Surviving the Tribulation

[Charles Spurgeon]

Note: I only want those who believe in the post-tribulation rapture to post to this. Sorry, no pre-tribbers.

Thanks

Alright, how should we plan properly to survive the Tribulation... it seems that it could be in our lifetime. I know from Revelation 3:10 that the Lord will ultimately protect us... but obviously somehow the Lord is going to allow the evil ones to slaughter a lot of us... But until that point... we can figure out how to survive it.

Should we hide in the woods/wilderness?
Should we try to build hidden, and secret underground bunkers?
There's an Island I'm thinking of that's 3 1/2 hours away from me, that only has about 350 year round residents on it, and is 53 square miles. Do you think hiding within the woods and state land on this Island would protect me?

What I'm worried about: Food supplies will be wiped out within a few years of the tribulation. Therefore MREs or freeze-dried foods will have to be stocked in the tonnage just to even allow one person to survive, let alone a family.

Fresh-water sources will probably be destroyed, at least a third of them... therefore should 500 gallon tanks be buried underground, and filled with fresh water before the tribulation starts? My dad use to own this green 300-500 gallon farm tank that would go on the back of a truck... maybe 3-4 of these could be buried and tied in with your bunker in the woods.

What about self-defense, should we as Christians try to do away with those who try to do away with us? Or if we're found out, should we just let it be? Should we carry a few guns? Should we buy bullet-proof armor and etc?

Another worry: spy satellites with infrared technology... how could a person hide in the woods and not have a satellite track you? Does anyway know of any anti-ir clothing and technology that could be used?

How should we try to survive this? My guess is that the trib could start within 20 years, but I'm unsure...

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Good Grief!-What an unbiblical, fear filled, OP!

 

[LovedofHim]

The departure of the church is definitely post tribulation. The tribulation which began when Jesus left and Israel was desolated will be cut short before the false christ arises with the false prophet does their false miracles. It is wars, famines, plagues, death by wild beasts, persecution and martyrdom. Every Christian that has ever lived has endured the great tribulation. Jesus gave us power and authority during this time to overcome the devil by the blood of the Lamb.


It is the wrath that we are not appointed to suffer. It will be a time when people will have missed salvation by the blood of the Lamb, their only hope will be resurrection by works, namely dying while refusing to worship the devil. The wrath is when the devil is cast down to establish the God-allowed 42 months of power over the people of the earth. It is when God uses the devil to destroy mystery babylon. It is when God uses the devil to force people to choose, sending cataclysmic events and calling for people to repent because it's all over. No more eating, drinking, marrying, or buying and selling freely - only death, imprisonment and a final choice for eternity.

Do you see the difference?

No one will escape the wrath of God. No one will be hiding out in hopes of riding it out. Everyone will be forced to choose, (worship the devil, die or be imprisoned) because that is the purpose of God's wrath before God comes to destroy all who choose poorly.

This is why today is the day of salvation. This is why we need to be born of the Spirit in order to enter the Kingdom of God. Why do you look for ways of tricking and hiding from God, to avoid wrath, to avoid making that final choice for eternity? Why not seek Him while He can be found and trust in His salvation, who is Christ, our Lord who saves us from the wrath of God to come?

The Day of the Lord will start sooner than you think.

 

[Truth Files]

Most of those who become believers during the tribulation period will be martyred for their faith

Protection during the period is guaranteed for only the 144000 sealed Israelites, those Israelites who flee into the wilderness from "judea", and the Lord's two prophets

 

[zeke37]

amazing.....
the OP asked that only post tribbers respond,
and all you so far who have responded are NOT post tribbers

 

[John S]

Charles - You are assuming that you will know the antichrist when he arrives. That, according to the Bible, is not, necessarily, the case. It says that "many will be deceived".
If you can somehow find a way to live without buying or selling, then you MIGHT survive. Don't forget there could very well be devastating natural disasters to contend with, along with the effects of an all out nuclear war.

Those are my opinions.

