, I look all the time, in fact sometimes we both look and comment sooooo....... IMO the analogy ain't workin....
you are correct I am not expecting perfection... likewise if that were the issue, then I am sure I would deal with it the same way God deals with me when I sin.... forgive and forgive again....So Stormy--if your wife would make the same adulterous 'mistake' everyday, what message is she sending your way? Oh I know--you do not expect perfection from her--ok--I got it.
I expect my spouse to be human, and being human she may make mistakes.... I do not expect perfection from my wife.....as for looking at other women, I look all the time, in fact sometimes we both look and comment sooooo....... IMO the analogy ain't workin....
Why don't you address the texts rather than trying to make it about the poster?
Read the book of HoseaSo Stormy--if your wife would make the same adulterous 'mistake' everyday, what message is she sending your way? Oh I know--you do not expect perfection from her--ok--I got it.
What does this have to do with the fact that we have been sanctified in Christ?Free, lets be real, a drug dealer can recognize someone dealing drugs 10 out of ten, thieves know another thief on first sight, pickpokets can spot another pickpocket in any crowd, you see where I am going with this.
I like how Bob Carlisle sang about 'saints'. The saints are just the sinners who fall down and get up.So if anyone here wants to claim they are a 'saint' in this group, I would only even consider Sophia7 as coming within a stones throw of that standard and even she would box me around the ears for putting her on the pedestal....
you are correct I am not expecting perfection... likewise if that were the issue, then I am sure I would deal with it the same way God deals with me when I sin.... forgive and forgive again....
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
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Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
What does this have to do with the fact that we have been sanctified in Christ?
I like how Bob Carlisle sang about 'saints'. The saints are just the sinners who fall down and get up.
Here in the first commandment God tells us that He is a jealous God. He wants our total committment to Him. Just as a man wants total committment from his wife.
Does any of this make any sense or am I way off base here?
God Bless
Jim Larmore
looking is just looking not fantasizing....if she is fantasizing that is between she and God.... though we do joke with each other, and no I will not share cause you all would not understand.....Sorry , I thought since it was an example God Himself placed in the Bible that it would work fine. So am I to take your comment that your ok with your wife having fantacies about making love with other men? Can she totally love you and only you when she is doing that? Is she also allowed to go and fulfill those fantacies when ever she wants brother?
Are you totally committed and loving to your wife when you have fantacies about making love to other women? Or are you saying that looking in your case is just "looking" and not fantacy at all?
God Bless
Jim Larmore
Commitment is one thing expecting the wife to behave sinlessly perfect when said husband is not perfect himself is another.
not exceptional, everyone has their issue that they cannot stand, there are so many facets to the concept of adultery and its not always sexual. I would submit that anything that a person is emotionally attached to so that their relationship with their partner takes a back seat, is committing adultery..... so that might include work, church, working out etc.... If a person is working 20 out of 24 hours of everyday, then their adultery partner is their job, IMO.... the effect is the same, they are unavailable... but I digress.....I would say you are an exceptional man brother. I don't know very many husbands that would allow their wife to go and have an adulterous affair everyday. My hat's off to you.
God Bless
Jim Larmore
looking is just looking not fantasizing....if she is fantasizing that is between she and God.... though we do joke with each other, and no I will not share cause you all would not understand.....
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