Super-Continent Pangaea

[Jimmy D]

The scientific evidence is the photos from the space satellite. They conform how accurate and true the Bible is. You are the one that does not have a leg to stand on. IF the Bible were not true science could show that. The Flood was NOT a world wide flood, the evidence for that is overwelming. So now you on your part have to provide evidence that the Garden of Eden did not exist and you have zip, zero, nothing. I have evidence from many Botany books and many published articles that is rather boring but they all confirm that the Bible is accurate and true. Here is a book written by Pam J. Crabtree that is even more evidence that Science shows the Bible is assure and true. There are many, many, many articles in Scientific Journals that substantiate that the Bible is accurate and true. You have nothing, zip, zero to offer in the way of evidence that the Bible is not 100% accurate and true. I have overwhelming evidence and you bring NOTHING to the discussion. Even with all of your degrees and all of your education you have nothing to offer in the way of evidence to back up your claim. People like to sit on their laurels in their ivory tower and they offer nothing of substance in the real world. That is why it is been said that those who can do and those who can't teach. I will give you dozens and dozens of articles and lets see if you can find anything at all that contradicts the Bible. I bet you come up with nothing. Because all of the scientific evidence confirms that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. You have NOTHING to show otherwise.

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ab57

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ab57

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/33/11597.full

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/the-lost-gardens-of-babylon-guide-to-ancient-plants/1176/

"Early Animal Domestication in the Middle East and Europe"

https://www.jstor.org/stable/20170232?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...l+Domestication+in+the+Middle+East+and+Europe

What do you think your links prove?

1.

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ab57

Animals were domesticated at some point in human history, we know that, where does it describe the process or timeline in the bible?

2.

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/33/11597.full

Again, we're aware of the gradual appearance of agricultural practices in the Neolithic. How does this prove the bible? If anything I'd say that this link disproves the bible as the timescales differ greatly.

The initial steps toward plant and animal domestication in the Eastern Mediterranean can now be pushed back to the 12th millennium cal B.P. Evidence for herd management and crop cultivation appears at least 1,000 years earlier than the morphological changes traditionally used to document domestication. Different species seem to have been domesticated in different parts of the Fertile Crescent, with genetic analyses detecting multiple domestic lineages for each species. Recent evidence suggests that the expansion of domesticates and agricultural economies across the Mediterranean was accomplished by several waves of seafaring colonists who established coastal farming enclaves around the Mediterranean Basin.

Domestication of different animals happened in different places at different times (over 1000 years apart).

3.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution

I'm aware of the Neolithic revolution, I haven't heard it mentioned in the bible though.

4.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/the-lost-gardens-of-babylon-guide-to-ancient-plants/1176/

They had plants in Babylon, how does that prove the Bible true?

This is getting ridiculous now, it's like saying that the existence of mountains proves Lord of the Rings true.

 

[Loudmouth]

What is your problem? This is getting to be very redundant. You simply are NOT clicking on the links I am giving you. Or if you are then you simply do not want to admit that I have overwhelming evidence from hundreds of thousands of articles that confirms that the Bible is accurate and true beyond any doubt.

Which links contain a satellite image of the Garden of Eden?

 

[Loudmouth]

The Bible is very clear about the animals that we expect to find in the Garden of Eden.

What Garden of Eden? Evidence please.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What Garden of Eden?

The garden of eden that we read about in the Bible. As I told you many times we are talking about the evolution of a bio-diverse eco-system. If you knew anything at all about biology then you would know what I am talking about. You can buy a biology text book on Amazon, I would highly recommend you buy one so you can keep up with the conversation.

ec·o·sys·tem
ˈēkōˌsistəm/
noun
ECOLOGY
plural noun: ecosystems

1. a biological community of interacting organisms and their physical environment.

