Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Brother, I got it believing: demonstrated through obedience by not following the human traditions that contradict the word of God.How did you get the Spirit of Christ?
When I was baptized, if not before.When did you get it?
"Made perfect by the flesh" refers to human laws in Judaism added to God's laws by "blind" guides that enslave you in sin instead of helping you separate yourself from sin because they are "blind" guides. Judaism treats its own human laws as if it came from God, as if they were commandments, when this system of human law did not come from God. That is why they accused Jesus of breaking the law when Jesus did not break any of God's laws. Humans are "blind" guides to add laws to Judaism, making their converts "into twice the child of hell you yourselves are". God can add to His own laws because He is not a blind guide like humans are. Judaism does not enter the kingdom of heaven, nor will they allow others to enter, do to their own system of law. They do this through their human laws that enslave people instead of freeing them from sin because they are "blind" guides.Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
When I was baptized, if not before.
Brother, yes! You need "forgiveness of your sins" before being able to benefit from the Holy Spirit helping you to obey the commandments. Water comes before the Holy Spirit, who helps you obey God's law.Are you talking about water baptism?
Water comes before the Holy Spirit, who helps you obey God's law.
Brother, the Holy Spirit has many jobs. The gift of the Holy Spirit after baptism is different from what He does before baptism.That is not what Peter said below. Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. Act 11:16 Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, 'John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' It is not what Paul said below. Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Brother, the Holy Spirit has many jobs. The gift of the Holy Spirit after baptism is different from what He does before baptism.
Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:18-20 NLT)
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, "baptism" is always with water! No Gentiles who received the gifts of the Holy Spirit were assumed to be "baptized", because Peter ordered that they be "baptized" having already received the Holy Spirit.Do you see the word "water" in Matthew 28:18-20?
Brother, "baptism" is always with water!
Brother, "baptism" is always with water! By analogy, in a figurative sense, the gift of the Holy Spirit after Jesus is compared to something different: baptism, without the outpouring of the Holy Spirit being a literal baptism or a replacement for baptism. Changing two words in the sentence may help you see the analogy: "ye shall be drowning with the work", does not mean that "work is now drowning". No Gentiles who received the gifts of the Holy Spirit were assumed to be "baptized", because Peter ordered that they be "baptized" having already received the Holy Spirit.
Brother, "baptism" is always with water! By analogy, in a figurative sense, the gift of the Holy Spirit after Jesus is compared to something different: baptism, without the outpouring of the Holy Spirit being a literal baptism or a replacement for baptism. Changing two words in the sentence may help you see the analogy: "ye shall be drowning with the work", does not mean that "work is now drowning". No Gentiles who received the gifts of the Holy Spirit were assumed to be "baptized", because Peter ordered that they be "baptized" having already received the Holy Spirit.
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days. (Acts 10:44-48 NIV)
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, the word of God tells us that circumcision is not like baptism! Circumcision is no longer done by humans because it is fulfilled in something that God does inside: the circumcision of the heart. We are told that baptism is different from circumcision. There is only one baptism: baptism by water.Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, because it comes from Christ, instead of from men?
What you quoted is different from baptism! It happened to some Gentiles before they were baptized! God's word tells us that they needed baptism even though they had already tasted the gifts of the Holy Spirit.Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days. (Acts 10:44-48 NIV)
Brother, the above quote uses an analogy as made clear by the following two passages.And Peter explains what happened above in chapter 11. Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. Act 11:16 Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, 'John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'
Act 11:17 If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?" Act 11:18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life."
There is only one baptism: baptism by water.Which baptism is from John the Baptist, and which one comes from Christ?
A gift from the Holy Spirit, although He was working in them in a different way before this additional gift.What is the gift a person receives when they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in verse 17 above?
Baptism comes by water. All baptisms are by water!What is the one baptism of our faith, based on the above? Does it come from John, or does it come from Christ?
It is an analogy! The gift of the Holy Spirit is separate from baptism as said by Jesus below.John baptized in water before Calvary and before the New Covenant was fulfilled in blood, but the baptism of the Spirit came after Calvary. Therefore, which one is related to salvation based on verse 17 above?
Above, we are told there is only one baptism and below we know that it is of water.
Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
Brother, the gifts of the Holy Spirit and baptism are not the same. This is why, even after receiving the gifts of the Holy Spirit, Peter had them baptized in the following passage.The "water" in John chapter 3 is amniotic fluid, because Nicodemus was talking about childbirth. However, they did not call it amniotic fluid in the time of Christ. They called it "water". If you have any questions talk to any woman who has ever had a baby and ask what came out right before the baby?
Yes! The forgiveness of sins is necessary before the Holy Spirit can help you grow in obedience to the eleven commandments. There were only ten commandments in the covenant before Jesus, as He tells us in the following quoted passage. Jesus also says in the same quoted passage that there is one more commandment in the new covenant that was not possible before Jesus, to "follow" His example.Do you believe water baptism is a necessary part of getting into the kingdom of God?
Yes! The forgiveness of sins is necessary before the Holy Spirit can help you grow in obedience to the eleven commandments.
Brother, they were forgiven when they were baptized as said below.When was Cornelius forgiven in the passage below? Was it when he believed and received the Holy Spirit, or was it when he was water baptized? What was the gift from God Cornelius had received? Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. Act 11:16 Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, 'John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' Act 11:17 If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?"
Peter replied, “Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Brother, the important thing for salvation is that you "believe" first to do all that is required. The following passage is what Cornelius believed Peter would "tell" him, which included baptism. The lesson is that receiving baptism or the Holy Spirit first is not as important as first believing to fulfill the other requirements, such as baptism and having the Holy Spirit to help understand the Holy Spirit's inspired writings in the Scriptures. What it means to believe is made clear here! The believer has the disposition to obey all the requirements. Cornelius received the Holy Spirit because God knew he would obey to be baptized, Cornelius was a true believer and not a law breaker who thinks he is a believer by fabricating his own reality in contradiction to God's truth.They "believed" and then received the "gift" of the Holy Spirit. Then later they were baptized in water. You have got it backwards.
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