Taking questions of the Different state past (2)

[Loudmouth]

I disagree. Try introducing anything but only naturalistic mechanisms as the explanation of the complexity and variety of life and see what happens. Simply read the responses on this forum when such a view is offered.

You don't get to decide what my argument will be. I decide what my argument will be. I am NOT arguing that the theory of evolution states that only natural mechanisms are at play. I am NOT arguing that humans evolved from a single life form long ago.

If you want to beat up on your strawman, go for it. However, beating up on your fake argument does nothing to falsify the real theory of evolution that scientists actually use.

I've addressed your position. Your view is a Godless one, I reject that.

And now we come to your ultimate confession. You are suffering from a bad case of projection.

"Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in themselves, while attributing them to others."
Psychological projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When you say that we won't look at what you want to present, you are really talking about yourself. You will not look at any theory that does not have the supernatural claims that you want them to have. No matter what the evidence is, it doesn't matter. You flatly reject any and all science that doesn't match up to your religious beliefs.

Yep, the confusion of 'science'. What's 'true' today is false tomorrow.

Are you saying that you would accept science if it never changed, even when the evidence demanded it?

And more personal attacks....'yer a liar'.

Are you psychologically capable of honestly portraying our arguments?

 

[Loudmouth]

OK. Do you ask questions that include the known spiritual experiences of man, or just physical?

We accept any and all empirical evidence.

Background research, does that include research into what laws applied if talking about the far past, or merely flag waving your belief they were the same?

We construct hypotheses of what we should see if the past were a different state, and then test those hypotheses.

Construct a hypothesis based on just the portion of physical only little facts you can pigeon hole into your belief system methods?

We include all of the empirical evidence.

Do you test in this present state things that are from another? Do you test the universe edges or just test earth and aprox our solar system??

We test the entire universe.

How do you tell if a procedure dealing in the far past or future (like the sun's fate) is working!? What you apparently mean is that is must be of this state in this state, and from this state and to this state etc.

Evidence created by past events is used to determine what the laws were in the past.

The innocents have been robbed of faith in God and knowledge of the Creator by the flood of Satanic propaganda falsely called science for too long now.

You have been robbed of the use of reason and logic, it would appear.

 

[justlookinla]

Perhaps I disagree with your interpretation since it appears that few (any?) Christians interpret it the way you do.

Let me ask in another way, do you know of any Bible scholars that interpret this as you do?

I failed to notice where you responded to my question.

Dizredux

Perhaps you simply disagree with scripture.

1Jn_2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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Now, how would you interpret "who is the liar but he that denieth Jesus is the Christ"? How would you interpret "He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son"?

You're attempting to take the focus from your interpretation for some reason. Tell us how you interpret those verses.

 

[justlookinla]

Yeah, I know! They go around asking for evidence an' stuff like that. Worse yet, they claim there is no evidence and when you don't provide any they claim some sort of victory. The gall of those scientific types!!.

I've been asking for evidence that only naturalistic mechanisms produced humanity from a single life form of long long ago for years. So far, not a shred of evidence has been provided.

This is incorrect. You reject the godless view but he has denied that this is his position regarding the theory. You have been told this but fail to fail to acknowledge that you understand the theory's or Loudmouth's position. Myopia?

When God is interjected into the theory, there's a quick reaction questioning such a view. Sorta like you would do.

Well, as you have shown, you regard scientists as lesser persons than you. As the better person, you should make some accommodation and allow that they could have been wrong in the past and are trying to correct themselves. They only work with evidence and have not reached your advanced status of being able to receive revelation directly from a god.

Why should I believe today's 'truths' that will be tomorrow's lies?

 

[Loudmouth]

I've been asking for evidence that only naturalistic mechanisms produced humanity from a single life form of long long ago for years.

Why do you expect us to supply evidence for a position we don't hold?

Why do you continue to misrepresent our arguments?

When God is interjected into the theory, there's a quick reaction questioning such a view.

Are you saying that we shouldn't challenge a claim when it is made?

What we reject are claims with no evidence behind it. It is not our fault that you can not present evidence for God creating species outside of evolution. Tons of christians believe that evolution is the process that God uses to create, but you seem to reject their claims out of hand.

Why should I believe today's 'truths' that will be tomorrow's lies?

Is this your excuse for ignoring the evidence?

 

[DerelictJunction]

Why should I believe today's 'truths' that will be tomorrow's lies?

I guess you shouldn't and it looks like you don't. So, I guess you won't be posting here any more since the science that is used to produce the world wide web might be tomorrow's lies. Is it your plan to become a hunter gatherer or will you be carving out your own farm implements from rocks and trees?

 

[Dizredux]

Perhaps you simply disagree with scripture.

1Jn_2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
​

Now, how would you interpret "who is the liar but he that denieth Jesus is the Christ"? How would you interpret "He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son"?

You're attempting to take the focus from your interpretation for some reason. Tell us how you interpret those verses.

You of all people can't complain of someone trying to change subjects.

I note that you did not answer the question of what Bible scholars agree with you. I am trying to see if you are a majority of one on this as you so often appear to be on most of your assertions.

