Surviving the Tribulation

[zeke37]

I hold to pre-wrath rapture, this doesn't imply me believing I won't be tested.

it implies that you believe the GT is God's wrath....and that you are not subject to wrath...
it's usually the first step from a pre trib understanding, into a post trib understanding...

the GT is NOT the wrath that we are NOT appointed.

Regardless, what is the equivalent of passing the test/escaping the winepress?

only the 144,000 alive on earth, (who i contend are Christian witnesses)
escape the wine-press...whether it be a literal number or not...

that means, either way, there is a whole lot of folks going into the wine-press...

i wonder how many will come out??? sheaves on the threshing floor!!!!

but I think that the wrath of God can do a few different things...
I think it can refine some (in the Millennium) and destroy others...

 

[B1inHim]

>I will .... hold on

OK, when you do actually post the answer to the question, please contact me and let me know your answer.

In regards to OP Matthew 25: 1-13 and Rev. 12:11

Thanks,
Brother Jerry

 

[Truth Files]

"OK, when you do actually post the answer to the question, please contact me and let me know your answer"

>You missed it .... I did post it .... here it is again:

"IF you believe that you have scripture that directly links the definitive ones who pro-create during this time frame, please provide them."

>The following scriptures prove that mortals will enter and populate the Lord’s coming millennial kingdom

>These passages of prophetic scripture have never been fulfilled as recorded, but they will be

[Isaiah 11:1-10; Jeremiah 30:18-20; 31:8-9; Ezekiel 36:10-11; 36:36-37; Micah 4:1-3; Zechariah 14:17-19; Revelation 20:1-3]

>The nations of the Lord’s coming millennial kingdom will be mortals kept from satan’s deceptions

>The immortals of His church will rule with Him over these mortals of the nations for a period of 1000 years .... and beyond

 

[Truth Files]

"OK, when you do actually post the answer to the question, please contact me and let me know your answer.

In regards to OP Matthew 25: 1-13 and Rev. 12:11"

>What was you question about these scriptures?

 

[zeke37]

What a gas bag of folly above

You avoid each and ever question with nonsense

you are welcome to your opinion

I have to warn you that if you are alive when the Lord brings His judgment you will be a prime candidate for the partaking

only the elect are not...

Those who think that they have to be tested by the Lord's wrath against unbelief have a persecution complex and are actually denying His promise to save them

first off, you do not seem to understand...
the wrath in the GT is Satan's wrath, not God's wrath..see Rev12

we are all subject to it....how will you cope?

By grace through faith is the believer saved and not of works lest any man should boast

and? better keep your faith centered on the true Messiah,
and not the pretender that comes first to deceive the church and everyone else.

many will be beguiled by the lamb that speaks as a dragon...
and you don't even think you'll be here...

 

[Truth Files]

"the wrath in the GT is Satan's wrath, not God's wrath..see Rev12"

>Hobgoblin

>It is the Lord who will use satan to bring His judgment against an unbelieving world

>Because all who enter the tribulation period will have refused to believe the truth about Him .... so He will give them the devil

[2Thessalonians 2:2-12; Revelation 12:9; 12:12; 17:12-17]

The post-tribuation view that the wrath of the Lord and the wrath of satan are two different things that will operate in two different time frames is an invented idea .... this does not agree with the scriptural intents of the Lord who will come to execute all of the judgments recorded in Revelation's unfolding ..... all of them

[Psalms 2; Revelation 6:12-17; 7:1-3; 8:2-13; 9:1-21; 11:3-6; 11:11-19; 14:7-11; 14:14-20; 15:4-8; 16:1-16; 17:12-18; 1-21; 19:1-2; 19:11-21; 20:1-3]

To say that the Lord is not coming to do all of this is a ruse with the devil himself in the details

The Lord will use satan in the process ..... and then destroy him and all of those who follow

 

[zeke37]

I am always wondering why so many folks who read those in the white robes are resurrected Christians, when the scripture plainly says in Rev.6:11 they are told to "REST" a little longer.....they are still waiting to be resurrected, as Paul said somewhere "to be dead" was to be with the Lord, when a Christian dies they go to be with the Lord and are waiting for the resurrection and gathering up of those who are still alive AT HIS COMING, a combined single event

absolutely correct..don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

Yet you fail to provide any concrete evidence as to this "all out protection" we will somehow receive, of which is where this apparent "contradiction" comes from.

i did provide it...Luke21

"we" will fall into one of 2 groups...elect or deceived...

the "elect" are protected, so no literal death for them...
the "deceived" are beguiled/seduced...and we know that the Locust army cannot kill them.

so who's left?

these are the Lord's rules...
and Satan finally breaks them when the two olive tree witnesses are killed

and that basically ends Satan's time,
as a few days later Christ arrives and puts an end to his kingdom.

So you hold there will be no death throughout this time?

not sure...but no death by Satan or his forces

Same concept as arguing God flooded the earth "symbolically" and killed all living creatures on earth "symbolically". Despite the fact that the scriptures are clear, we throw in symbolism where it doesn't belong, which is what you are doing.

i do not contend that the flood of Noah's time was symbolic..
however the flood of Rev12 certainly is...

and so is the famine of the end times...not for food as Amos 8 puts it.

