the apocalypse

[Straightshot]

I intentionally do not use it .... I don't like it

I have been on the message boards for years and I simply do not like a quoting system .... I do not need it

 

[Douggg]

The horns are kings not the heads and no one died and then resurrected. One of the heads which are mountains receives a wound that would be deadly except it heals. No death, no resurrection and not related to a single king.

A mountain is mortally wounded ? A mountain has a crown in Revelation 12?

The 7th king is yet to come. He is the one who will be mortally wounded and comes back to life. The vision of the beast in Revelation 13 is the status with 42 months to go.

Those seven heads, the seven kings, have their crowns in Revelation 12, as that chapter is the status of the beast (the Roman Empire) with 7 years to go. It is future of us, but not far away.

You already claimed it was the 7th king and now you contradict yourself showing how confused your understanding is on this issue. Advice: wipe the board clean and start anew because you are badly incorrect on all points.

It is not me that is confused, but you. The 7th king of the Roman Empire, of the Julio-Claudian bloodline, will be killed and brought back to life as the 8th king, the beast. How complicated can that be for you?

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Of the seven kings, not of seven mountains. The beast is not an eighth mountain.


Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.



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[ewq1938]

A mountain is mortally wounded ?

Yes.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

He is the one who will be mortally wounded and comes back to life.

There is no such person or events in scripture. No one dies and is resurrected and it's not a king anyways. A mountain is wounded, does not die but the wound heals.

Those seven heads, the seven kings, have their crowns in Revelation 12, as that chapter is the status of the beast (the Roman Empire) with 7 years to go. It is future of us, but not far away.

Blending what's in Rev 12 with what's in 13 is a huge mistake.

It is not me that is confused, but you.

Since what you claim isn't found in scripture, I beg to differ with your "conclusion".

Revelation 17:11

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Of the seven kings, not of seven mountains. The beast is not an eighth mountain.

This is not about the 7 heads/mountains but 6 previous kings and two more that arise.






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[Douggg]

Yes.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

That the seven heads represent seven mountains only pertains to where the woman riding the beast in Revelation 17 sits, that is, located.

There is no such person or events in scripture. No one dies and is resurrected and it's not a king anyways. A mountain is wounded, does not die but the wound heals.

Lazarus was raised from the dead by Jesus. And Jesus himself died and resurrected himself. When king #7 commits the transgression of desolation, God has him killed for his audacious act, in Ezekiel 28:1-10. And then in Isaiah 14: 19-20 in disdain for the person has him cast of the grave - brought back to life. A little over 42 months later, he will be cast alive into the lake of fire.

Blending what's in Rev 12 with what's in 13 is a huge mistake.

I don't know what you mean by "blending", but none of the information in the visions can be in conflict in the interpretation thereof - which the interpretation you are advocating is in conflict because mountains don't have crowns - in addition to mountains are not mortally wounded and healed.

This is not about the 7 heads/mountains but 6 previous kings and two more that arise.

It says 7 kings right in the text. Those 7 kings are associated with the place the woman sits - Rome.

 

[ewq1938]

It says 7 kings right in the text. Those 7 kings are associated with the place the woman sits - Rome.

I know it says kings. It doesn't say heads was the point.

 

[Douggg]

I know it says kings. It doesn't say heads was the point.

The two verses are tying the heads, the place where the woman sits, together with 7 kings associated with that place. The heads have crowns in Revelation 12, they are kings. The horns have crowns in Revelation 13, they are kings.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

 

[Straightshot]

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space

7 human king positions related to the 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms of the beast

5 historical .... the 6th at the beginning of the tribulation, and the next and final 7th divided with 11 human king positions .... the little horn and his 10 others

The beast's heads are his assigned kingdoms .... all of these have had several individual kings, so it is the human king position of the head [kingdom] over which Abaddon rules

 

[ewq1938]

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space

7 human king positions related to the 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms of the beast

5 historical .... the 6th at the beginning of the tribulation, and the next and final 7th divided with 11 human king positions .... the little horn and his 10 others

The beast's heads are his assigned kingdoms .... all of these have had several individual kings, so it is the human king position of the head [kingdom] over which Abaddon rules

The heads aren't kingdoms because no kingdom has more than one king and the beast has ten kings so the 7 heads are areas of land containing more than one kingdom at times.

 

[Straightshot]

"The heads aren't kingdoms because no kingdom has more than one king and the beast has ten kings so the 7 heads are areas of land containing more than one kingdom at times"


The 7 kingdoms are described as the "heads" of the beast which the beast has and will rule over for Satan .... each of the first 5 kingdoms are a matter of the historical record and also contained within the scope of the prophet's visions .... and all of these had several successive human kings each

So it is the king position of the kingdom that is significant

Here are the first 5 [the "land of Magog, the Assyrian Empire, the neo-Babylon Empire. the Medo/Persian Empire, and the northern Seleucid Empire

I would suggest that you do more study of both the prophetic scriptures and the historical records

 

[Douggg]

The heads aren't kingdoms because no kingdom has more than one king and the beast has ten kings so the 7 heads are areas of land containing more than one kingdom at times.

