The Assumption of Mary

[sheina]

The Lord Jesus Christ is always interceding for His own....He is alive....Mary is dead.

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

We have a heavenly Father, not a heavenly mother.

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

 

[Thekla]

Is to be with Christ to be dead ?

"For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ, which is best of all; nevertheless to abide in the flesh is most needful for you." Phil. 1:23, 24

 

[Incariol]

Is to be with Christ to be dead ?

"For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ, which is best of all; nevertheless to abide in the flesh is most needful for you." Phil. 1:23, 24

That would seem to be a darkly ominous inversion of the Gospel message.

 

[Lion King]

That's very sad. It is very comforting knowing I have a loving Mother in Heaven interceding for me with her Son and God.

huh?

What does that sentence even mean?

 

[Incariol]

huh?

What does that sentence even mean?

It means it is very comforting to me that I have my Mother Mary, who loves me, in Heaven praying to Jesus for me.

 

[Lion King]

It means it is very comforting to me that I have my Mother Mary, who loves me, in Heaven praying to Jesus for me.

Ok, let me get this straight:

You....Mary....Jesus Christ.....God

Is this what you mean?

 

[Incariol]

Ok, let me get this straight:

You....Mary....Jesus Christ.....God

Is this what you mean?

No.

 

[Lion King]

No.

Show me what you mean, then?

 

[Incariol]

Show me what you mean, then?

I pray to God, and I also ask Mary to pray for me, and she prays to God.

Me-----> God

Me----> Mary----> God

Not all that different from:

Me----> Pastor---> God

 

[Lion King]

I pray to God, and I also ask Mary to pray for me, and she prays to God.

Me-----> God

Me----> Mary----> God

Not all that different from:

Me----> Pastor---> God

Is that God the Son or the Father?

 

[Incariol]

Is that God the Son or the Father?

Does it make a difference?

 

[Lion King]

Does it make a difference?

Yes, it most certainly does. See, Judaism believes in God the Father, but does not believe in Jesus Christ too.

Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me. John 14:6

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Yes, it most certainly does. See, Judaism believes in God the Father, but does not believe in Jesus Christ too.

Yes. But how it is essential to believe, as dogma, in the Assumption of Mary in order to believe that Jesus is the Incarnate Second Person?








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[Incariol]

Yes, it most certainly does. See, Judaism believes in God the Father, but does not believe in Jesus Christ too.

Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me. John 14:6

....Cool. I'm not a Jew.

 

[Lion King]

....Cool. I'm not a Jew.

So, can you specify then? Is it God the Father or the Son?

 

[Lion King]

Yes. But how it is essential to believe, as dogma, in the Assumption of Mary in order to believe that Jesus is the Incarnate Second Person?








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I need to know something, that's all.

 

[Incariol]

So, can you specify then? Is it God the Father or the Son?

Why don't you just pretend you got the answer you are fishing for and go ahead with your argument.

 

[Lion King]

Why don't you just pretend you got the answer you are fishing for and go ahead with your argument.

I see.

It is what it is.

 

[Incariol]

I see.

It is what it is.

A logical response.

 

[MamaZ]

That's very sad. It is very comforting knowing I have a loving Mother in Heaven interceding for me with her Son and God.

It is Jesus who forever lives and intercedes for me. He is more than able to keep who the Father has given Him. I really don't see in the Apostles teachings that Mary is in heaven interceding for us.