Super-Continent Pangaea

[Loudmouth]

There is nothing to ignore because there is no science that contradicts the Bible.

So you accept evolution?

God stands behind the Bible.

Evidence?

I have been watching your try to falsify the Bible and you ALWAYS fail and you always well fail because it is totally impossible to prove the Bible to be in error because the Bible is absolute truth and 100% dependable, accurate and reliable.

We have been watching you run away from the science we present.

 

[Jimmy D]

I do not have to accept Kat Kerr as being real. It can be total fiction and that does not change a thing. Then we have an allegory. The Book hinds feet on high places by hannah hurnard is an allegory and there is a lot to be learned from this book. Even though Hurnard never got all the details of her story worked out. There are enough pieces there that I can put the picture together. For example a part of Hurnard's book tells the story of how does the Bee receive his stinger. This is an allegorical story that helps us to understand the world that we live in today.

In Florida a child was killed by alligator at Disney world. So we tell children stores of a world where animals do not harm children. Like the movie Honey I Shrank the Kids. Where children are shrunk down so they are the size of an ant so that they even ride the ants and become friends with the ant. We know how dangerous the real world is. So we create stories about a world where: "I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you."

If you do not need that comfort, if you do not need that assurance of well being. Then fine, move on and don't look back. I like Kat Kerr and I enjoy her stories if they are real or not. It is a lot better then a lot of the garbage that we put on the TV and allow our kids to watch.

Fair enough, we can agree on that!

 

[Jimmy D]

Now when you talk about a "world wide flood" you are leaving the story of Adam and Eve and going on to the story of Noah. After the flood God established a covenant with Noah. Noah's flood was somewhere around 4300 or 4400 years ago. We know that there was NOT a world wife flood at that time. So Noah's flood must have been a local flood. In fact right now it is believed that the Garden of Eden is still under the water. So the world that Noah's story refers to was a bio-diverse eco-system, not the whole biosphere. The lesson we learn from Noah is that God give man a limited amount of time to repent. In Noah's day the world was flooded with water.

I do agree that if there was a flood it was a local one, I also agree the tale is used to teach us about god, but.....

The bible clearly states that the flood was global and it killed every human and every animal on Earth (apart from Noah's boatload obviously). Science can obviously prove beyond all doubt that this is the not case, we've known this for several hundred years since the beginnings of modern geology and biology. This surely demonstrates your oft repeated mantra of "science proves the bible true" is clearly false, science is obviously proving what is written in the bible is not literally true. I'm not suggesting that it has no value as a teaching aid (not to us atheists of course!), it obviously did or it wouldn't have been recorded.

My point is that according to your quote above you are prepared to interpret (and alter) the biblical stories in the light of scientific findings, so saying "science proves the bible true" is false. Actually your interpretation of the bible is constantly changing to accommodate your scientific knowledge. If how you interpret something is constantly changing in the light of new knowledge (and also varying massively from individual to individual) how true can it be?

 

[Jimmy D]

I just saw this In Situ post this.....

"If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself." -- Agustine of Hippo

Pretty much sums up what I was trying to say, but more eloquently.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The bible clearly states that the flood was global and it killed every human and every animal on Earth (apart from Noah's boatload obviously).

There are things you have to do to understand the Bible. You have to follow the rules they teach you in Bible College. First of all the word for "EARTH" Is Adam-ah and this means the Land of Adam. Not the entire world. Now lets go to science and the neolithic revolution. You will see that farming began in the Furtile Crescent, the Tigris Euphrates River Valley, what they call Ancient Mesopotamia. Interestingly enough farming spread from there to Europe. Lots of research has gone into a study of the beginning of civilization and the beginning of man being a food producer rather than a good gathers. I have spent 50 years to study all of this. So I know after 50 years of study that there is NO conflict and there is NO contradiction between the Bible and Science. Modern science has changed our understanding of the Bible but that is to be expected. The Bible is designed to be made new and fresh for each and every generation. WE can not trust our Grandparents to teach us what the meaning of the Bible was for them. WE need to discover the truth for ourselves and apply the truth of the Bible to our generation in our day and in our time.

So telling me what people believed 100 years ago is all rather absurd of you because science has made a LOT of progress in the last 100 years so we are able to understand the Bible a LOT better today then they did 100 years ago. I have no problem with Bishop Ussher and his book. That is all fine and good. But I think you do not even know as much as he did 600 years ago when he wrote his book. I think you need to demonstrate to me that you know more then just the dime store variety of pratts.

 

[-57]

We know that science is not always correct. An interesting book to read is: "The Half-Life of Facts: Why Everything We Know Has an Expiration Date".

