Texas judge still fighting to deny wedding ceremonies to gay couples

[Bradskii]

One doesn't need to be human to consent.

Good grief...how is it possible to even consider that a reasonable statement...

1. The definition of a "license" demands that we not obtain one to marry.

Indeed. It can simply be declared. The moment I asked my wife to marry me and she said yes...we were married. There is no legal time limit. We went through a civil ceremony to make it 'official'. So two women saying that they are married are, de facto, married. If someone wants not to perform a religious ceremony to confirm that in the eyes of any given god that it is so, then so be it. But if part of your employment duties are to register the legal aspects of a defacto relationship, then you must.

Or resign.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Have you ever had a mammalian pet? I've had plenty, of various species. I can tell quite readily when I don't have their consent; but I'm more intelligent than they. It takes training to show them when they don't have my consent. If you have worked with pets; maybe I'm just more sensitive to the reactions of my pets.

I can assure you none of the pets you've worked with are capable of consenting to marriage.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Pommer]

Good grief...how is it possible to even consider that a reasonable statement...

Humans aren’t like the animals until we’re needed to be to bolster a weak argument, I guess?

 

[HARK!]

Good grief...how is it possible to even consider that a reasonable statement...

By using reason.

 

[HARK!]

Humans aren’t like the animals until we’re needed to be to bolster a weak argument, I guess?

One day my sister tried to tell her friend that our dog didn't consent to her teasing him with his food. Her friend ignored her until she needed hospitalization. Some people just don't belive that other people can sense when animals don't consent.

 

[HARK!]

I can assure you none of the pets you've worked with are capable of consenting to marriage.

-CryptoLutheran

Well, at least not in Texas; but I wouldn't marry an animal. I'm not so confused as to engage in such a perverted act.

 

[Bradskii]

By using reason.

We are talking about marriage. Not 'Who's a good boy, then!' and getting a wagged tail. This is a serious discussion. It helps if everyone treats it as such.

 

[PsaltiChrysostom]

I think it’s like
“You can marry anyone you choose but I cannot perform this particular duty for homosexuals.”

If she swears off doing any weddings, she might have an out?

It might be a possibility but that is a core part of her position. I have heard of one Orthodox priest who is now refusing to sign marriage certificates thereby forcing a separation between the secular legal marriage and the Sacrament of Marriage. He only does the Sacramental service but the couple then has to go to someone else to sign the legal paperwork.

 

[dzheremi]

I can assure you none of the pets you've worked with are capable of consenting to marriage.

-CryptoLutheran

I was going to say in jest "What about talking horses?", but then I remembered it was Mister Ed, which would kind of defeat the purpose.

Anyway, back to agreeing that this is a serious discussion...

 

[sfs]

I have zero expectations of unbelievers to care about the word of God, it’s the Christians here on CF that I do expect to hold the word of God above secular laws.

Great -- can we start a movement among Christians in the US to get rid of those thoroughly unbiblical laws against polygamy?

 

[KCfromNC]

I think it’s like
“You can marry anyone you choose but I cannot perform this particular duty for homosexuals.”

If she swears off doing any weddings, she might have an out?

As much as a police officer who swears off making any arrests or doing any paperwork, I'd hope.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Great -- can we start a movement among Christians in the US to get rid of those thoroughly unbiblical laws against polygamy?

Polygamy is not condoned by Christianity, you’re confusing Christianity with Judaism.

 

[HARK!]

We are talking about marriage. Not 'Who's a good boy, then!' and getting a wagged tail. This is a serious discussion. It helps if everyone treats it as such.

I view the suffering from the delusion of inappropriate behavior with animals to be no less serious than the suffering from the delusion of homosexuality.

 

[dzheremi]

I view the suffering from the delusion of inappropriate behavior with animals to be no less serious than the suffering from the delusion of homosexuality.

So what's your take on 1 Corinthians 5:11-13, just out of curiosity?

 

[HARK!]

So what's your take on 1 Corinthians 5:11-13, just out of curiosity?

That might be considered a moral discussion, that wouldn't be appropriate for this forum.

 

[dzheremi]

That might be considered a moral discussion, that wouldn't be appropriate for this forum.

And the present discussion isn't?

 

[HARK!]

And the present discussion isn't?

It might have moral implications for you; but we must set those aside when posting in this forum.

Here is the relevant portion of the Statement of Purpose for this forum:

Homosexuality, Same-Sex Marriage, Bisexuality and Transgenderism/Transexualism: Discussion of these topics must comply with the sitewide rule barring the promotion of homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality, and transgenderism/transexualism. Discussion and debate should only be directed toward political, legal, historical and civil rights issues, and should not be directed toward the morality of homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality or transgenderism/transexualism.

News & Current Events Forum Statement of Purpose

 

[BNR32FAN]

It might have moral implications for you; but we must set those aside when posting in this forum.

Here is the relevant portion of the Statement of Purpose for this forum:

Homosexuality, Same-Sex Marriage, Bisexuality and Transgenderism/Transexualism: Discussion of these topics must comply with the sitewide rule barring the promotion of homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality, and transgenderism/transexualism. Discussion and debate should only be directed toward political, legal, historical and civil rights issues, and should not be directed toward the morality of homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality or transgenderism/transexualism.

News & Current Events Forum Statement of Purpose

According to these rules this forum shouldn’t even exist on a Christian site and should be reserved for a secular forum website. Setting aside morality issues should never be a practice for followers of Christ.

 

[PsaltiChrysostom]

Great -- can we start a movement among Christians in the US to get rid of those thoroughly unbiblical laws against polygamy?

Hey, if you are rich and powerful enough, Luther was open to the bigamy of Phillip of Hesse:

“Still less would I have advised a public marriage” . . . “what I expected was, that, since he was obliged owing to the weakness of the flesh to follow the ordinary course of sin and shame, he would perhaps keep an honest girl in some house, and wed her secretly though even this would look ill in the sight of the world and thus overcome his great trouble of conscience; he could then ride backwards and forwards, as the great lords do frequently enough; similar advice I gave also to certain parish priests under Duke George and the bishops, viz. that they should marry their cook secretly.” . . .​

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Luther & Melanchthon: Bigamy of Philip of Hesse is Biblical

Protestant leaders Luther, Melanchthon, & Bucer sanctioned & justified bigamy. When they were embarrassed by it becoming public, Luther suggested lying.

www.patheos.com

 

[Bradskii]

I view the suffering from the delusion of inappropriate behavior with animals to be no less serious than the suffering from the delusion of homosexuality.

Are you trying to equate inappropriate behavior with animals with homosexuality?