 

[zeke37]

Note: I only want those who believe in the post-tribulation rapture to post to this. Sorry, no pre-tribbers.

Thanks

the first three who responded are identified by us obvious post tribbers, as pre tribbers...
even if they themselves do not define themselves that way

just so ya know...
hi by the way

Alright, how should we plan properly to survive the Tribulation... it seems that it could be in our lifetime. I know from Revelation 3:10 that the Lord will ultimately protect us... but obviously somehow the Lord is going to allow the evil ones to slaughter a lot of us... But until that point... we can figure out how to survive it.

well, IMO no one is slaughtered in the trib....
no one will be hunted down and be-headed etc...
imo that is fantasy....

Christians will be tested, but not systematically killed

we will all fall into one of two camps...

either fooled by the false Christ/false prophet and think he is The Lamb returned (and worship him as God/Christ)

or sealed and protected to witness against him and his lies...

Should we hide in the woods/wilderness?
Should we try to build hidden, and secret underground bunkers?
There's an Island I'm thinking of that's 3 1/2 hours away from me, that only has about 350 year round residents on it, and is 53 square miles. Do you think hiding within the woods and state land on this Island would protect me?

imo the end time tribulation is shortened for the elect's sake,
down to the 5 months depicted in Rev9

i think your plan would get you near the end, but not all the way to Christ's Coming...
because this test (of the false Christ) is a test that will come upon all of us...

there is no hiding from it....

What I'm worried about: Food supplies will be wiped out within a few years of the tribulation. Therefore MREs or freeze-dried foods will have to be stocked in the tonnage just to even allow one person to survive, let alone a family.

5 months...season of the locust...May-Sept...

Fresh-water sources will probably be destroyed, at least a third of them... therefore should 500 gallon tanks be buried underground, and filled with fresh water before the tribulation starts? My dad use to own this green 300-500 gallon farm tank that would go on the back of a truck... maybe 3-4 of these could be buried and tied in with your bunker in the woods.

5 months

What about self-defense, should we as Christians try to do away with those who try to do away with us? Or if we're found out, should we just let it be? Should we carry a few guns? Should we buy bullet-proof armor and etc?

trust God...i don't think God would have you kill anyone in His test...

Another worry: spy satellites with infrared technology... how could a person hide in the woods and not have a satellite track you? Does anyway know of any anti-ir clothing and technology that could be used?

IMO the false Christ is going to be the actual supernatural angel Satan, cast out of heaven and to the earth for a short season...(5 months)

this angelic man has powers and abilities that we do not have...
he will fool the world into thinking that he is God/Christ
and will set up "his" false "kingdom" on earth...

I do not think that there is any way to avoid the test...

How should we try to survive this? My guess is that the trib could start within 20 years, but I'm unsure...

my plans include a 5 month supply of drinking water and canned food...
almost all canned/preserved foods last that long +

barter seems OK too...
for example, trading a loaf of bread for a piece of precious metal

just do not use the currency that the false Christ's system produces
because then that would be accepting that system.

anything else I'll leave up to God...
after all, He did make water come forth from a rock right?
and if He wants to use you as a witness against this false Christ and his false kingdom,
then He'll need you alive just for that...

the church of Smyrna is the counterpart to the Philadelphia letter IMO, they share the same doctrine
and in the 7 letters, only these 2 are NOT chastised by Christ

so as I see it, Christ defines the 7 candlesticks as 7 churches in Rev1..
individually defines them in Rev2-3
and then we see 2 of them (candlesticks) against the beast in Rev11
as part of the two witnesses

IMO it is the two candlesticks of Smyrna and Philadelphia
that are the two candlesticks of Rev11

have fun at the forum

 

[Truth Files]

"well, IMO no one is slaughtered in the trib....
no one will be hunted down and be-headed etc...
imo that is fantasy"

Really?