The Bible is 3500 years old and remains consistent and true. If you go to your university book store the text books go through constant revision and updates. No one has to update or revise the Bible.

You have.

 

[-57]

There are things you have to do to understand the Bible. You have to follow the rules they teach you in Bible College. First of all the word for "EARTH" Is Adam-ah and this means the Land of Adam. Not the entire world.

If the higest mountains in Adams area were covered....this means the flood was a bit more than local.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If the highest mountains in Adams area were covered....this means the flood was a bit more than local.

Read what Moses said in the original Hebrew Language. You will see that the high hills were covered. It is impossible that Noah's flood was a world wide flood. There is overwhelming evidence to show that Noah's flood had to be what we call a local flood from our perspective today.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The bible clearly states that the flood was global and it killed every human and every animal on Earth (apart from Noah's boatload obviously).

If you read the original Hebrew. Noah's flood could have been local from our perspective. For example the word used was Adam-ah. This is the land that Adam lived in. It was Adams world that was destroyed. You have to look at God's covenant with Adam. This is the world of food producers, not the hunter gathers. I have studied the Bible knowing what we know today and I do not see any conflict between Science and the Bible. People like Francis Collins do not see any conflict between Science and the Bible.

 

[Herman Hedning]

Not at all. The skeptics and scoffers come on here taking huge amounts of time and they accomplish nothing. The truth is very simple and very easy. In fact we can teach Bible truth to a one year old child.

Of course you can. "Listen here, son. The Bible is the absolute truth. Why is that, dad? Well, because dad says so. And don't you believe otherwise!"

 

[florida2]

Why does that worry you?
Because we can have them indoctrinated before the government and the public schools get a hold of them?

Exactly.

Indoctrinating a young child into a religion is one of the worst things a parent can do imo. Let them grow up with the ability to think logically and critically so they can make their own decisions about what to believe or not.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Of course you can. "Listen here, son. The Bible is the absolute truth. Why is that, dad? Well, because dad says so. And don't you believe otherwise!"

Don't take my word for it and while you are at it don't take skeptic dot com word for it either. God is going to expect you to put effort into making a determination for yourself. There will be a test and no one can do the work for you. There is no silver spoon, no one is going to spoon feed you. Your going to have to do this for yourself. To be more exact you can do one of two things, either try to prove the Bible is accurate and true. Or try to prove the Bible is NOT true. Again, NO CHEATERS allow, you have to do all your own homework. You can not copy anyone elses work. On the day of judgement when you go before God there will be no excuses. Any you will not be able to blame anyone other then yourself.

 

[bhsmte]

If the higest mountains in Adams area were covered....this means the flood was a bit more than local.

Correct.

Now, all we need is evidence that this type of flood ever happened.

Do you have any?

 

[bhsmte]

Don't take my word for it and while you are at it don't take skeptic dot com word for it either. God is going to expect you to put effort into making a determination for yourself. There will be a test and no one can do the work for you. There is no silver spoon, no one is going to spoon feed you. Your going to have to do this for yourself. To be more exact you can do one of two things, either try to prove the Bible is accurate and true. Or try to prove the Bible is NOT true. Again, NO CHEATERS allow, you have to do all your own homework. You can not copy anyone elses work. On the day of judgement when you go before God there will be no excuses. Any you will not be able to blame anyone other then yourself.

I always enjoy these empty threats.

 

[-57]

Correct.

Now, all we need is evidence that this type of flood ever happened.

Do you have any?

I have plenty of evidence. I could google it then cut and paste articles all day long.

 

[bhsmte]

I have plenty of evidence. I could google it then cut and paste articles all day long.

This evidence would be from legit geologists, correct?

I ask because, it was a group of Christian geologists, that first slammed the door on acknowledging there was zero scientific evidence of a global flood ever happening.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I always enjoy these empty threats.

The prisons are full of people that though getting caught was an empty threat.

 

[bhsmte]

The prisons are full of people that though getting caught was an empty threat.

And they are convicted with real evidence, based on real laws.

When you can establish any of these religious based threats are real, feel free.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Correct.

Now, all we need is evidence that this type of flood ever happened.

Do you have any?

The proof is in the pudding. Noah's "world" was a world of food producers. IF Noah's world had not been saved then the neolithic revolution would never have happened and we would not be having this conversation today. You would be out hunting rabbit for your dinner instead of communicating on a computer.

 

[bhsmte]

The proof is in the pudding. Noah's "world" was a world of food producers. IF Noah's world had not been saved then the neolithic revolution would never have happened and we would not be having this conversation today. You would be out hunting rabbit for your dinner instead of communicating on a computer.

I don't see any scientific evidence.