the apocalypse

[victorinus]

I just showed you that TWO ENTITIES are in hell awaiting Satan. They are not the same entity. The dragon is Satan, he of course is over them all, so they derive their powers from Satan, just like a Witch does. Or two witches. Or 3 Shaman.

based on this?
Revelation 20:2 (KJV)
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
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him refers to the dragon sometimes called the devil, satan, or old serpent

 

[Revealing Times]

based on this?
Revelation 20:2 (KJV)
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
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him refers to the dragon sometimes called the devil, satan, or old serpent

10 And the devil (Satan, Dragon, Devil, Lucifer) that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

It just doesn't get any plainer. The Beast (Anti-Christ) and the False Prophet are in hell awaiting Satan t be cast into hell with them, after the 1000 years of being bound in the PIT.

 

[Straightshot]

"are you talking to me?"


Yes .... your posts on the subject of the "beast" seem a bit garbled, and I can understand that

Maybe when you double your tenure in the prophetic scriptures you can improve your rendering .... it takes time .... I am in for 43 years

Maybe I can shorten your learning curve

Satan is the designer of his strategy to become "god"

The first beast is Abaddon his "antichrist" .... a fallen angel like Satan who rules over 7 kingdoms of the Middle East for the devil .... 5 have fallen and two are still future

The human little horn of Daniel's visions will be fully possessed by Abaddon

It is this angelic manifestation in the human little horn that will rule with 10 other contemporary human kings

The second beast [the false prophet] is also another fallen angel who will possess two human clerics .... and these will lead Abaddon's religious cult

Abaddon and his cult religion will be of the Muslim persuasion

 

[Commander]

"And he is before all things, and by him all things consist" Colossians 1:17. If Jesus Christ is before all things and by him all things consist, what does Satan or the devil have to do with anything? Nothing!
"And when he(Comforter/Holy Spirit) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more, of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged." John 16:8-11

 

[ewq1938]

13.1 is a composite of the two beasts -

Not according to the text. It is the first beast only.

the first is mortally wounded and replaced by the second -

The text does not show any replacing nor was the first beast mortally wounded. The two beasts are destroyed in the lake of fire at the same time showing they were together through the entire trib.

 

[ewq1938]

The first beast is Abaddon his "antichrist"

No, Abaddon is another name for Satan. The first beast is a governmental system spanning 7 mountains and is ruled by ten kings until the AC takes control and rules it all.

 

[victorinus]

The text does not show any replacing nor was the first beast mortally wounded.

causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

 

[victorinus]

"are you talking to me?"


Yes .... your posts on the subject of the "beast" seem a bit garbled, and I can understand that

why don't you quote the normal way?
I avoid doing long posts -
prefer dialogue with short posts -
like question and answer

 

[victorinus]

for those who might think my presentation is a bit garbled -
the first post of this thread has plenty of links -
it is comprehensive

the apocalypse
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666 -
babylon the great - constantinople -
rider of the white horse - constantine -
rider of the red horse - mohammed -
rider of the black horse - marx -
the first beast - the roman empire -
the second beast - islam -
the seven heads - the seven dynasties of the roman empire -
the ten horns - the ten islamic dynasties -
the thousand years - the byzantine empire -
the three johns - john the baptist and two more johns -
the two witnesses - church and state -
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the timeline of the apocalypse
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daniel
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this is twenty years of research -
will discuss the results -
will present the books used -
looking forward to discussing all aspects of the apocalypse -
I chose not to use the Historicist Only tag because I want to include all in this dialogue

 

[ewq1938]

causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

You are proving the beast was not mortally wounded as I said. A mortal wound kills someone. Because it healed, it was not a mortal wound plus it was only against one of it's heads anyways not the entire beast itself.

 

[Douggg]

victorinus said: ↑
causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

ewq said: You are proving the beast was not mortally wounded as I said. A mortal wound kills someone. Because it healed, it was not a mortal wound plus it was only against one of it's heads anyways not the entire beast itself.

You are both right. It doesn't happen that often.

It is the 7th head (king 7 of the Roman Empire) that will be mortally wound - killed.

But when he is brought back to life, it is as the beast, the 8th king of the Roman Empire - different than the previous 7 kings, because he as the beast will be possessed by the unclean spirit of the ancient person ascending out of the bottomless pit..

So at the time the image is made of him - he being the beast, the 8th king, will have been the one who was mortally wounded and healed.

Before he is killed though, he is one of the heads - king 7 - of the Roman Empire.

Remember the first beast in Revelation 13, has a dualistic meaning. (1) as a kingdom, empire (2) as the eighth king.

 

[Straightshot]

"why don't you quote the normal way?"


Re-posting long drawn out material in quotation is a waste of time and space

I don't need to do it .... choosing material by selection and giving short to the point responses is the only way to go

 

[Straightshot]

My comment

The beast rules over 7 human kingdoms .... these are his heads

It is his 5th kingdom that is wounded .... it fell just before the first century

Then he was sent to the abyss

And his 6th kingdom [head healed], which is still future, will come when he is released from the abyss to rule again

It is just that simple

Fallen angels do not have multiple physical heads that can receive a physical wounding .... the heads are his kingdoms to rule over for Satan

If you cannot get this symbolism, then you will never understand Revelation's account on the matter

It should be obvious even by the historical records let alone the prophecies .... 5 of his "heads" kingdoms have fallen .... one will exist at the beginning of the tribulation, and the other will follow

To say that a fallen angel has 7 literal "heads" of which 5 have been physically wounded and have fallen off is an absurdity

Any who do this simply have little or no scriptural insight and this makes a mockery of the Lord's more sure word of prophecy

 

[ewq1938]

You are both right. It doesn't happen that often.

It is the 7th head (king 7 of the Roman Empire) that will be mortally wound - killed.

The horns are kings not the heads and no one died and then resurrected. One of the heads which are mountains receives a wound that would be deadly except it heals. No death, no resurrection and not related to a single king.

So at the time the image is made of him - he being the beast, the 8th king, will have been the one who was mortally wounded and healed.

You already claimed it was the 7th king and now you contradict yourself showing how confused your understanding is on this issue. Advice: wipe the board clean and start anew because you are badly incorrect on all points.

 

[ewq1938]

"why don't you quote the normal way?"


Re-posting long drawn out material in quotation is a waste of time and space

I don't need to do it .... choosing material by selection and giving short to the point responses is the only way to go

That's not what he asked. He isn't asking why you quote something short but why not use the quote function rather than manual "" quotes.

 

[ewq1938]

My comment

The beast rules over 7 human kingdoms .... these are his heads

Nope. The heads are not kingdoms, they are mountains which are likely the 7 continents signifying something global. There are ten kings and kingdoms, not 7.

 

[Straightshot]

You heard what I said and the way I do it

That is what I said

 

[ewq1938]

You heard what I said and the way I do it

That is what I said

You apparently still don't understand the question.

 

[Straightshot]

Do you want to argue about it?

My guess is that you have another motive .... what is it?

 

[ewq1938]

Do you want to argue about it?

My guess is that you have another motive .... what is it?

To help you understand how to use the quote function. I first need to know if you intentionally don't use it or if you don't know how to use it.