THE ANNUAL HOLY DAYS COMMANDED AND ARE SABBATHS ALSO

[TomorrowsWorld]

Prove it straight from the pages of your own Bible! What are the most important days on Christian calendar?
What do those days have to do with the plan of God?
What days did Christ observe?
Does it really make a difference what days you keep?

See more at: http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/booklets/the-holy-days-gods-master-plan#sthash.6sGH1Ury.dpuf

Telecast: http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/the-biblical-holy-days-part-1

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/the-biblical-holy-days-part-2

 

[Bob S]

Prove it straight from the pages of your own Bible! What are the most important days on Christian calendar?
What do those days have to do with the plan of God?
What days did Christ observe?
Does it really make a difference what days you keep?

See more at: http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/booklets/the-holy-days-gods-master-plan#sthash.6sGH1Ury.dpuf

Telecast: http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/the-biblical-holy-days-part-1

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/the-biblical-holy-days-part-2

Prove that Christians are required to observe feast days. Pray tell us how we are to observe the feasts properly without the Temple and the Levites? If we are to keep the feasts as Jesus did how about wearing robes with tassels and submit to all of the laws of Torah as Jesus did? Why stop at a half hearted attempt to observe days meant only for Israel?

 

[TomorrowsWorld]

Prove that Christians are required to observe feast days. Pray tell us how we are to observe the feasts properly without the Temple and the Levites? If we are to keep the feasts as Jesus did how about wearing robes with tassels and submit to all of the laws of Torah as Jesus did? Why stop at a half hearted attempt to observe days meant only for Israel?

Feast observance in the NT
1 cor 5:8
1 cor 11:1 - imitate Paul as he imitates Christ
1 cor 11:20-33 - instructions to gentiles for how to keep passover
1 thess 1:6, 2:14 - Gentile church to be imitator of churches in Judea
Acts 20:6 - Days of unleavened Bread kept in gentile city
Acts 20:16 - Paul hurrys to Jerusalem for Pentecost

The Church is now Gods temple, he now dwells in us.
Acts 7:48, 17:25
1 cor 3:16
2 cor 6:16

We are training to be kings and priests
1 peter 2:5, 2:9
rev 2:26, 5:10

We offer spiritual sacrifices to God, not animal sacrifices
Rom 12:1
Phil 2:17, 4:18
Heb 13:5

Some instruction on how to keep the Holy Days
http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/booklets/the-holy-days-gods-master-plan

Sabbath day observance in Acts
Acts 13:44, 17:2, 17:16, 16:13

 

[TomorrowsWorld]

Prove that Christians are required to observe feast days. Pray tell us how we are to observe the feasts properly without the Temple and the Levites? If we are to keep the feasts as Jesus did how about wearing robes with tassels and submit to all of the laws of Torah as Jesus did? Why stop at a half hearted attempt to observe days meant only for Israel?

They were not meant for only Israel
Ex 12:19 - Aliens to keep Feast of Unleavened Bread
Lev 23:2 " ... These are MY feast... They belong to God. Who revealed them to Israel.
in the millennium they will be kept by gentile nations and the whole world
Zekeriah 14:16-19
Isaiah 66:23
Isaiah 56:1-7

The Church is also the Israel of God
Galatians 6:16
Rom 9:6

 

[Tiny Bible]

It's interesting that you and DarkHorseForever are both newbies and you both start threads USING ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. Which in post and chat etiquette is equal to SCREAMING!

 

[bugkiller]

Feast observance in the NT
1 cor 5:8
1 cor 11:1 - imitate Paul as he imitates Christ
1 cor 11:20-33 - instructions to gentiles for how to keep passover
1 thess 1:6, 2:14 - Gentile church to be imitator of churches in Judea
Acts 20:6 - Days of unleavened Bread kept in gentile city
Acts 20:16 - Paul hurrys to Jerusalem for Pentecost

The Church is now Gods temple, he now dwells in us.
Acts 7:48, 17:25
1 cor 3:16
2 cor 6:16

We are training to be kings and priests
1 peter 2:5, 2:9
rev 2:26, 5:10

We offer spiritual sacrifices to God, not animal sacrifices
Rom 12:1
Phil 2:17, 4:18
Heb 13:5

Some instruction on how to keep the Holy Days
http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/booklets/the-holy-days-gods-master-plan

Sabbath day observance in Acts
Acts 13:44, 17:2, 17:16, 16:13

Do you observe these feasts? Please tell us in detail how you do this.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

They were not meant for only Israel
Ex 12:19 - Aliens to keep Feast of Unleavened Bread

The verse doesn't say nor imply that.

