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Dang. I have to go, just remembered a passage I need to obey.
No , the one i had remembered, (wish i could forget) lol is in proverbs.FTW!Lemme guess:
2 Tim 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid"
lol.Churning butter, and wringing a nose brings forth blood - that one?
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[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]This is how Strong's defines glossa but Paul also tells us of the tongues of angels which is not confined to the word nation.
When you understand that there is a difference between gibberish, which is probably at work in many churches which claim to use tongues, and true tongues given through the Holy Spirit.
Sure. those who speak that language.
This is why most Greek scholars see 1 Cor 14 as unintelligible speech . . . even cessationist scholars . . . they would just say it isnt so any more.
Try using a better lexicon. Kittles Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (10 vol.s) states that ecstatic speech is one of the known usages of glossa. Sorry.
It is why Paul states "tongues of angels" . . . and the usage in the Testament of Job.
Not cut and dry. Ecstatic unintelligble speech is well within the normal usage of the term.
I walk into a cultural hub like corinth (which saw FOREIGN LANGUAGES ALL THE TIME OF THE KNOWN WORLD) and walk into a room of people speaking a foreign language . . . no, hardly wil I say "ya'll are psycho" . . . I would say "hey, what is this guy sayin?" . . . but no allegations of being crazy.
I hate having to do this every so often . . . but
Here is the case for what was spoke, the common "unintelligible speech" that we hear in tongue speak . . . and that the miracle was more in the hearing than in the speaking.
Not Spiritual gifts, that's for sure! You don't get them by acting childish.
You pretend like you know this stuff?!? This is why you need DISCIPLESHIP:
1 Cor 14:4 He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself"
Just blew all your theology full of holes. No apologies, it's good for us when it happens.
Proverbs 24:6 "in multitude of counsellors [there is] safety." Comparing to "koinonia," which is what I'm describing, you are choosing to - Biblical terms here - be an idiot. Vis
You see no such thing in me, or if you think you do you owe specifics. There's simply LOTS of Scripture you're not accounting for in your understanding, so far. Which is to be expected. What about
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection.
You will note this is not something that has come, but something we are to "go on unto." I agree any church (note the small c) that would change you from simple Bible belief to nonsense, is something to avoid. I'm also aware that in EU it's hard to find a decent Church. The effort on your part to look is absolutely necessary, and is the way Christianity has ALWAYS been. Even the 70 (first bunch of Disciples sent out after the 12) were sent out 2 x 2.
DISCIPLESHIP changes you from simpleton Bible belief to "a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:" (Ephesians 4:13)
You don't have that, and you're forsaking the very means given in context. Software re-write needed? No guilt trip here, but no compromising the Truth either. Find Scripture to support your position - go ahead, I dare you
Oh. I thought you were asensible Christian there for a minute.
Can you find scripture where angels are talking something other than an earthly language?
Or maybe we should infer what all orthodox scholars have inferred for CENTURIES regarding 'tongues o angels'...that it is use of the spoken word with the highest possible eloquence, and power? Ya know, just if you wanna stay grounded?
If not, can you tell me the difference between gibberish and true tongues please. I've asked several people this and no answers yet.
But those who speak that language didn't hear it coz they were a thousand miles away. So no-one (without exception) understood what I said. I've edified ONLY myself and spoken ONLY to God
Correct or not. (please be honest)
Your entire case for performing ridiculous unbiblical practices (which are actually kundalini arts) rests on a desperate semantics juggle in Corinthians. You can stop this stuff. It can be done. I've convinced someone on a different thread to renounce this demonic activity and you can too renounce it too!
Please link me to respected scholarly work that defines 'tongues' as gibberish.
But those who speak that language didn't hear it coz they were a thousand miles away. So no-one (without exception) understood what I said. I've edified ONLY myself and spoken ONLY to God
(which are actually kundalini arts)
Your entire case for performing ridiculous unbiblical practices (which are actually kundalini arts) rests on a desperate semantics juggle in Corinthians. You can stop this stuff. It can be done. I've convinced someone on a different thread to renounce this demonic activity and you can too renounce it too!
Please link me to respected scholarly work that defines 'tongues' as gibberish.
Kittles? Cool....and only $300 dollars to buy!
Please post exactly what your bargain lexicon says about 'tongues' being unintelligable language. Word for word if you will.
Higher state of Earthly language use. Obviously. Not gibberish. Can you show me where angels are unintelligable in the Bible?
But why only in the growing Pente/Charis circles?
Kittles? Cool....and only $300 dollars to buy!
Please post exactly what your bargain lexicon says about 'tongues' being unintelligable language. Word for word if you will.
Higher state of Earthly language use. Obviously. Not gibberish. Can you show me where angels are unintelligable in the Bible?
But why only in the growing Pente/Charis circles?
And if you knew for a fact that those he taught didn't speak the foreign tongue that he was teaching with...would you think him a little odd for continuing in that tongue?
Please be honest.
Can you find scripture where angels are talking something other than an earthly language?
Or maybe we should infer what all orthodox scholars have inferred for CENTURIES regarding 'tongues o angels'...that it is use of the spoken word with the highest possible eloquence, and power?
How would you know for a fact if your a stranger? That is what the text speaks of.
Oudeis means NO ONE . . . NO ONE. Sorry.
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