The Atheist could be wrong for many good reasons

[bhsmte]

This is the Philosophy forum. According to the forum's Statement of Purpose, it is for the "critical examination of the rational grounds of our most fundamental beliefs and logical analysis of the basic concepts employed in the expression of such beliefs" (Concise Encyclopedia). If you feel you are unable to participate in accordance with the forum's intended purpose, then may I suggest other sections of the site where the standards are much more lax, such as Theology (Christians only)?

Nailed it.

The other thing is this, in this section of the forum, people will be asked to support their claims. So, if you are in the habit of making assertion after assertion and can't back it up, you will be exposed. When folks are exposed, they claim they are being persecuted.

 

[newhopeinHim]

This part is tricky, because Christians differ on the matter of free will vs predestination.
I can only tell you what I believe.

Predestination is forensically a beautiful thing, because even though everyone's fate is ultimately predestined, it is still your fault if you choose to deny the hand Jesus has given out to rescue you from the original fate of humanity. Mankind is a man hanging on a cliff, with no other foothold. All you have is God's hand reaching out to you.

AMEN!!!

 

[newhopeinHim]

Oh yes, quite
I don't (very often) stray, into CF's other forums
but, picked up upon this threads header in 'recent posts'
and having read through the thread, then, to make comments
that, as can be seen, received 'the attention' (replies) above
It is I am sure obvious (here) that a little clique of unbelievers, 'crowd-in' around Christians
(those that reply) and begin making 'personal remarks' / 'comments'
toward the Christian responder's beliefs, rather than the content of their posts
which clearly would have been reportable (not so long ago)

Rather than see yet more, of 'that', and to engage such 'contentious attitudes'
I chose, instead, to place them on my ignore-list, for they, offer, no more than ridicule

AMEN!!!

 

[fat wee robin]

Christianity is the one religion atheists aim at. It is what other religions aim at. It is the history of the society you live in. Christ changed the world.

But nice job trying to downplay it to your ordinary, day to day life. You came here to be against Christianity, I don't labor under any delusion that all of you came here out of some interest in Christianity.

Excellent reply .

 

[fat wee robin]

The story of Christ certainly changed the world...though whether that change is more significant than Buddhism or Islam is certainly debatable.

We are on a christian forum though...so the rest of this post is just odd. I go to the forums of other religions when I want to discuss them (and that's actually something I've done...I'm not just explaining what I'd do hypothetically).

Only debateable to those who won't see , or won't look .

 

[fat wee robin]

"In God We Trust" is romanticizing God. George Washington is divinized on the roof of the Capitol, and 'Creator' is used several times in their historic literature.

Having Darwin on the dollar bill of a country virtually dictated by radical atheist liberals tells all.

The irony is, that if Darwin were here , he would disown them all .

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

The irony is, that if Darwin were here , he would disown them all .

And so would Newton and Galileo

 

[Davian]

This part is tricky, because Christians differ on the matter of free will vs predestination.
I can only tell you what I believe.

Predestination is forensically a beautiful thing, because even though everyone's fate is ultimately predestined, it is still your fault if you choose to deny the hand Jesus has given out to rescue you from the original fate of humanity. Mankind is a man hanging on a cliff, with no other foothold. All you have is God's hand reaching out to you.

This is contradictory. If it were "predestined" that I believe that gods are nothing more than characters in books, how then can I be held accountable for believing that your "cliff" and "foothold" and "God" are fictional?

Do you send letters to Santa? Why not? Do you not want free stuff?

 

[fat wee robin]

When you take into account that 'majority' is only 53%, and many of them are as 'meh' as they come as far as being Christian, you're not really saying much. Christianity over there seems to largely be progressivism with a Persian death stick on top of it.

And as far as your argument, I'm just going to hereby drop everything I said and say that you aren't doing anything but trying to get around the substantiated fact that atheism and science are strongly correlated. This conversation is a waste of time, I'm right.. I don't need to give you examples of jack just so you can swoop and dodge them.

