Taking questions of the Different state past (2)

[justlookinla]

Go to that thread and discuss it. I discuss the facts in the first post. Stop avoiding them.

It is behavior like this that makes presenting evidence to you a waste of time. You can't even tell the difference between fact and opinion, a skill I was taught in the 3rd grade.

I'll check out the thread. I have zero confidence that you're offering evidence that only naturalistic mechanisms produced humanity from a single life form of long long ago.

Then stop lying.

And yet another 'yer a liar'.

Go to the thread and discuss it.

Also, please stop lying about my position.

And yet another 'yer a liar'.

 

[Loudmouth]

I'll check out the thread. I have zero confidence that you're offering evidence that only naturalistic mechanisms produced humanity from a single life form of long long ago.

I make zero such claims. Please stop lying about my position. Nowhere have I argued that humanity evolved by natural mechanisms only from a single progenitor. That is not what the theory of evolution states.

And yet another 'yer a liar'.



And yet another 'yer a liar'.

Then don't lie if you don't like me pointing it out. You can start by stopping the lie that the theory of evolution rejects supernatural processes and has humans evolving from a single lifeform a long time ago. That's not what the theory states. That not what I have stated. Stop lying about our position.

 

[justlookinla]

I make zero such claims. Please stop lying about my position. Nowhere have I argued that humanity evolved by natural mechanisms only from a single progenitor. That is not what the theory of evolution states.

Look, if it makes you feel better to use 'yer a liar' frequently, by all means do it. It bothers me not at all.

Now, address the issue that humanity was produced only by a series of naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form of long long ago.

Then don't lie if you don't like me pointing it out.

And yet another 'yer a liar'.

You can start by stopping the lie

And yet another 'yer a liar'.

that the theory of evolution rejects supernatural processes and has humans evolving from a single lifeform a long time ago. That's not what the theory states. That not what I have stated. Stop lying about our position.

Show me where the theory allows for anything other than only a series of naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form of long long ago producing the infinitely complex and varied life we observe today.

You aren't. I can depend on more 'yer a liar' though.

 

[Loudmouth]

Now, address the issue that humanity was produced only by a series of naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form of long long ago.

Why should I address that issue? It isn't my position, nor is it the position of the theory of evolution. You are asking me to address a non-existent position in science.

When will you address the actual scientific theory and my position? Why do you continually twist what people say?

Show me where the theory allows for anything other than only a series of naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form of long long ago producing the infinitely complex and varied life we observe today.

The tentativity of every theory in science allows for the addition of mechanisms as they are discovered in the future.

You aren't. I can depend on more 'yer a liar' though.

Show me where in the theory of evolution that it says that only naturalistic mehcanisms are allowed.

Show me where I have ever made such a claim.

Until you do, stop claiming that this is my "personal" conclusion, the conclusion of the scientists across the globe, or the position that the theory takes. Try and be honest, if only for one second.

 

[Dizredux]

I'm using the biblical definition. If that's causing you problems, it is interesting.....to say the least.

It does cause me problems when someone labels most of humanity for the last 2000 years as as antichrists. I find that a little strange.

I have not been able to find anyone else advancing your interpretation. Can you show me any respected religious organizations that make this kind of claim?

Dizredux

 

[justlookinla]

Why should I address that issue? It isn't my position, nor is it the position of the theory of evolution. You are asking me to address a non-existent position in science.

I disagree. Try introducing anything but only naturalistic mechanisms as the explanation of the complexity and variety of life and see what happens. Simply read the responses on this forum when such a view is offered.

When will you address the actual scientific theory and my position? Why do you continually twist what people say?

I've addressed your position. Your view is a Godless one, I reject that.

The tentativity of every theory in science allows for the addition of mechanisms as they are discovered in the future.

Yep, the confusion of 'science'. What's 'true' today is false tomorrow.

Show me where in the theory of evolution that it says that only naturalistic mehcanisms are allowed.

Show me where I have ever made such a claim.

Until you do, stop claiming that this is my "personal" conclusion, the conclusion of the scientists across the globe, or the position that the theory takes. Try and be honest, if only for one second.

And more personal attacks....'yer a liar'.

 

[justlookinla]

It does cause me problems when someone labels most of humanity for the last 2000 years as as antichrists. I find that a little strange.

I have not been able to find anyone else advancing your interpretation. Can you show me any respected religious organizations that make this kind of claim?

Dizredux

The bible itself is very clear.....

1Jn_2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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If you differ with scripture, that's your choice.

 

[Dizredux]

If you differ with scripture, that's your choice.

Perhaps I disagree with your interpretation since it appears that few (any?) Christians interpret it the way you do.

Let me ask in another way, do you know of any Bible scholars that interpret this as you do?

I failed to notice where you responded to my question.

Dizredux

 

[DerelictJunction]

I disagree. Try introducing anything but only naturalistic mechanisms as the explanation of the complexity and variety of life and see what happens. Simply read the responses on this forum when such a view is offered.

Yeah, I know! They go around asking for evidence an' stuff like that. Worse yet, they claim there is no evidence and when you don't provide any they claim some sort of victory. The gall of those scientific types!!.

I've addressed your position. Your view is a Godless one, I reject that.

This is incorrect. You reject the godless view but he has denied that this is his position regarding the theory. You have been told this but fail to fail to acknowledge that you understand the theory's or Loudmouth's position. Myopia?

Yep, the confusion of 'science'. What's 'true' today is false tomorrow.

Well, as you have shown, you regard scientists as lesser persons than you. As the better person, you should make some accommodation and allow that they could have been wrong in the past and are trying to correct themselves. They only work with evidence and have not reached your advanced status of being able to receive revelation directly from a god.

And more personal attacks....'yer a liar'.

