because there was a WHOLE group who said "THEY ARE DRUNK" AND the usage of plural and sing pronouns paints a different picture.
this is often ued as a justification by the charismatics for their "drunk in the spirit" manifestations.
the MANY that didn't understand, as with too many today WERE NOT GIVEN EARS TO HEAR.
Appeal to people who have been delivered ONLY proves that SOME is errant, upon which we agree, BUT NOT THAT ALL ARE ERRANT.
at least we agree there are counterfeits.
shouldn't EVERYONE involved in this movement take it is a sign that there are dangers? and that satan is able to counterfeit moves of God?
i'd be curious to know which renowned Charismatics you believe are genuine.
That is a false form of logic called the incomplete comparison, another called cherry picking, another called the composition fallacy (where truths about the whole are made authoritatively based on parts), another called the spot-light fallacy and there are a few others also .
SEMANTICS (fancy semantics i might add...but semantics just obscures the truth). if you like that stuff, be my guest.
mainstream Christianity has always considered this stuff to be aberrations, whether you want to admit it or not.
i can provide the history of the Pentecostal Movement (not pretty)...but if you don't understand Scripture and what is being described, and what REALLY happened at Pentecost, you won't read what i post.
The Holy Spirit is NOT the authour of confusion; nor does He knock people over backwards (when the angels or The angel of The Lord appear, people fall ON THEIR FACES in fear, pass out in terror and lay there in a coma until they are touched and calmed); nor does He provide extra-biblical revelation from the lips of certain congregational members (usually in relation to THEIR LIVES, THEIR CHURCH, THEIR FUTURES)....."Thus saith the lord" is a sacred prophetic formula uttered by the prophets of the days past.....in these last days, God SPEAKS TO US THROUGH HIS SON.
Written Word quickened by The Spirit....SOLA SCRIPTURA.
cherry picking? nope.
i think the whole thing is a delusion. sorry if that offends you.
please list examples from Historic Christianity (we will find a scant few, they were nearly all condemned as heretics) who manifested these things or uttered prophecies (extra-biblical revelation): that were REAL AND PROVEN SO (DON'T BOTHER WITH CATHOLICISM PLEASE).
i take the following warnings (just a sample) seriously.
Deuteronomy 13:3
Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams:
for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Revelation 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil:
and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and
false prophets, and
shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
you're just proving what most know, there are fakes, and false apostles..WE KNOW THAT..
