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This is the first time I have ever heard anyone say there is sin in heaven. I was always taught heaven is perfect and without sin.Lucifer sinned in heaven therefore he broke God's law in heaven.
Why do you think Lucifer was kicked out of heaven?This is the first time I have ever heard anyone say there is sin in heaven. I was always taught heaven is perfect and without sin.
He sinned, but where did he sin? You assume it was in heaven but like I said, I've never heard anyone teach anything other than heaven being perfect and without sin. If God is too impotent to prevent sin in His own domain??? The thought is unbearable.Why do you think Lucifer was kicked out of heaven?
Lucifer was cast out of heaven because he sinned (broke God's law) Ezekiel 28:16 Isaiah 14:12 Romans 4:15He sinned, but where did he sin? You assume it was in heaven but like I said, I've never heard anyone teach anything other than heaven being perfect and without sin. If God is too impotent to prevent sin in His own domain??? The thought is unbearable.
Kicked out because of how he sinned while on the prehistoric earth. Not for sinning while in heaven.Why do you think Lucifer was kicked out of heaven?
Lucifer was a covering cherub until iniquity was found in him.Kicked out because of how he sinned while on the prehistoric earth. Not for sinning while in heaven.
He is allowed access to heaven, but his home is now confined to the lower atmosphere of the earth.
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." Ephesians 2:1-2
The Greek word (Aer) we see commonly translated "air" speaks of the lower atmosphere around thew planet.
The ancient Greeks used two words for air.
Aer meant the dim lower atmosphere, and aether meant the bright upper atmosphere above the clouds.
grace and peace .......
I didn't think you could provide a meaningful answer, but I had some time to verify it. Thanks for the quick resolution.I will have to come back to you later....
When you have enough Bible knowledge to think with.
So God let sin into heaven then? I would be very interested to know who you learned that from. Like I said, every bit of teaching I have ever received all said there is no sin, never has been sin and never will be sin in heaven.Lucifer was cast out of heaven because he sinned (broke God's law) Ezekiel 28:16 Isaiah 14:12 Romans 4:15
God gives everyone free will including the angles. If He were to force one to love Him He would have created robots, but God wants us to love and obey Him from our own free will, because anything less is forced love which is not pure.
Can't answer someone when he does not have enough information to grasp it.I didn't think you could provide a meaningful answer, but I had some time to verify it. Thanks for the quick resolution.
Lucifer was a covering cherub until iniquity was found in him.
Ezekiel 20:14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.
So God let sin into heaven then?
I found it in the Word of GodI would be very interested to know who you learned that from.
Thats why I like to get my teachings and verify everything from scripture.Like I said, every bit of teaching I have ever received all said there is no sin, never has been sin and never will be sin in heaven.
’You were on the holy mountain of God... until iniquity was found in you.... war broke out in heaven and the dragon (Satan- who sinned from the beginning 1 John 3:8) was cast out”... seems clear.And please, don't just keep repeating Satan sinned and was cast out of heaven. It doesn't answer my question as to where he sinned or how heaven can be heaven if God allowed even one sin to enter.
So God let sin into heaven then?
Why can't people answer the questions they're asked?God never created Lucifer to sin, He created him perfect Ezekiel 28:15 until iniquity was found in him.
God allowed free will in heaven which resulted in sin and Lucifer being thrown out of heaven as the scripture states. Why would there be war in heaven if there was no sin and everything was perfect as you state? Why would Lucifer- Satan be thrown out of heaven if he was obeying God? Sin separates us from God and obedience to Him is what will reconcile us back to Him. Revelation 22:14. Lucifer/Satan and his angels made their choice and their fates are sealed- we still have decisions to make that will either lead us to the same fate as the father of lies or lead us to God. We are promised at His Second Coming there will be no more sin, the saints will live with Christ forever, but I don’t think God is taking away free will.Why can't people answer the questions they're asked?
Did God let sin into the third heaven, His domain? Yes or no?
There are 3 heavens. Maybe you got the wrong heaven.God allowed free will in heaven which resulted in sin and Lucifer being thrown out of heaven as the scripture states. Why would there be war in heaven if there was no sin and everything was perfect as you state? Why would Lucifer- Satan be thrown out of heaven if he was obeying God? Sin separates us from God and obedience to Him is what will reconcile us back to Him. Revelation 22:14. Lucifer/Satan and his angels made their choice and their fates are sealed- we still have decisions to make that will either lead us to the same fate as the father of lies or lead us to God. We are promised at His Second Coming there will be no more sin, the saints will live with Christ forever, but I don’t think God is taking away free will.
There are not three heavens, only one where God dwells and Lucifer was kicked out of, but please feel free to make any of your cases through scriptures.There are 3 heavens. Maybe you got the wrong heaven.
Nice theory. I think it's simply that you don't understand Law & are not familiar with the work that has been done to attempt to identify its origination.Can't answer someone when he does not have enough information to grasp it.
That is the problem. And, its not a new one. Not one to be ashamed of...
It happens to all growing believers at some time in their walk.
“I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear."
John 16:12
In this case.... it would require teaching several foundational truths and have them to be understood. Then what you are now not getting would be in a setting for you to think for yourself what to decide. Right now is not a good time for that.
Identify its origin? Are you coming from a secular perspective?Nice theory. I think it's simply that you don't understand Law & are not familiar with the work that has been done to attempt to identify its origination.
God allowed free will in heaven which resulted in sin and Lucifer being thrown out of heaven as the scripture states.
Yes - origin meaning when. No.Identify its origin? Are you coming from a secular perspective?
That is what I have been sensing about your approach.
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You are approaching this in a manner that is foreign to how my thinking works.Yes - origin meaning when. No.
With respect, which has not been shown to me, your sensing is off.
I responded to your use of Ez28 and asked what standard God used to judge blamelessness and wickedness. I pointed out that these 2 words carry through Scripture and have to do with conforming or not conforming to a standard and one of them is correlated to sin.
This seems clearly to be a question about Scripture, more Scripture, Scriptural terminology, and God's Law. It seems quite a stretch for this to be anything from a secular perspective. If you've made a mistake, you're forgiven.
So, according to what did God judge the blamelessness and wickedness discussed in Ez28? When did God actually enact and instruct His standards for His creatures?
I responded to your use of Ez28 and asked what standard God used to judge blamelessness and wickedness.
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