An ecosystem includes all of the living things (plants, animals and organisms) in a given area, interacting with each other, and also with their non-living environments (weather, earth, sun, soil, climate, atmosphere). In an ecosystem, each organism has its' own niche or role to play.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Which links contain a satellite image of the Garden of Eden?

Of course I always present evidence from science.
I can give you hundreds of thousands of links that will show scientific evidence for the Bible.

http://www.livescience.com/10340-lost-civilization-existed-beneath-persian-gulf.html

 

[Loudmouth]

The garden of eden that we read about in the Bible. As I told you many times we are talking about the evolution of a bio-diverse eco-system.

I am talking about the Garden of Eden. Where is it?

If you knew anything at all about biology then you would know what I am talking about.

I have read many scientific papers in the field of biology, and I have yet to see a single one containing evidence for the Garden of Eden. You have yet to produce a single one.

You can buy a biology text book on Amazon, I would highly recommend you buy one so you can keep up with the conversation.

ec·o·sys·tem
ˈēkōˌsistəm/
noun
ECOLOGY
plural noun: ecosystems

1. a biological community of interacting organisms and their physical environment.

I didn't ask for evidence that ecosystems exist. I asked for evidence that the Garden of Eden exists or existed.

 

[Loudmouth]

Of course I always present evidence from science.
I can give you hundreds of thousands of links that will show scientific evidence for the Bible.

http://www.livescience.com/10340-lost-civilization-existed-beneath-persian-gulf.html

Where is the evidence that this was the Garden of Eden?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Where is the evidence that this was the Garden of Eden?

I have been through four (4) teacher training classes. It is 100% the teachers job to teach and it is 100% the students job to learn. YOU are not doing your part. If you do not do your part then I can not show you anything.

I showed you that Eden IN THE BIBLE is what the Biology book calls an Eco System. We are talking about the Eco-system IN THE MIDDLE EAST. In the Furtile Crescent, In the Tigris-Euphrates River system.

If you want Scientific proof for Eden then there are PhD's that have written books about the Eco System that we find in the middle east. I have pointed this out to you many times and you insist on being obstinate.

You do all you can to suppress the truth because it tears the foundation of your whole belief system out from under you.

For the LURKERS we are talking about the domestication of plants and animals. Adam in the Bible was an archetype of the very first farmer.

archetype ar·che·type (är'kĭ-tīp') n. An original model or type after which other similar things are patterned. In Jungian psychology, an inherited pattern of thought or symbolic image that is derived from the past collective experience of humanity and is present in the unconscious of the individual.

I claim that Adam was a real person. Loudmouth claims that Adam was NOT a real person. Only the problem is that Loudmouth is so very insecure in his belief that he wants to deny science the Science of Biology and dendy that the Neolithic Revolution began in the Middle East exactly the way the Bible says. I can produce HUNDREDS of Peer Reviewed Science articles that will show that the Bible is 100% accurate and true.

Loudmouth tries to argue against this. Only he has nothing in the way of evidence to try to prove his claim. Because he has no evidence he tires to accuse me of what HE is guilty of. This is fairly common for people to accuse others of what they are guilty of because they can not be honest with themselves.

I have overwhelming evidence, tons of evidence. Look at all my posts and all the links that I have in all my posts. What Does Mr Loudmouth have to offer? He has nothing, he can not present any evidence AT ALL to back up his claims. He offers little more then conspiracy theory that is not based on solid science understanding and knowledge.

 

[bhsmte]

I have been through four (4) teacher training classes. It is 100% the teachers job to teach and it is 100% the students job to learn. YOU are not doing your part. If you do not do your part then I can not show you anything.

Teachers are supposed to support what they teach, with something other than bald assertions.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Teachers are supposed to support what they teach, with something other than bald assertions

I do support what I "teach". You just ignore the vast overwhelming evidence that I provide. There must be a reason why you refuse to accept the truth. So we need to deal with that first. The Bible tells me that there are people: "who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil," I do not know you, I do not know anything about you. But the Bible does tell me about people that reject the truth. In fact we are told to avoid foolish questions and controversies.