I still find it ridiculous how you want to cling to the idea that Rev.13:15 doesn't actually imply "killing", and that the word "should" implies simply a "threat" or that the beast will somehow kill non-conformists "symbolically".

that's ok...i don't expect everyone to agree..
but when a seeming contradiction appears, i really dive in and try to figure it out...
thus is the case with any literal death of Christians in the GT, IMO

 

[B1inHim]

"
>The following scriptures prove that mortals will enter and populate the Lord’s coming millennial kingdom

>These passages of prophetic scripture have never been fulfilled as recorded, but they will be

[Isaiah 11:1-10; Jeremiah 30:18-20; 31:8-9; Ezekiel 36:10-11; 36:36-37; Micah 4:1-3; Zechariah 14:17-19; Revelation 20:1-3]

Thanks...
I am tired tonight but I will take a look at them later and see...

By and in His Love,
Brother Jerry

 

[Truth Files]

"not sure...but no death by Satan or his forces"

>How could you possibly miss this truth [Revelation 6:9-11; 9:15; 11:7; 13:1-7; 13:10; 13:15; 14:12-13

>You say that you will be protected during the tribulation of the Lord's wrath that you are going to enter ..... I can tell you that only the 144000 Israelites and the believing remnant of Israel who will flee are those guaranteed protection .... unless you are one of these you will not

>It is satan who is deceiving you about your protection and when you get their [if you do] you will discover his trapping .... he knows that you will not be and you will be vulnerable to his ambitions ..... this is where you are making a grave mistake by standing against the Lord's promise to keep you from His coming period of judgment

>He said that you must be ready for the keeping .... and if not he will spit you into the wiles of His coming tribulation against an unbelieving world [Revelation 3:15-19]

>Do not let the devil snooker you into the same place where he is going .... it will be like a badger in your pants

 

[zeke37]

"not sure...but no death by Satan or his forces"

>How could you possibly miss this truth
[Revelation 6:9-11;

the dead of the past....not during the trib.

9:15;

a third is symbolic of the deception that is coming...
think spiritual....not literal.

1/3 of the stars were cast to the earth...
that's what this is talking about...
1/3 will fall for Satan's deceptions...

11:7;

I do think that the two olive trees are literally killed a few days before Christ comes.

13:1-7;

nothing until verse 7, where the Saints will be overcome...
overcome does not mean killed...it means seduced in this case...
Satan certainly does overcome them with his lies...

he convinces them that he is Jesus returned...and they buy it.
he seduces/beguiles them

13:10;

first off it is the patience of the Saints...
and don't you know what the "sword" is ?

13:15;

our point of contention

14:12-13

when Christ arrives, which is by this time, (He's on earth in Rev14)
all flesh has been changed to the spiritual body (heavenly body)
so this is not literal either...a literal death can not happen anymore


i did not miss anything...how can you believe in contradiction?

>You say that you will be protected during the tribulation of the Lord's wrath that you are going to enter .....

I did not say anything of the sort, although I hope i am one of the elect.

the tribulation is not the Lord's wrath

I can tell you that only the 144000 Israelites and the believing remnant of Israel who will flee are those guaranteed protection .... unless you are one of these you will not

i'm sure you could tell me thousands of things...lol
you could tell me that the word Jew = Israel....or that the word Israel = Jew
you'd be wrong....but you could tell me....lol.
i do not think you know who Israel even is Bro.

>It is satan who is deceiving you about your protection and when you get their [if you do] you will discover his trapping .... he knows that you will not be and you will be vulnerable to his ambitions ..... this is where you are making a grave mistake by standing against the Lord's promise to keep you from His coming period of judgment

God did not promise to remove me from the earth...that is a fantasy.
Satan wants you to think that you are not going to be here for it at all...
what easier way to seduce you in that time...u'r already 1/2 way there.

>He said that you must be ready for the keeping ....
and if not he will spit you into the wiles of His coming tribulation against an unbelieving world [Revelation 3:15-19]

He warns us to keep watch and that He comes like a thief
even as late in the game as in between the 6th and 7th vials of God's wrath....
deal with it

again, the trib is not God's wrath...God allows Satan his wrath....
the church is here for all of the tribulation...we are all tested by God.

and of the church, 144,000 are redeemed of men when the Lord comes...
the rest of the Christians are seduced...most alive today will be seduced IMO


learn the difference between Jew and Israelite...
the 144,000 have nothing to do with today's unbelieving Jews in the middle east.
they have everything to do with Christians (Scattered Israel became the Christian nations)

>Do not let the devil snooker you into the same place where he is going .... it will be like a badger in your pants

the devil has snookered you already, into believing that you won't be here to be tempted of him...

he's 1/2 way to deceiving you already, and he's not even here yet!
the father of all lies...

speaking of pants, be careful to make sure you have something on when the Lord comes...
else they see your shame....naked...doh!

 

[Criada]

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[papaJP]

I guess it is necessary when you take a position that many do not believe you must not let them post on your tread. How judgemental and parinoid can you get.

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

I understand your dilemma OP, I"m in the same boat. I think of it this way. Noah was told to build the ark and prepare, he did.

Lot and his family were told to run from the city, and they did.

The israelites were told to go out in the desert, and they did.

God told these people to do things, and they obeyed. He did not do it all for them. He told them to act, and when they did, He provided the rest.

I'm doing what I can, and when I can't do anymore, He will do the rest. Do whatever God puts in your heart to do.

Amen to that sister.

Indeed the Lord has told us to get out of her. He has told us to flee into the wilderness and He has told us He will show us the hidden manna.

For those who remain in society, they will be accursed. For those who take the mark, they will be damned. But for those who put their full faith in God, they will leave their material possessions, flee into the wilderness where God leads them, and there He will show them the hidden manna.


As for killing another human being, it is forbidden. Jesus warned us to keep the commandments, but did Abram need to kill though he walked and even camped amongst his enemies.

I tell you this. Faith will allow for us to not only walk past the searching troopers, but be blessed in passing with food, supplies etc.


Praise and exalt Him above all forever!