That Boat Don't Float!!

Nathan Poe · May 29, 2010

AV1611VET said:
These people want us to provide enough data for our belief that it can be what they call 'falsifiable'.

Why? in my opinion?

So they can falsify it, of course.

But God is much smarter than that.

His miracles cannot be falsified, as they aren't channeled through science.

What miracles? The ones that didn't happen?

AV1611VET · May 29, 2010

Nathan Poe said:
Indeed -- it used to provide endless luls before it became tedious.

Nathan Poe said:
What miracles? The ones that didn't happen?

You do know there's new office furniture for those who just sit and drool, don't you?

Nathan Poe · May 29, 2010

AV1611VET said:
You do know there's new office furniture for those who just sit and drool, don't you?

Tell me, do you find it comfortable?

SkyWriting · May 29, 2010

JustMeSee said:
Reality can take a hike as far as He is concerned.

Reality is a relatively new word in English and is not as well founded as you may think. Current nonlocality research says that reality does not exist until observed.

Nathan Poe · May 29, 2010

SkyWriting said:
Reality is a relatively new word in English and is not as well founded as you may think. Current nonlocality research says that reality does not exist until observed.

So reality is whatever you say it is, eh?

Sorry if the rest of us choose not to take a hit off that.

AV1611VET · May 29, 2010

Nathan Poe said:
Sorry if the rest of us choose not to take a hit off that.

Some did though -- and paid with their lives for it -- like Christa Mcauliff.

Just curious though: did those who lived back in the days of phlogiston live in the same reality as we do now?

Tomatoman · May 29, 2010

I have a feeling skywriting may be reading a religious interpretation into Young's double slit experiment.

YouTube - Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment

JustMeSee · May 29, 2010

Tomatoman said:
I have a feeling skywriting may be reading a religious interpretation into Young's double slit experiment.

YouTube - Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment

INTERESTING.

Catherineanne · May 30, 2010

SkyWriting said:
Reality is a relatively new word in English and is not as well founded as you may think. Current nonlocality research says that reality does not exist until observed.

Depends what you mean by 'relatively new'.

Shakespeare uses the word 'real' in All's Well that Ends Well (1604), and 'reality' is even older; the OED cites usage from 1550.

Meanwhile, Plato (c428 - 348BC) discussed reality at great depth, in his theory of the forms, and even discussed possible universes, of which he postulated that this one is NOT the real one, but merely a copy.

Therefore, you appear to be talking twaddle once again.

SkyWriting · May 30, 2010

Catherineanne said:
Depends what you mean by 'relatively new'.

Shakespeare uses the word 'real' in All's Well that Ends Well (1604), and 'reality' is even older; the OED cites usage from 1550...

Old English being used in the 5th century.
Firstusage of the word "reality" found in 15th century.
This being 21st century.

You're right again. It all depends.
I'm sure it makes a difference if this is the real universe or "merely a copy" of the real one too.

SkyWriting · May 30, 2010

Tomatoman said:
I have a feeling skywriting may be reading a religious interpretation into Young's double slit experiment.

Science has characteristics that mirror any definition of religion.
The only exception being the lack of recognition as a religion.

Belk · May 30, 2010

SkyWriting said:
"Science" has characteristics that mirror any definition of religion.
The only exception being the lack of recognition as a religion.

Well then, it's a good thing we use science and not "Science".

Nathan Poe · May 30, 2010

have the fundies truly abandoned all pretense of being constructive, and have resigned themselves to dragging everything they envy down to their own level?

SkyWriting · May 30, 2010

Belk said:
Well then, it's a good thing we use science and not "Science".

If only you knew what goes on in R&D.
Most of the time we don't have time to figure out why something is happening. Cell Phones are based on quantum physics processes we don't have explanations for. Just results.

Hespera · May 30, 2010

Nathan Poe said:
have the fundies truly abandoned all pretense of being constructive, and have resigned themselves to dragging everything they envy down to their own level?

They cannot to save their lives produce a data point to support their superstition, so of course they try something else.

All they have really to say is "my religion is better than your religion".

That was a poor debate in 4th grade.

One thing that is funny is that to a fundie all religion but their own is a superstition, ie, based on nothing but imagination.

so they are very close to the truth about religion. 99.999% of the way.
All they need is to realize their religion is also a superstition and they will be free.

Science for those who didnt figure it out yet, is based on hard work and actual data. Religion is based on imagination.

Catherineanne · May 31, 2010

SkyWriting said:
Old English being used in the 5th century.
Firstusage of the word "reality" found in 15th century.
This being 21st century.

Old English is not 5th Century. It post dates the influx of the Angles and the Saxons, which began in the 5th Century but did not immediately exclude Celtic speaking peoples. The most common Fifth Century language would have been a Celtic variant or a Romano British version of Latin. Educated people would have understood both.

The development of Old English from a combination of Anglo Saxon and extant languages, and its spread across Britain, took many centuries. Examples of Old English that we have today depend on two factors; the spread of literacy during a period of relative stability and peace, and the change from writing purely in Latin to writing in Old English as well. They therefore post date Alfred the Great, who is rightly known as the Father of the English Language.

Meanwhile this might be the 21st century, but there are still plenty of people around who have studied, and who can read and understand Old English, as well as the Middle, Modern and New variants.

Meanwhile, the reason why 'reality' is first found in the 15th century is that this is when this particular word was first written down. We do not know how long before that it was used orally; it could have been ten years, or twenty, or just five minutes.

This does not mean that the Anglo Saxons did not have a concept of reality, or a word for it. I am pretty sure they did. In Latin the term used would be veritas, meaning truth. I don't imagine there is any language on earth that cannot distinguish between that which is true and that which is not, or that does not have words to enable them to do so.

Old English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're right again. It all depends.
I'm sure it makes a difference if this is the real universe or "merely a copy" of the real one too.

In Christian terms, this is the real one, but it is certainly not all that exists. There is a lot of congruence with the thinking of Plato et al.

Catherineanne · May 31, 2010

Hespera said:
Science for those who didnt figure it out yet, is based on hard work and actual data. Religion is based on imagination.

Both of these descriptions are inadequate.

Nice going.

Hespera · May 31, 2010

Catherineanne said:
Both of these descriptions are inadequate.

Nice going.

"Inadequate"? What more is there to say?

or is xtianity the only religion on earth that isnt based on imagination?

If so, nice going! you were lucky like a lottery winner, to be in the one true faith.

AV1611VET · May 31, 2010

Hespera said:
or is xtianity the only religion on earth that isnt based on imagination?

Yup.

2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

solja247 · May 31, 2010

Religion is based on imagination.

Religion is based on assumptions, philosophy and theology.

However, God is constant. Look at Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, they all worship one God (Yaweh, Allah, Brahim, God)

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