Regarding the 7 kings, no kingdom has more than one king - at a time.

The ten kings, however, are part of one kingdom, the fourth kingdom.

Daniel 7:
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Now what kingdom is diverse from all kingdoms on the earth right now? The EU because it is made up of a collection of nations.

 

[ewq1938]

The 7 kingdoms are described as the "heads" of the beast which the beast has

No trhey aren't described as kingdoms. I just explained why this is wrong.

.... each of the first 5 kingdoms are a matter of the historical record and also contained within the scope of the prophet's visions .... and all of these had several successive human kings each

You are making a typical error by confusing the 7 heads with the 7 different historical kingdoms in Rev 17.

The Rev 13 beast has all 7 heads, 5 have not fallen with one falling and two yet to come. The 7 heads are 7 mountains ruled by ten kings.

 

[Straightshot]

And the mountains are kingdoms son the same .... 7 of them one after the other .... 5 have fallen, one is, and the other will come

The 10 kings will rule together with Satan's beast in the human little horn over the 7th

I am not going to argue with you and will again urge you do to more study

 

[ewq1938]

And the mountains are kingdoms son the same

That's still wrong. You haven't dealt with the content of my posts which prove it wrong. You just keep claiming it's correct when it isn't.

The 7 heads are never 7 kingdoms. Only the ten horns have ten kingdoms and those ten kingdoms are within the 7 heads/mountains proving the 7 heads are not kingdoms.

 

[Straightshot]

The 7 heads are never 7 kingdoms. Only the ten horns have ten kingdoms and those ten kingdoms are within the 7 heads/mountains proving the 7 heads are not kingdoms


What you say makes no sense at all

The 10 horns are not kingdoms, but but 10 human kings that will rule with the beast over his 7th kingdom together

Your rendering is strange .... where did you get your ideas?

Study on and use the Bible .... I have dealt with your postings by contrasting your errors

Kingdoms, mountains, heads all describing the beast's rule over 7 human Middle Eastern kingdoms for Satan beginning in the early days of the post flood settlements .... 5 of his kingdoms have fallen .... there are 2 more to come for a total of 7, one after the other

You have to understand these symbol meanings in order to render the related prophetic scriptures

 

[ewq1938]

What you say makes no sense at all

The 10 horns are not kingdoms, but but 10 human kings that will rule with the beast over his 7th kingdom together

Your rendering is strange .... where did you get your ideas?

My understanding of Revelation is above yours IMO which is why you don't understand.

You say the ten horns are not kingdoms but of course the ten kings have their own kingdoms:

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

A king cannot be a king without a kingdom.

Study on and use the Bible .... I have dealt with your postings by contrasting your errors

So far it's only I that have been correcting your errors. You have yet to do the same.

Kingdoms, mountains, heads all describing the beast's rule over 7 human Middle Eastern kingdoms for Satan beginning in the early days of the post flood settlements .... 5 of his kingdoms have fallen .... there are 2 more to come for a total of 7, one after the other

Yet again you confuse two different concepts. The 7 heads of the Rev 13 beast are not any previous kingdoms of the past. If you were right, the Rev 13:1 beast wouldn't have 7 heads because 6 of them would have been fallen in the past yet the beast has 7 heads and none are fallen.

 

[Straightshot]

No response for you on the above

Your renderings are so warped that it would not be worth the time

However, I would ask what your source is for all of your hobgoblin .... who taught you?

Rendering and teaching the Lord's prophetic word is not for the novice

 

[ewq1938]

No response for you on the above

No surprise there

 

[victorinus]

to make this interesting -
who is the king of the south? -
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do you have someone that might fit?

 

[Straightshot]

Ptolemaic Egypt was the kingdom of the south just before the first century .... the Seleucid kingdom was the northern divide of Alexander's Asian holdings [the two bronze thighs of Daniel's image]

These two rival kingdoms will be in the same relationship at the time of the end [the two iron legs of the image]

The little horn of Daniel's visions will rise out of the current upheaval of the same northern divide and when he does the leader of Egypt will contend with him .... the little horn will defeat him and add Egypt to his Middle Eastern kingdom [Daniel 11:40; 11:42]

 

[victorinus]

Ptolemaic Egypt was the kingdom of the south just before the first century .... the Seleucid kingdom was the northern divide of Alexander's Asian holdings [the two bronze thighs of Daniel's image]

These two rival kingdoms will be in the same relationship at the time of the end [the two iron legs of the image]

The little horn of Daniel's visions will rise out of the current upheaval of the same northern divide and when he does the leader of Egypt will contend with him .... the little horn will defeat him and add Egypt to his Middle Eastern kingdom [Daniel 11:40; 11:42]

thanks for playing along