Shoe, meet same size foot. Have a nice walk together.

 

[Delphiki]

I disagree. Try introducing anything but only naturalistic mechanisms as the explanation of the complexity and variety of life and see what happens.

How about YOU try it? Nobody ever has. Ever.

 

[dad]

I accept evidence.http://www.christianforums.com/t7840464/

To be fair, you reject evidences of anything but a small selected nature. Do you accept Scripture and the evidences involved such as historical verification of facts of Scripture in archeology? Prophesy? Christian history? Anything spiritual at all anywhere??

What we see more and more is that people think that they can define the universe and eternity strictly by the physical elements of life they experience on and near earth! Pitiful.

 

[dad]

Point out the dogma, fable, and fanatical ritual in the diagram below...

OK. Do you ask questions that include the known spiritual experiences of man, or just physical? Do you ask things with a pre determined method of deciding how evidence is viewed?

Background research, does that include research into what laws applied if talking about the far past, or merely flag waving your belief they were the same?

Construct a hypothesis based on just the portion of physical only little facts you can pigeon hole into your belief system methods?

Do you test in this present state things that are from another? Do you test the universe edges or just test earth and aprox our solar system??


How do you tell if a procedure dealing in the far past or future (like the sun's fate) is working!? What you apparently mean is that is must be of this state in this state, and from this state and to this state etc.

As for communicate results, you get an A on that one. The innocents have been robbed of faith in God and knowledge of the Creator by the flood of Satanic propaganda falsely called science for too long now.

 

[dad]

Yes, and the same state past predicts that we will see those patterns.

No. It looks at creation and the patterns and tries to attribute it all to it's whacked out godless interpretations.

Why are the ratios of these 3 different independent isotope pairs (Rb/Sr, K/Ar, U/Pb) consistent with 65 million years of decay at current rates in rocks found at the K/T boundary? A same state past explains it. A different state past does not. Therefore, the consilience between these ratios is evidence for a same state past.

Why did God create isotopes in certain ratios on earth? That is all you are basically asking. For an answer you grab at fantasies and fables that simply need to seem somewhat internally consistent!

The consilience between the ratios is that evidence.

Then you have none. OK. You sure can't take credit for ratios! All you can do is note how they relate to one another and work in THIS state!!

They do produce dates. You get over it!!!

Not real dates that involve actual time, not all of us were born yesterday. Itelectually bankrupt is a term that comes to mind here.

 

[dad]

Dad has now labeled the scientific method as an antichrist belief. Wonderful.

This is news!!? Dies it acknowledge Jesus created it all? Or does it religiously set out to purposely exclude Him, and explain everything some other way at any cost!? Duh..

 

[dad]

The antichrist spirit will always produce antichrist beliefs. Without exception.

You seem to have something on the ball here. That is absolutely right. The thing is that people who are dead, dead to God and the spirit, (like so called science specializes in being) cannot even see that! They are dead to the spiritual, God, and the truth. Theirs then, basically is a zombie religion of the dead.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

You seem to have something on the ball here. That is absolutely right. The thing is that people who are dead, dead to God and the spirit, (like so called science specializes in being) cannot even see that! They are dead to the spiritual, God, and the truth. Theirs then, basically is a zombie religion of the dead.

That's rather like the drunk man saying he can feel and see things you can't. We know what he is seeing and feeling, we know why he is seeing and feeling them, we just don't take him very seriously. It's the same with this type of spiritual claim you're making: we don't take you very seriously because we know what you are experiencing. You just lack the tools necessary to examine your experience critically.

 

[Loudmouth]

To be fair, you reject evidences of anything but a small selected nature. Do you accept Scripture and the evidences involved such as historical verification of facts of Scripture in archeology? Prophesy? Christian history? Anything spiritual at all anywhere??

Please supply any evidence you have for the change in natural laws that you claimed happened. I have yet to see you do that in any thread.

 

[Loudmouth]

You seem to have something on the ball here. That is absolutely right. The thing is that people who are dead, dead to God and the spirit, (like so called science specializes in being) cannot even see that! They are dead to the spiritual, God, and the truth. Theirs then, basically is a zombie religion of the dead.

In all my years of looking at science, I have yet to see a single paper that required you to become a christian in order to do an experiment.

 

[Loudmouth]

No. It looks at creation and the patterns and tries to attribute it all to it's whacked out godless interpretations.

I just showed you that this is not true. The patterns were predicted BEFORE they were measured. Even more, you can't explain how these patterns could be produced by a different state past, while these patterns are exactly what we would expect to see with a same state past.

Why did God create isotopes in certain ratios on earth? That is all you are basically asking. For an answer you grab at fantasies and fables that simply need to seem somewhat internally consistent!

That is word salad. Answer the question.

Why are the ratios of these 3 different independent isotope pairs (Rb/Sr, K/Ar, U/Pb) consistent with 65 million years of decay at current rates in rocks found at the K/T boundary? A same state past explains it. A different state past does not. Therefore, the consilience between these ratios is evidence for a same state past.

Then you have none. OK. You sure can't take credit for ratios! All you can do is note how they relate to one another and work in THIS state!!

Since they work in this state, then the ratios were made in this state. That's the whole point. Thanks for proving my point.

Not real dates that involve actual time, not all of us were born yesterday. Itelectually bankrupt is a term that comes to mind here.

The consilience between different isotope pairs demonstrates that they are real dates. That is the evidence you can't explain, and continue to run from.

 

[Loudmouth]

This is news!!? Dies it acknowledge Jesus created it all? Or does it religiously set out to purposely exclude Him, and explain everything some other way at any cost!? Duh..

So you require every hypothesis to have Jesus in it before you will accept it?

Bias much?