Lev 23:2 " ... These are MY feast... They belong to God. Who revealed them to Israel.
in the millennium they will be kept by gentile nations and the whole world

Who did God reveal what to?

Zekeriah 14:16-19
Isaiah 66:23
Isaiah 56:1-7

The Church is also the Israel of God
Galatians 6:16

No sir! your verse doesn't make such a statement. Here's the verse to support my claim -

And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Rom 9:6

Nothing more than misusing a passage. nothing new.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Prove it straight from the pages of your own Bible! What are the most important days on Christian calendar?
What do those days have to do with the plan of God?
What days did Christ observe?
Does it really make a difference what days you keep?

See more at: http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/booklets/the-holy-days-gods-master-plan#sthash.6sGH1Ury.dpuf

Telecast: http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/the-biblical-holy-days-part-1

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/the-biblical-holy-days-part-2

Not according to Rom 14 and Col 2.

bugkiller

 

[SAAN]

Ive been over this before many times, but here is proof they were still keeping the Feast Days years after Jesus death.

1 Corinthians 11:1
1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

-Paul says we are to imitate him like he did Christ, so lets see what Paul did. Here are examples of 5 of the 7 feasts being kept.


Day of Pentecost
Acts 2:1
2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place.

-How did the receive the holy spirit after Jesus died? They were observing the Day of Pentecost that Sunday.

Acts 20:16
16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the Day of Pentecost.

-Paul was hurrying to observe this feast and Jesus has been dead for years.

1 Corinthians 16:8
8 But I will tarry in Ephesus until Pentecost.

-Paul is keeping this feast in Ephesus.

Passover and Unleavened Bread
Acts 20:6(NKJV)
6 But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days.

-Why even mention Unleavened Bread, if it was abolished and no longer being observed. Acts 12:1-4
12 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.-Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened bread

1 Corinthians 5:7-8
7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.[a] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

-Paul here is telling the New Testament Christians to keep the Passover and Unleavened bread

1 Corinthians 11:23-25
23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat;[a] this is My body which is broken[b] for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

-Paul is describing the New Testament Passover service, that Jesus established with His disciples on the night before His crucifixion. From the above passages we see that Paul commanded the Gentiles in the city of Corinth to keep Gods Holy Days.

Acts 12:1-4
12 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.

-Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened bread


Feast of Tabernacles
Acts 18:20-21
20 When they asked him to stay a longer time with them, he did not consent, 21 but took leave of them, saying, “I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus.

The Day of Atonement
Acts 27:9-10
9 Now when much time had been spent, and sailing was now dangerous because the Fast was already over, Paul advised them, 10 saying, “Men, I perceive that this voyage will end with disaster and much loss, not only of the cargo and ship, but also our lives.”

-Paul is referring to the Fast on the Day of Atonement. Luke wrote the book of Acts many years after Christ’s death and he referred to the Day of Atonement calling it the “Fast”




So why was Paul still observing all of these Feasts years after Christ death, if they were abolished and no longer needed?

Wouldnt Paul have received the revelations on the road to Damascus, when Jesus revealed himself to him that they were no longer needed?

 

[Bob S]

Ive been over this before many times, but here is proof they were still keeping the Feast Days years after Jesus death.

They may have been keeping, we really do not know why they attended the feasts. What we do know is that they didn't have to observe days.

1 Corinthians 11:1
1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

-Paul says we are to imitate him like he did Christ, so lets see what Paul did. Here are examples of 5 of the 7 feasts being kept.

Just before that Paul wrote:31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.