Explain these scriptures [Revelation 6:9-11; 12:10-11; 12:17; 13:7-11; 13:15; 14:12-13; 15:2-3; 20:4]

It is the devil who is spreading the ruse that today's church will go into the tribulation period ..... and then he says not to worry because you will be protected and will not be persecuted and killed

.... his rant is a direct contradiction of the scriptures and he has motivations for selling his deception [Revelation 12:12]

Why does the the "pre-tribber" bother to answer the OP ... to give those who have been led to think otherwise a significant warning [Matthew 25:1-3; 2Thessalonians 2:2-8; Revelation 3:15-19]

 

[Migdala]

Charles - You are assuming that you will know the antichrist when he arrives. That, according to the Bible, is not, necessarily, the case. It says that "many will be deceived".
If you can somehow find a way to live without buying or selling, then you MIGHT survive. Don't forget there could very well be devastating natural disasters to contend with, along with the effects of an all out nuclear war.

Those are my opinions.

I've always thought that maybe the verse that says "many will be deceived" is talking about the Jews...accepting the AntiChrist as their Messiah, since they don't believe that Jesus is. I don't think that a true Christian will be deceived, because we read the Bible and know the signs, and we know that Jesus will come back in the clouds, and every eye will see Him....so no real Christian would believe anyone who came along claiming to be God...but the Jews who have rejected Yehoshua would......many will be deceived who don't read the Bible and know the signs of our Savior's coming.

 

[jonahthesign]

You had better work on that fear and hope for the best. I read about people who were persecuted until death and I cry. I only pray that for one, God finds me worthy to face such a death and two, that I will be able to endure it.

 

[John S]

Migdala - I'm Sorry - but you're wrong because - even the Elect would be deceived, if that were possible.
MANY people, Christians included, will be deceived.
He will appear to be a "Good Guy". Why wouldn't you be fooled?
What kind of person are you looking for?

 

[Truth Files]

"many will be deceived who don't read the Bible and know the signs of our Savior's coming"

Like billions today who have no interest in the Lord's word at all [Psalms 2; Matthew 24:36-39; 1Thessalonians 5:1-9; Revelation 6:12-17]

An unbelieving portion of Israel will be in the numbers .... but there is going to be a believing remnant of the nation who will be saved [Isaiah 11:11-12; 27:13; Jeremiah 30; 31; Ezekiel 36; 39:12-29; Daniel 9:24-27; Zechariah 13:8-9; Luke 21:36; Romans 11:25-36]

But none of Israel will think that the beast is the nation's Messiah ... he will be perceived as the nation's enemy by all of them because he will seek to destroy the nation

This Islamic beast of satan's bidding will rise in the Middle East and Israel would never accept him as their Messiah and King [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; Daniel 2: 40-44; 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; 12:7; Micah 5:5-6; Revelation 13:1-4; 17:8-14]

Any who go into the coming tribulation period of the Lord's wrath will be vulnerable to satan's deceptions and his intent to destroy them in one way or another [even those who will follow and worship his beast] .... even those who repent and turn to the Lord during the period [2Thessalonians 2:2-12; Revelation 12:12]

 

[jonahthesign]

When I read the verse that says about the signs and lying wonders that would deceive the elect, IF it were possible,

I take this to mean that it is impossible to decieve the elect.

 

[Truth Files]

I would agree

Satan will not deceive those who become believers during the tribulation period, these will know what is going on ..... but because of their refusal to worship his beast, he will set out to destroy them

 

[Charles Spurgeon]

Good heavens, you guys make it seem that true Christians who enter the tribulation are going to somehow forget who the real Lord is. You also seem to make it sound we can lose our salvation.

There is absolutely, positively, no biblical proof for a pre-tribulation rapture. I use to believe it myself, until I looked at all the rapture passages... the rapture is right at the end, as the Lord is coming back. It's meant to gather us together.

Look at Matthew 24:29-31. THAT'S IT!!! That whole passage is the key to everything related to the rapture!!

 

[zeke37]

u r correct Charles, but "they" just won't agree with you...

 

[zeke37]

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[Lisa*Lisa]

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[juvenissun]

Note: I only want those who believe in the post-tribulation rapture to post to this. Sorry, no pre-tribbers.

