Surgeons remove two fetuses from infant

[momalle1]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12056405/

Good thing this girl didn't live in South Dakota.

 

[Pentecostal Boy]

poor little thing... I wonder what causes that. I knew that it could happen but I forget what makes it happen.

 

[wanderingone]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12056405/

Good thing this girl didn't live in South Dakota.

I doubt it would be considered an abortion even in South Dakota ... it's a rare condition that occurs every now and then when multiples don't separate correctly.. kind of conjoined twins gone even more haywire.

 

[Kelly]

Good thing this girl didn't live in South Dakota.

Give me a break.

 

[Pentecostal Boy]

Good thing this girl didn't live in South Dakota.

Dude, that's not even funny. That is obnoxious.

 

[momalle1]

Whatever, don't want to face reality, then don't. Fact is, many of the states considering banning abortions are offering zero exceptions, removing a fetus is an abortion, plain and simple.

 

[Futuwwa]

Uh-huh, claiming that pro-lifers in general wouldn't approve of that operation is like claiming that pro-choicers in general want unrestricted partial-birth abortion. That is, totally ludicrous, and only of propaganda value to the opposite camp.

 

[momalle1]

Uh-huh, claiming that pro-lifers in general wouldn't approve of that operation is like claiming that pro-choicers in general want unrestricted partial-birth abortion. That is, totally ludicrous, and only of propaganda value to the opposite camp.

I don't believe there is anyone that wouldn't approve of this, including pro-lifers. Pro-lifers should consider being over-zealous when approving legislation, technically this is an abortion, and would be illegal. Many won't consider an exception if the mother's life is in danger, and thus support no exceptions. Make all the excuses you want, but it doesn't change anything.

 

[thatgirliknew]

Whatever, don't want to face reality, then don't. Fact is, many of the states considering banning abortions are offering zero exceptions, removing a fetus is an abortion, plain and simple.

Actually, I was under the impression that they were offering an exception, one in which the life of the woman was in danger.

 

[Futuwwa]

Well, in this case, clearly, there's no way the body of a two months old kid will be able to provide life support for twins growing inside her. At the latest, the delivery would kill all of them. To think any pro-lifer would disapprove of an "abortion" in this case would be to assume total irrationality from the pro-lifers.

I wonder what the recent pope would think of this. After all, his stance on abortion was more no-no than anyone elses, including those of theocratic Islamic rulers around the world.

 

[SimplyMe]

Actually, I was under the impression that they were offering an exception, one in which the life of the woman was in danger.

As I understand the point, it has nothing to do with whether pro-life people consider this a valid exception but the way the law is written. Based on my understanding of the law passed in South Dakota, removing this fetus would be considered an illegal abortion. I believe the point was not to claim pro-lifers are evil but rather we need to be more careful about the legislation we pass.

 

[momalle1]

As I understand the point, it has nothing to do with whether pro-life people consider this a valid exception but the way the law is written. Based on my understanding of the law passed in South Dakota, removing this fetus would be considered an illegal abortion. I believe the point was not to claim pro-lifers are evil but rather we need to be more careful about the legislation we pass.

Exactly. No exceptions means no exceptions, laws should be written well enough so that they don't have to be rewritten. A total exception law requires judges to make moral decisions, making them activists. A judge should be upholding the law, not making moral decisions.

 

[burrow_owl]

I doubt it would be considered an abortion even in South Dakota ... it's a rare condition that occurs every now and then when multiples don't separate correctly.. kind of conjoined twins gone even more haywire.

It's still murder, though.

Aren't pro-lifers committed to the position that the girl should have been used as a container for the two fetii? After all, they had to sacrifice two human beings to save one. What makes the two-year old so special that two innocent souls would have to be shuffled off this mortal coil?

 

[Kelly]

Abbasi said surgeons removed the two partially grown fetuses, totaling about two pounds, that had died at about 4 months.

Anybody read that on yahoo news? They were dead at 4 months. So the abortion debate is kind of moot.

 

[momalle1]

Anybody read that on yahoo news? They were dead at 4 months. So the abortion debate is kind of moot.

I read it, don't bother to consider if they had discovered the fetuses before they died or anything. The fact that they were dead has no bearing on the discussion.

 

[Pentecostal Boy]

actually it does.

 

[Quantos]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12056405/

Good thing this girl didn't live in South Dakota.

Given that

that had died at about 4 months.

That's just sick & wrong to say somthing like that.

 

[momalle1]

actually it does.

Simplyme stated it best, and this case only illustrates a possibility no one thought of, how many more are there? I guess if you can't see the issue created here, that there was a time the fetuses were alive, and had they been discovered they still would have been removed, then I guess we are best served by simple minded legislation. Does it actually have to happen before you legislate properly?

 

[Quantos]

Whatever, don't want to face reality, then don't. Fact is, many of the states considering banning abortions are offering zero exceptions, removing a fetus is an abortion, plain and simple.

Umm They were ALREADY DEAD. Did you read the news article ?

 

[Kelly]

I read it, don't bother to consider if they had discovered the fetuses before they died or anything. The fact that they were dead has no bearing on the discussion.

The baby was 2 months old, they said the fetuses died at 4 months, this had to be discovered through ultrasound or something.