Paul's interest was to save man wherever he was. He did it at festivals, in Sabbaths or any place he could get a gathering. Meeting at certain places at certain times certainly didn't mean he was obligated to do so. We are not under the law of Moses my friend. What Paul did does not in any way obligate Christians to do the same . This should answer all your arguments below.

Day of Pentecost
Acts 2:1
2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place.

-How did the receive the holy spirit after Jesus died? They were observing the Day of Pentecost that Sunday.

Acts 20:16
16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the Day of Pentecost.

-Paul was hurrying to observe this feast and Jesus has been dead for years.

1 Corinthians 16:8
8 But I will tarry in Ephesus until Pentecost.

-Paul is keeping this feast in Ephesus.

Passover and Unleavened Bread
Acts 20:6(NKJV)
6 But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days.

-Why even mention Unleavened Bread, if it was abolished and no longer being observed. Acts 12:1-4
12 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.-Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened bread

1 Corinthians 5:7-8
7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.[a] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

-Paul here is telling the New Testament Christians to keep the Passover and Unleavened bread

1 Corinthians 11:23-25
23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat;[a] this is My body which is broken[b] for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

-Paul is describing the New Testament Passover service, that Jesus established with His disciples on the night before His crucifixion. From the above passages we see that Paul commanded the Gentiles in the city of Corinth to keep Gods Holy Days.

Acts 12:1-4
12 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.

-Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened bread


Feast of Tabernacles
Acts 18:20-21
20 When they asked him to stay a longer time with them, he did not consent, 21 but took leave of them, saying, “I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus.

The Day of Atonement
Acts 27:9-10
9 Now when much time had been spent, and sailing was now dangerous because the Fast was already over, Paul advised them, 10 saying, “Men, I perceive that this voyage will end with disaster and much loss, not only of the cargo and ship, but also our lives.”

-Paul is referring to the Fast on the Day of Atonement. Luke wrote the book of Acts many years after Christ’s death and he referred to the Day of Atonement calling it the “Fast”

So why was Paul still observing all of these Feasts years after Christ death, if they were abolished and no longer needed?

Wouldn't Paul have received the revelations on the road to Damascus, when Jesus revealed himself to him that they were no longer needed?

Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

I am not saying you are judging me for not observing the Israelite only ritual feast days, but you who claim the Messianic faith is the true faith are not to tell us in Babylon to observe the feast days, new moons or weekly Sabbaths, fair enough? If I were in the inner circle and could hear what you think of us outsiders I bet I would get an ear full. A Messianic has never approached me personally for conversion purposes so I will ask you the following: Now please be honest, do you believe because we non Messianic believers who do not keep days we will be lost? In other terms is not keeping days a salvational issue? Do I love God any less because I don't observe days given only to Israel and never to Gentiles?

 

[SAAN]

They may have been keeping, we really do not know why they attended the feasts. What we do know is that they didn't have to observe days.


Just before that Paul wrote:31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.

Paul's interest was to save man wherever he was. He did it at festivals, in Sabbaths or any place he could get a gathering. Meeting at certain places at certain times certainly didn't mean he was obligated to do so. We are not under the law of Moses my friend. What Paul did does not in any way obligate Christians to do the same . This should answer all your arguments below.







Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

I am not saying you are judging me for not observing the Israelite only ritual feast days, but you who claim the Messianic faith is the true faith are not to tell us in Babylon to observe the feast days, new moons or weekly Sabbaths, fair enough? If I were in the inner circle and could hear what you think of us outsiders I bet I would get an ear full. A Messianic has never approached me personally for conversion purposes so I will ask you the following: Now please be honest, do you believe because we non Messianic believers who do not keep days we will be lost? In other terms is not keeping days a salvational issue? Do I love God any less because I don't observe days given only to Israel and never to Gentiles?

Im not Messianic, but I know many and have my fair share of condemnation thrown at me about the Sabbath, Feats Days Dietary, The Name, Rapture, saying Amen, and more and even that im wrong for having dinner with my family on Christmas day, even though I dont really care much for Xmas now a days. Hebrew Israelites are the worst with this.