Thanks

Alright, how should we plan properly to survive the Tribulation... it seems that it could be in our lifetime. I know from Revelation 3:10 that the Lord will ultimately protect us... but obviously somehow the Lord is going to allow the evil ones to slaughter a lot of us... But until that point... we can figure out how to survive it.

Should we hide in the woods/wilderness?
Should we try to build hidden, and secret underground bunkers?
There's an Island I'm thinking of that's 3 1/2 hours away from me, that only has about 350 year round residents on it, and is 53 square miles. Do you think hiding within the woods and state land on this Island would protect me?

What I'm worried about: Food supplies will be wiped out within a few years of the tribulation. Therefore MREs or freeze-dried foods will have to be stocked in the tonnage just to even allow one person to survive, let alone a family.

Fresh-water sources will probably be destroyed, at least a third of them... therefore should 500 gallon tanks be buried underground, and filled with fresh water before the tribulation starts? My dad use to own this green 300-500 gallon farm tank that would go on the back of a truck... maybe 3-4 of these could be buried and tied in with your bunker in the woods.

What about self-defense, should we as Christians try to do away with those who try to do away with us? Or if we're found out, should we just let it be? Should we carry a few guns? Should we buy bullet-proof armor and etc?

Another worry: spy satellites with infrared technology... how could a person hide in the woods and not have a satellite track you? Does anyway know of any anti-ir clothing and technology that could be used?

How should we try to survive this? My guess is that the trib could start within 20 years, but I'm unsure...

Practically, the only thing you need to think about is:

How to pretend that you are not a Christian without violating God's command.
If successful, it might protect you, unless you are directly hit a brimstone.

 

[1whirlwind]

Note: I only want those who believe in the post-tribulation rapture to post to this. Sorry, no pre-tribbers.

Thanks

Alright, how should we plan properly to survive the Tribulation... it seems that it could be in our lifetime. I know from Revelation 3:10 that the Lord will ultimately protect us... but obviously somehow the Lord is going to allow the evil ones to slaughter a lot of us... But until that point... we can figure out how to survive it.

Should we hide in the woods/wilderness?
Should we try to build hidden, and secret underground bunkers?
There's an Island I'm thinking of that's 3 1/2 hours away from me, that only has about 350 year round residents on it, and is 53 square miles. Do you think hiding within the woods and state land on this Island would protect me?

What I'm worried about: Food supplies will be wiped out within a few years of the tribulation. Therefore MREs or freeze-dried foods will have to be stocked in the tonnage just to even allow one person to survive, let alone a family.

Fresh-water sources will probably be destroyed, at least a third of them... therefore should 500 gallon tanks be buried underground, and filled with fresh water before the tribulation starts? My dad use to own this green 300-500 gallon farm tank that would go on the back of a truck... maybe 3-4 of these could be buried and tied in with your bunker in the woods.

What about self-defense, should we as Christians try to do away with those who try to do away with us? Or if we're found out, should we just let it be? Should we carry a few guns? Should we buy bullet-proof armor and etc?

Another worry: spy satellites with infrared technology... how could a person hide in the woods and not have a satellite track you? Does anyway know of any anti-ir clothing and technology that could beThere used?

How should we try to survive this? My guess is that the trib could start within 20 years, but I'm unsure...

The world has experienced tribulation for a long time but the "great tribulation" is for a relatively short time...five months, as written. In my opinion it begins this year.

Please understand that it will be an intensified time of deception, spiritual deception. So, to prepare you need not flee to the woods, buy special clothing, etc. You do prepare by knowing what will happen and who arrives first. That would be the fake, in whatever form he/they take. Know your enemy and know he is "transformed into an angel of light."

11 Corinthians 11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
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Know who he is, when he arrives and WAIT for the Savior!

Luke 21:18-19 But there shall not an hair of your head perish. In your patience possess ye your souls.
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Because of worldly events there may well be food shortages...even now prices are greatly increasing so...stock up for yourselves and others.


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