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Why is it, do you think, that we have been "denied access"?Well as I have said before , atheists say there is no God ,not that they hav'nt arrived yet , that they have doubts , that they are seeking . There is no God they say . This is a very ignorant position , as all it means ,is that for some reason they have been denied access .
What do gods have to do with science? If it is of no scientific significance, it is not science. That is axiomatic.
Nice dodge.What's the need for atheists to make their atheism about science if science has nothing to with it?
I don't know. It could be that atheism, as a theological position, is the most compatible with modern science.Above is an atom, and below is turning the Christian Fish into evolution.
This thread was started by a Christian and specifically targeted Atheism. There's nothing stopping Christians from making topics, having discussions, debating their points here.
Atheism is a theological interpretation of Materialistic Naturalism. The scientific world (From within a theistic culture) adopted Methodological Naturalism initially as a limiting boundary to simplify and ground scientific investigation in the physically observable world.I don't know. It could be that atheism, as a theological position, is the most compatible with modern science.
On the contrary. Every gap that god once dwelled, are all becoming too small for habitation.Atheism is a theological interpretation of Materialistic Naturalism. The scientific world (From within a theistic culture) adopted Methodological Naturalism initially as a limiting boundary to simplify and ground scientific investigation in the physically observable world.
This has however become a dogma (not withstanding some cosmological and sub-atomic speculation) promoted by Atheists and been mistaken for a boundary on the truth about the life the universe and everything, this in spite of the epistemic problems caused.
Modern science is in fact becoming increasingly difficult to maintain within the boundaries of Materialism and the more we discover, the more those with their hearts towards Theos are vindicated.
Not in the manner that I use the word.Atheism is a theological interpretation of Materialistic Naturalism.
It never ceases to amaze me how religionists just make up stuff like this, and use their own terms in the pejorative.The scientific world (From within a theistic culture) adopted Methodological Naturalism initially as a limiting boundary to simplify and ground scientific investigation in the physically observable world.
This has however become a dogma
Since when does atheist equate with cosmologist or physicist?(not withstanding some cosmological and sub-atomic speculation) promoted by Atheists
Atheism is not a truth statement.and been mistaken
To paraphrase Winston Churchill, science is the worst way to investigate reality, but all the others have been tried.for a boundary on the truth about the life the universe and everything, this in spite of the epistemic problems caused.
<citation missing>Modern science is in fact becoming increasingly difficult to maintain within the boundaries of Materialism and the more we discover, the more those with their hearts towards Theos are vindicated.
Atheism is a theological interpretation of Materialistic Naturalism.
[Methodological Naturalism] has however become a dogma (not withstanding some cosmological and sub-atomic speculation) promoted by Atheists and been mistaken for a boundary on the truth about the life the universe and everything, this in spite of the epistemic problems caused.
Modern science is in fact becoming increasingly difficult to maintain within the boundaries of Materialism
the more those with their hearts towards Theos are vindicated.
It is true that gaps in our knowledge have often been filled with a simply "Goddidit" and that's all, Augustine despaired about Believers doing this even in his time.On the contrary. Every gap that god once dwelled, are all becoming too small for habitation.
The more we know, the less sense "goddidit" as an explanation makes.
......Which logically stems from naturalism.No, that is just one sort of worldview that a portion of atheists have. Atheism is just the lack of belief in divine beings.
Nevertheless there is a clear epistemological problem that makes any atheistic view self defeating.I suspect that you are calling atheists "scientistic" here, and that is at best a charge leveled against only some atheists. There are plenty of atheists who are philosophical, and who don't view science as the sole means of knowledge generation. And even that does not save religious dogmas.
Thomas Nagel, for example, who is honest enough to address the problem even if the conclusion is beyond him.According to whom? How am I to know that this is a "fact"?
I am sure you are right but the cranky view of even a majority does nothing to negate the evidence.I am certain that some theists will feel vindicated at even the craziest of creationist dogma.
Forgive me but if Atheism denies any "divine beings" then this is what Atheism means. If there are no "divine beings" then there is no room for any being that does not originate from within the physical universe (for this is what "divine being" usually means) and therefore beings must only exist within the material world, and this would be a view that stems from materialism.I don't see much real vindication going on, unless you want to create a strawman of atheism as conforming to some narrow views on "materialism".
Quite, but not without the Spirit.eudaimonia,
Well, to respond to your question: I don't need you at all.Since you are sure that Christians are wrong why do you need us so much ,we can't
get rid of you parasites on our forums
I am reminded of a certain Douglas Adams quote...It is true that gaps in our knowledge have often been filled with a simply "Goddidit" and that's all, Augustine despaired about Believers doing this even in his time.
But all I hear you proclaiming (by analogy) is that because we understand a whole lot more about the internal combustion engine and the design of the motor car we now have good reason to deny that Henry Ford (or any other pioneering vehicle man) ever existed.
Clearly you assertion is absurd. To a clear thinker a clearer understanding of the universe and the world leads one to marvel more at the work of the Creator, not to deny His influence because we don't find a fairy hiding in the garden.
You'll need to elaborate further. In what way has the growth of knowledge increased confidence in the supernatural claims of religion?It is not because of gaps in our knowledge that confidence in the Creator is increasing but rather because knowledge has increased.
Yes, and the Quran followed this by claiming that believers of the preceding faiths (Christianity and Judaism) were without excuse for denying the doctrines of Islam.Paul had reason to write that "For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.", in the first century.
In what way does any of this constitute evidence for a deity?Nobody in the first century new anything about the beginning of the universe, cosmic fine tuning, the mysteries of biology, chemistry and physics, how much little excuse do the people of the earth have today?
You are here voluntarily on a forum dedicated to the "critical examination of the rational grounds of our most fundamental beliefs and logical analysis of the basic concepts employed in the expression of such beliefs" (Concise Encyclopedia). If you cannot engage in accordance with the forum's intended purpose, then I suggest posting elsewhere, in forums where the standards are much more lax, such as Theology. Since that forum is restricted to Christian's only, you won't encounter any "parasites" asking you to support your claims, and you can make whatever empty claims you like. Is that more to your liking?Since you are sure that Christians are wrong why do you need us so much ,we can't
get rid of you parasites on our forums
AMEN!!!
You don't challenge anything , you are more like little barking dogs, who have no higher purpose than to make a noise, thinking you will frighten us, or make us walk in an other direction .
Dear newhopeinHim,AMEN!!!
I've never seen you on the Philosophy forum. The Areas tab of your profile suggests you have only 15 posts in this forum to date, and yet you act like we are the intruders. Yes, we are on here - here being the Philosophy forum. Many of us have been here for years without anyone complaining about us "lurking." You would know that if you actually spent more than 5 minutes in this forum before pronouncing judgment on its most regular contributors.Its like the atheist lurk and wait for our replies, then slam us. They are always on here just waiting is what I have noticed.
You'll be happy to hear then, that while I was lurking yesterday, we (atheists) were called "stupid," "foolish," and a "parasite."Its like the atheist lurk and wait for our replies, then slam us. They are always on here just waiting is what I have noticed.
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