I dont think its a Salvation issue in regards to the Sabbath or Feast days, since we are saved by grace through faith in Christ, but one thing I have come to just admit after studying those Feast Days are, that why do we keep Easter & Xmas that arent in the bible with no problem at all, yet will put up a full fight when asked about the Feast Days of the bible, when God specifically said they are his days and not just for the Jews.

The verses I provided was just admitting that they still kept the Feast Days after the death of Christ because they were never abolished. Just like in Acts, why even mention Unleavened Bread if they were not keeping that still or it was abolished. We as Christians dont keep the Feats now because Christianity and Judaism didnt get along in the 1st century and Christianity branched off and started to do it own thing and do substitutes instead or whatever Rome commanded. So what we think we are doing biblicaly, are more RCC traditions than biblical traditions. At this point in history, none of this will be straighten until Christ returns.

 

[Bob S]

They were not meant for only Israel
Ex 12:19 - Aliens to keep Feast of Unleavened Bread

19 For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses. And anyone, whether foreigner or native-born, who eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off from the community of Israel.

I am sorry but that is not an answer. Foreigner born was someone who had converted to the faith. There is nothing in the scripture that would indicate that they were aliens. Did you copy that from your beliefs> If you did how about setting them straight.

Lev 23:2 " ... These are MY feast... They belong to God. Who revealed them to Israel.

2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the Lord, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.
I like to have the verses we are referring to so that we can really see why the person is using them and see if they really do tell the answer to what we are discussing. Is that too hard for you to do?
Moses was to proclaim the feasts to the Israelites. The feasts were part of the Torah covenant. The Israelites broke the covenant, so the feasts that God said to keep as part of the covenant ceased when He ended the covenant. We Christians are under a new covenant, not the Mosaic one.

in the millennium they will be kept by gentile nations and the whole world
Zechariah 14:16-19 16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

Very interesting, I don't remember ever studying those verses. You quoted those verses as telling us that the feasts will be kept by all gentile nations. I don't see that at all. Did you read those verses before pasting the book, chapter and verses? If you had you would have known it was not all nations of the World that attached Jerusalem. My, you should be paying me to clean up you posts. Your misinformation just might lead someone down the wrong road. You wouldn't want that would you?

Are you a survivor from a nation that attacked Jerusalem? If you are do you go up year after year to worship the King. Where is "up' and where is the King? Oh, you will say, it is something we will do in Heaven. Lets look at the verses in context and see if this rings of Heaven. 16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. This will take place in Heaven? No my friend you took verses out of context, tried to make us believe, something that is not in context to try to prove a preconceived point. I am sorry but you didn't come close to answering my question. Care to try again?

 

[Bob S]

Im not Messianic,

I apologize for branding you something you are not. You seem to have some similar beliefs.

but I know many and have my fair share of condemnation thrown at me about the Sabbath, Feats Days Dietary, The Name, Rapture, saying Amen, and more and even that im wrong for having dinner with my family on Christmas day, even though I dont really care much for Xmas now a days. Hebrew Israelites are the worst with this.

I have had the same experience when I was a SDA. Our families didn't understand. We felt kinda out of place many times.

I dont think its a Salvation issue in regards to the Sabbath or Feast days, since we are saved by grace through faith in Christ, but one thing I have come to just admit after studying those Feast Days are, that why do we keep Easter & Xmas that arent in the bible with no problem at all, yet will put up a full fight when asked about the Feast Days of the bible, when God specifically said they are his days and not just for the Jews.

Many of us Christians do not "keep" the days you quoted, but I do get a blessing having all my children and grand children come at Christmas. We all have time off from work and celebrate the special time of year honoring the birth of our Savior. I really do love the beautiful hymns written for the season. The same goes for Easter. My thought is Jesus never asked us to celebrate His berth or His resurrection. The fact is none of us ever ask to have our birthdays celebrated, but the gesture is certainly appreciated isn't it. It is a wonderful thing to do something nice for someone else. I believe Jesus is especially appreciative because we have seasons of celebrations for Him and I want to emphasize He didn't even ask. On the other hand, God told the Israelites to honor all His feasts. If they didn't it was not pleasant.