Answer or not as you please. Right now it looks like another case you asserting something and not being able to back it up so try to change subjects.

I also note that you are not responding to Loudmouth's presenting you with evidence in a thread made just for you. Are you going to run away from that one too?


Dizredux

 

[justlookinla]

Why do you expect us to supply evidence for a position we don't hold?

Why do you continue to misrepresent our arguments?

Your position is that humanity is not the result of only naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago?

Are you saying that we shouldn't challenge a claim when it is made?

What we reject are claims with no evidence behind it. It is not our fault that you can not present evidence for God creating species outside of evolution. Tons of christians believe that evolution is the process that God uses to create, but you seem to reject their claims out of hand.

Of course you reject it. That's why your creation-ist view is a Godless one.

Is this your excuse for ignoring the evidence?

If there's evidence, today's 'truths' will not be tomorrow's 'lies'.

 

[justlookinla]

You of all people can't complain of someone trying to change subjects.

I note that you did not answer the question of what Bible scholars agree with you. I am trying to see if you are a majority of one on this as you so often appear to be on most of your assertions.

Answer or not as you please. Right now it looks like another case you asserting something and not being able to back it up so try to change subjects.

I also note that you are not responding to Loudmouth's presenting you with evidence in a thread made just for you. Are you going to run away from that one too?


Dizredux

Right, you're only going to evade giving your interpretation of the passages. That's what I thought.

No surprise there.

 

[justlookinla]

I guess you shouldn't and it looks like you don't. So, I guess you won't be posting here any more since the science that is used to produce the world wide web might be tomorrow's lies. Is it your plan to become a hunter gatherer or will you be carving out your own farm implements from rocks and trees?

What lies do you think 'science' is promoting today? We don't know, do we? It's a faith based belief system.

 

[DerelictJunction]

What lies do you think 'science' is promoting today? We don't know, do we? It's a faith based belief system.

Then why are you still here? Shouldn't you be using a sharp rock to carve a spear or something else you can use in your new existence where you don't rely on current scientific "truths" that may be tomorrow's "lies"?

 

[Loudmouth]

Of course you reject it.

Why should I accept claims that have no evidence to support them?

If there's evidence, today's 'truths' will not be tomorrow's 'lies'.

We have already seen that you refuse to discuss the evidence.

 

[Delphiki]

OK. Do you ask questions that include the known spiritual experiences of man, or just physical? Do you ask things with a pre determined method of deciding how evidence is viewed?

Background research, does that include research into what laws applied if talking about the far past, or merely flag waving your belief they were the same?

Construct a hypothesis based on just the portion of physical only little facts you can pigeon hole into your belief system methods?

Do you test in this present state things that are from another? Do you test the universe edges or just test earth and aprox our solar system??


How do you tell if a procedure dealing in the far past or future (like the sun's fate) is working!? What you apparently mean is that is must be of this state in this state, and from this state and to this state etc.

As for communicate results, you get an A on that one. The innocents have been robbed of faith in God and knowledge of the Creator by the flood of Satanic propaganda falsely called science for too long now.

Have you tried any of these things? I guarantee you haven't. For one, the first step is frowned upon by your dogma. No asking questions, right?

Ask a spiritual question. Go ahead. Then research it, come up with a hypothesis, and test it... But I doubt you'll even go that far. Don't take the Lord to task, right? Thought so.

 

[justlookinla]

Then why are you still here? Shouldn't you be using a sharp rock to carve a spear or something else you can use in your new existence where you don't rely on current scientific "truths" that may be tomorrow's "lies"?

You really don't know what 'scientific lies' you're believing today, do you?

 

[Loudmouth]

You really don't know what 'scientific lies' you're believing today, do you?

Why don't you go to the endogenous retrovirus thread and show me which lies I am telling, and back those allegations with evidence.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7840464/

 

[justlookinla]

Why don't you go to the endogenous retrovirus thread and show me which lies I am telling, and back those allegations with evidence.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7840464/

How about explaining how a complex bit of a human. shown in the earlier graphic, can be produced by a series of only random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless (other than procreation) and directionless mechanisms acting on a single life form of long long ago.

I reject your Godless religion of scienceism/evolutionism. Deal with it.

 

[Loudmouth]

How about explaining how a complex bit of a human. shown in the earlier graphic, can be produced by a series of only random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless (other than procreation) and directionless mechanisms acting on a single life form of long long ago.

Go to the ERV thread and read the opening post.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7840464/

I dare you to show that my conclusion in the first post is not supported by facts.

 

[justlookinla]

Go to the ERV thread and read the opening post.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7840464/

I dare you to show that my conclusion in the first post is not supported by facts.

I dare you to show that the complex human was created by only naturalistic mechanisms from a single life form of long long ago.

 

[Loudmouth]

I dare you to show that the complex human was created by only naturalistic mechanisms from a single life form of long long ago.

Please stop misrepresenting my position.

 

[justlookinla]

Please stop misrepresenting my position.

Does that mean you're not going to accept the dare?