Well it became so .It was not always like that . There was a great questioning of all the cultural and morals taken for granted until then, and it was badly handled by the churches at a time when people needed the space to ask questions .There have always been atheists ,and will be until God closes the cycle of growth ,but many became so because of the bad behaviour and intellectual laziness of many christian leaders .They have never most of them understood what God is revealing ,and those that do, are controlled ,and prevented from being heard .
We were not allowed to discuss ,rationalise with those who were suppposed to know the catechism ,or the bible .Both were guilty of control tecniques ,instead of saying do not understand everything ,but this I know ,and then explain .
As I said, Darwin was an atheist only temporarily ,when his favourite daughter died ,but at the end he was not .

 

[fat wee robin]

And so would Newton and Galileo

And Einstein .At one time apparently he admitted that to be a believer was to risk scorn at least .So it was risky in a climate where atheism is the norm, and your work might be destroyed ,to openly be a believer .

 

[Davian]

And so would Newton and Galileo

On what do you base that?

 

[fat wee robin]

You seem awfully bitter about the fact that atheists are on C.F. Did you have a bad experience with one or something?

I sympathize with folks your age Dave. You probably remember a time when you could say whatever you liked about christianity without your statements being challenged in any way. It's probably a disturbing trend at your age to see this is not the case anymore.

You don't challenge anything , you are more like little barking dogs, who have no higher purpose than to make a noise, thinking you will frighten us, or make us walk in an other direction .

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

On what do you base that?

They were both avid Christians who would disagree with atheists today harboring their rejection of God on science.

 

[fat wee robin]

There is nothing that you can 'teach' against atheism. You can only either prove the existence of God or that God can provide the convincing evidence Himself.

As long as theists continue to offer unconvincing arguments for the existence of deities, atheists will remain unconvinced, unless God (whichever one that may be) personally decides to reveal Himself to them.

Well as I have said before , atheists say there is no God ,not that they hav'nt arrived yet , that they have doubts , that they are seeking . There is no God they say . This is a very ignorant position , as all it means ,is that for some reason they have been denied access .

 

[fat wee robin]

Oh, I didn't even try to correct your faulty German.

I just wonder: obviously you are - marginally - able to speak and write in German, as well as in English. That is laudable, especially if we assume that both are foreign languages for you.

So why do you keep insisting on demonstrating that you are bad at it?

Since you are sure that Christians are wrong why do you need us so much ,we can't
get rid of you parasites on our forums

 

[Davian]

They were both avid Christians who would disagree with atheists today harboring their rejection of God on science.

What do gods have to do with science? If it is of no scientific significance, it is not science. That is axiomatic.

 

[fat wee robin]

You need to toughen up a bit.

This is a place for discussion, and if you find having your ideas challenged, then maybe the Xian's only part of CF would be better for you?

What about someone like me, who doesn't sin?

Your ignorance is itself, the greatest of sins .You are like someone born without nerve endings ,who will kill themselves because they cannot preceive that they are dying .

'Sin' means off the path . I do not normally take so against atheists as on here ,but you lot have the most posts ,and the mods here are far too lax in letting you post so much nothing ness .

 

[HitchSlap]

Your ignorance is itself, the greatest of sins .You are like someone born without nerve endings ,who will kill themselves because they cannot preceive that they are dying .

'Sin' means off the path . I do not normally take so against atheists as on here ,but you lot have the most posts ,and the mods here are far too lax in letting you post so much nothing ness .

Ok.

 

[HitchSlap]

Since you are sure that Christians are wrong why do you need us so much ,we can't
get rid of you parasites on our forums

It's a symbiotic relationship.

 

[Skavau]

Your ignorance is itself, the greatest of sins .You are like someone born without nerve endings ,who will kill themselves because they cannot preceive that they are dying .

'Sin' means off the path . I do not normally take so against atheists as on here ,but you lot have the most posts ,and the mods here are far too lax in letting you post so much nothing ness .

This thread was started by a Christian and specifically targeted Atheism. There's nothing stopping Christians from making topics, having discussions, debating their points here.