The verses I provided was just admitting that they still kept the Feast Days after the death of Christ because they were never abolished.

Lets debate this. When a covenant is made such as the one God wrote asking the Israelites to do all the things God wanted done (it was certainly not a negotiable covenant) the people who just came out of the bondage of people ruling over them for 400 years were not ready to set up their own government. God made some rules that may not have been necessary to make if they had been ruling themselves.

The Israelites could not or did not for whatever reason keep their end of the covenant, so God dissolved the covenant. It is only a living covenant if both parties live up to the agreement. Paul called the covenant "The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face." That signals to me that there is a new way. The old way ended at the Cross. Since then we are under the new way. The new way never mentions that we have to observe the ritual days of the old. The old has since passed, but it took 70 years for the Temple was destroyed and the whole system of a nation to disintegrate. The system that the Jews belong to since the Temple worship is nothing like it was before. Again, it took 70 years after Jesus death on the Cross before the system came to a close. I don't know positively why some new Christians did what they did, but after the temple was destroyed history reveals a tremendous change.

 

[bugkiller]

Ive been over this before many times, but here is proof they were still keeping the Feast Days years after Jesus death.

1 Corinthians 11:1
1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

-Paul says we are to imitate him like he did Christ, so lets see what Paul did. Here are examples of 5 of the 7 feasts being kept.


Day of Pentecost
Acts 2:1
2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place.

-How did the receive the holy spirit after Jesus died? They were observing the Day of Pentecost that Sunday.

Acts 20:16
16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the Day of Pentecost.

-Paul was hurrying to observe this feast and Jesus has been dead for years.

1 Corinthians 16:8
8 But I will tarry in Ephesus until Pentecost.

-Paul is keeping this feast in Ephesus.

Passover and Unleavened Bread
Acts 20:6(NKJV)
6 But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days.

-Why even mention Unleavened Bread, if it was abolished and no longer being observed. Acts 12:1-4
12 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.-Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened bread

1 Corinthians 5:7-8
7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.[a] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

-Paul here is telling the New Testament Christians to keep the Passover and Unleavened bread

1 Corinthians 11:23-25
23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat;[a] this is My body which is broken[b] for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

-Paul is describing the New Testament Passover service, that Jesus established with His disciples on the night before His crucifixion. From the above passages we see that Paul commanded the Gentiles in the city of Corinth to keep Gods Holy Days.

Acts 12:1-4
12 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.

-Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened bread


Feast of Tabernacles
Acts 18:20-21
20 When they asked him to stay a longer time with them, he did not consent, 21 but took leave of them, saying, “I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus.

The Day of Atonement
Acts 27:9-10
9 Now when much time had been spent, and sailing was now dangerous because the Fast was already over, Paul advised them, 10 saying, “Men, I perceive that this voyage will end with disaster and much loss, not only of the cargo and ship, but also our lives.”

-Paul is referring to the Fast on the Day of Atonement. Luke wrote the book of Acts many years after Christ’s death and he referred to the Day of Atonement calling it the “Fast”




So why was Paul still observing all of these Feasts years after Christ death, if they were abolished and no longer needed?

Wouldnt Paul have received the revelations on the road to Damascus, when Jesus revealed himself to him that they were no longer needed?

What you have is Jewish Christians who haven't made a fulll transition to the NC. This doesn't happen over night. Besides Paul's purpose of being at the feast isn't to keep it but evangelize the Jews from all over the world. Rom 1:16 for instance bears Paul's testimony about reaching the Jew.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

19 For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses. And anyone, whether foreigner or native-born, who eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off from the community of Israel.

I am sorry but that is not an answer. Foreigner born was someone who had converted to the faith. There is nothing in the scripture that would indicate that they were aliens. Did you copy that from your beliefs> If you did how about setting them straight.


2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the Lord, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.
I like to have the verses we are referring to so that we can really see why the person is using them and see if they really do tell the answer to what we are discussing. Is that too hard for you to do?
Moses was to proclaim the feasts to the Israelites. The feasts were part of the Torah covenant. The Israelites broke the covenant, so the feasts that God said to keep as part of the covenant ceased when He ended the covenant. We Christians are under a new covenant, not the Mosaic one.


