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I'm in agreement with this. Mary was not assumed into Heaven, nor was she sinless nor is she my mother. There is no Scripture to back up any of these teachings.
I'm sure her relics have turned to dust since she died over 2000 years ago.
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
I'm sure her relics have turned to dust since she died over 2000 years ago.
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
In her grave...along with her other remains.
Or so it's said the Catholic Church has them.
Well, well, aren't you special!!! How do you balance all this out with Scriptures?:Except, you know, we have relics from the Twelve Apostles that haven't turned to dust. Not to mention the bones of Saint Peter.
Well, well, aren't you special!!! How do you balance all this out with Scriptures?:
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Sarcalogos Deus said, "Except, you know, we have relics from the Twelve Apostles that haven't turned to dust. Not to mention the bones of Saint Peter." And I then replied, "Or so it's said the Catholic Church has them." In other words, the Catholic Church could possibly be lying about having such things or whatever they have could be the bones of someone completely different. I don't believe everything the Catholic Church claims to be true.
If the location of Mary's grave was known, millions of people would make pilgrimages to the site to "venerate" and "worship" this grave. That's is the reason why God does not say where her grave is located.Where, Sheina, where?
If the location of Mary's grave was known, millions of people would make pilgrimages to the site to "venerate" and "worship" this grave.
That's is the reason why God does not say where her grave is located.
Well, well, aren't you special!!! How do you balance all this out with Scriptures?:
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Wikipedia! Wow. Yeah, that settles the argument right there. If Wiki is brought in, then that's the end of it.
Out of deference to the request, I will only focus on this one. Frankly, you're wrong here. The author of Hebrews is not speaking of what lies ahead, he is speaking of what has already occurred. "You have come", not "You will come"They were one of a list of the Heavenly Assembly....and Paul is exhorting us to see by faith what lies ahead, where we are going, and those who have already run the race...he is not commending that we communicate with them, but that we know that where they are, where the Angels are etc is where we are headed....Paul is getting us to use our eyes of faith, and not grow weary and take our eyes off the hope before us.
In deference to the request of Sacerdote, I will make this the last reply and let the thread get back on to the idea that Mary was assumed into Heaven...something I don't really think took place and think is really part of extended evolving Catholic doctrine...but then I don't see Mary as sinless, or my Mother either.
As I said, I agree with you, Zazal. I guess this should also be my last reply in this thread, too.
I'm not sure how one believes they can become a brother to Christ and be adopted into his family, consider God as Fathe, yet exclude Mary as mother.I'm in agreement with this. Mary was not assumed into Heaven, nor was she sinless nor is she my mother. There is no Scripture to back up any of these teachings.
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