Very interesting, I don't remember ever studying those verses. You quoted those verses as telling us that the feasts will be kept by all gentile nations. I don't see that at all. Did you read those verses before pasting the book, chapter and verses? If you had you would have known it was not all nations of the World that attached Jerusalem. My, you should be paying me to clean up you posts. Your misinformation just might lead someone down the wrong road. You wouldn't want that would you?

Are you a survivor from a nation that attacked Jerusalem? If you are do you go up year after year to worship the King. Where is "up' and where is the King? Oh, you will say, it is something we will do in Heaven. Lets look at the verses in context and see if this rings of Heaven. 16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. This will take place in Heaven? No my friend you took verses out of context, tried to make us believe, something that is not in context to try to prove a preconceived point. I am sorry but you didn't come close to answering my question. Care to try again?

Ex 12:48 says they are no longer a foreigner but as one born in the land (native).

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I apologize for branding you something you are not. You seem to have some similar beliefs.


I have had the same experience when I was a SDA. Our families didn't understand. We felt kinda out of place many times.


Many of us Christians do not "keep" the days you quoted, but I do get a blessing having all my children and grand children come at Christmas. We all have time off from work and celebrate the special time of year honoring the birth of our Savior. I really do love the beautiful hymns written for the season. The same goes for Easter. My thought is Jesus never asked us to celebrate His berth or His resurrection. The fact is none of us ever ask to have our birthdays celebrated, but the gesture is certainly appreciated isn't it. It is a wonderful thing to do something nice for someone else. I believe Jesus is especially appreciative because we have seasons of celebrations for Him and I want to emphasize He didn't even ask. On the other hand, God told the Israelites to honor all His feasts. If they didn't it was not pleasant.

Lets debate this. When a covenant is made such as the one God wrote asking the Israelites to do all the things God wanted done (it was certainly not a negotiable covenant) the people who just came out of the bondage of people ruling over them for 400 years were not ready to set up their own government. God made some rules that may not have been necessary to make if they had been ruling themselves.

The Israelites could not or did not for whatever reason keep their end of the covenant, so God dissolved the covenant. It is only a living covenant if both parties live up to the agreement. Paul called the covenant "The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face." That signals to me that there is a new way. The old way ended at the Cross. Since then we are under the new way. The new way never mentions that we have to observe the ritual days of the old. The old has since passed, but it took 70 years for the Temple was destroyed and the whole system of a nation to disintegrate. The system that the Jews belong to since the Temple worship is nothing like it was before. Again, it took 70 years after Jesus death on the Cross before the system came to a close. I don't know positively why some new Christians did what they did, but after the temple was destroyed history reveals a tremendous change.

Not only that but Paul calls the OC a dead husband in Rom 7. So to try and keep it is the same as necrophilia.

bugkiller

 

[SAAN]

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Lets debate this. When a covenant is made such as the one God wrote asking the Israelites to do all the things God wanted done (it was certainly not a negotiable covenant) the people who just came out of the bondage of people ruling over them for 400 years were not ready to set up their own government. God made some rules that may not have been necessary to make if they had been ruling themselves.

The Israelites could not or did not for whatever reason keep their end of the covenant, so God dissolved the covenant. It is only a living covenant if both parties live up to the agreement. Paul called the covenant "The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face." That signals to me that there is a new way. The old way ended at the Cross. Since then we are under the new way. The new way never mentions that we have to observe the ritual days of the old. The old has since passed, but it took 70 years for the Temple was destroyed and the whole system of a nation to disintegrate. The system that the Jews belong to since the Temple worship is nothing like it was before. Again, it took 70 years after Jesus death on the Cross before the system came to a close. I don't know positively why some new Christians did what they did, but after the temple was destroyed history reveals a tremendous change.

I still think this is more of a Christianity vs Judaism beef in which early Christianity didnt want anything to do with Judaism and tried to separate its ways from theirs more than the temple being destroyed, so now everything is abolished.

And say you are correct in which the temple destroyed is a end, after that, what is the standard to live by since for 4000 years the commandments are what have been required to followers of God. Jesus was saying if you love him, keep the commandments, so how could they all of a sudden say oh well after the temple was down.

God also didnt say, go create your own holidays from merged paganism and the bible to keep all parties happy too. Its amazing how many Christians will defend the Easter bunny and Easter egg hunts in the coming months, even though neither have anything to do with Christ, but the RCC will have some nonsense on their webpages to try to make it okay.

 

[TomorrowsWorld]

They may have been keeping, we really do not know why they attended the feasts. What we do know is that they didn't have to observe days.


Just before that Paul wrote:31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.

Paul's interest was to save man wherever he was. He did it at festivals, in Sabbaths or any place he could get a gathering. Meeting at certain places at certain times certainly didn't mean he was obligated to do so. We are not under the law of Moses my friend. What Paul did does not in any way obligate Christians to do the same . This should answer all your arguments below.







Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

I am not saying you are judging me for not observing the Israelite only ritual feast days, but you who claim the Messianic faith is the true faith are not to tell us in Babylon to observe the feast days, new moons or weekly Sabbaths, fair enough? If I were in the inner circle and could hear what you think of us outsiders I bet I would get an ear full. A Messianic has never approached me personally for conversion purposes so I will ask you the following: Now please be honest, do you believe because we non Messianic believers who do not keep days we will be lost? In other terms is not keeping days a salvational issue? Do I love God any less because I don't observe days given only to Israel and never to Gentiles?

The nations who attack Christ at His return will come worship in Jerusalem yes, because Christ is bringing a LITERAL kingdom TO THE EARTH.. we DO NOT reign with Christ in heaven, no where in your Bible does it say that. You need to look at that scripture with Isaiah 66:23

You are mistaken because the Church is the Israel of God. We're a spiritual body, some of the "natural" branches were broken off so gentiles could be grafted in.
Romans 9:6
Romans 2:28
God's law NEVER changed. Isaiah 42:21. Christ came to "Magnify" it. The "law of Moses" is not Gods 10 commandments. The Holy days are part of the 4th commandment, to Honour God by keeping His Sabbaths Holy. Paul gives us a direct command in Hebrews 4:9

New International Version
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;
the word "rest" in Sabatismos.

You are also MISTAKEN again, ALL nations WILL come worship Christ in Jerusalem.
Isaiah 66:23
New International Version
From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the LORD.

The reward of the saved is NOT going to heaven. No where in your Bible does it say that. We "inherit the earth"
matthew 5:5
matthew 6:10 "your kingdom come... where? ON EARTH, as it is in heaven."
rev 2:26
rev 5:10
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You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth."

The Bible tells us VERY plainly what Love for God is. We must Love God in the manner He tells us to love Him.
1 John 5:3
New International Version
In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome

You can't simply do away with the 4th commandment, unless you're going to to away with the other 9 as well. If the Sabbath is done away, then so is the command against murder, and theft, and idolatry...

 

[TomorrowsWorld]

Not only that but Paul calls the OC a dead husband in Rom 7. So to try and keep it is the same as necrophilia.

bugkiller

In Romans 7, Paul is saying you are dead to breaking the law! He is saying the you were like a woman and the SIN was your husband. Now we aren't married to that sin, we are married to Christ.

 

[TomorrowsWorld]

In Romans 7, Paul is saying you are dead to breaking the law! He is saying the you were like a woman and the SIN was your husband. Now we aren't married to that sin, we are married to Christ.

you have to KNOW WHAT SIN IS! SIN IS THE BREAKING OF THE LAW!
We're told to REPENT of sin. Without a law we don't have the knowledge of sin.

New International Version
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

Romans 3:31
Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the law!

Paul speaks of many different laws in Romans, to fully understand we need a DEEP understanding of how to define each type of law. THe expression "works of the law" is NOT referring to the 10 commandments... it's a phrase that refers to the ORAL unstructions of Talmud, MANMADE instructions that the Jews ADDED to Gods commandments.