Those who deny God and fight against God can expect that God will not be there for them in they time of trouble and in their day of need. They will be on their own to deal with whatever issues they have to deal with. In fact we are told: "The Lord shall laugh at him". You consider this to be a threat and this is NOT a threat at all. I am saying everyone needs God and I reject your claim that you do not need God in any way, shape or form.

I know there are lurkers so I give them the answers and the evidence. It is to bad you can not receive any benefit from the answers that I provide for your questions. You continue to mock me, insult me and show me disrespect. I do everything I can to help you to understand and you respond to my kindness with obstance.

What if your patients and Loudmouths students acted like you and him act> Is that what you want? Because we all agree that the way you treat others is the way they are going to treat you. What goes around comes around and in the end you can expect back what you give others.

 

[Gene2memE]

I have been through four (4) teacher training classes. It is 100% the teachers job to teach and it is 100% the students job to learn. YOU are not doing your part. If you do not do your part then I can not show you anything.

I showed you that Eden IN THE BIBLE is what the Biology book calls an Eco System. We are talking about the Eco-system IN THE MIDDLE EAST. In the Furtile Crescent, In the Tigris-Euphrates River system.

No, that's what you claimed. You showed very little. What you did show had almost no relevance to the claims you've made.

If you want Scientific proof for Eden then there are PhD's that have written books about the Eco System that we find in the middle east. I have pointed this out to you many times and you insist on being obstinate.

Then you should have no problem pointing out the relevant passages in their works that support your supposition that the environment of the Tigris-Euphrates river system was the 'Garden of Eden' references in the Bible.

I claim that Adam was a real person. Loudmouth claims that Adam was NOT a real person.

A claim that you've yet to support with evidence.

I can produce HUNDREDS of Peer Reviewed Science articles that will show that the Bible is 100% accurate and true.

Yet, you've consistently failed to produce any of them. There's a point where a claim stops becoming a claim, and just starts becoming noise.

I have overwhelming evidence, tons of evidence. Look at all my posts and all the links that I have in all my posts.

Lets do that. I count:
12 sets of links to bible verses
Nine unsourced pictures
Five Youtube videos, mostly from apologetics sources
Four sets of unsourced graphs
Four links to general apologetics websites
Two links to History of the World - a website aimed at presenting bite size historical narratives with information that "derives largely from information in the Encyclopedia Britannica"
One set of links to Mister Giotto's Home Page "designed for my grade six social studies students, and the Penfield High School Nordic Ski Team."
A link to a Nature article on microanalysis of dinosaur teeth
A PBS link to domesticated plants of the Assyrian empire
A link tho the introduction page of a 1993 Archaeological Method and Theory article on early domestication of animals
A link to a PNAS article on the early domestication of animals
A link to a full paper on 'Shoreline reconstructions for the Persian Gulf since the last glacial maximum'

So, one full paper, and even then the dating and conclusions actively mitigate against your arguments, given that the conclusion is that it took around 12,000 years for the current shoreline to be established and the fastest rate of sea level rise was about 1.44 cm per year.

Nowhere in any of those do I find even the remotest shred of "Scientific proof for Eden".

If I was still in the business of marking history papers, I'd be failing you at this point and asking for a complete re-write.

 

[bhsmte]

I do support what I "teach". You just ignore the vast overwhelming evidence that I provide. There must be a reason why you refuse to accept the truth. So we need to deal with that first. The Bible tells me that there are people: "who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil," I do not know you, I do not know anything about you. But the Bible does tell me about people that reject the truth. In fact we are told to avoid foolish questions and controversies.

Those who deny God and fight against God can expect that God will not be there for them in they time of trouble and in their day of need. They will be on their own to deal with whatever issues they have to deal with. In fact we are told: "The Lord shall laugh at him". You consider this to be a threat and this is NOT a threat at all. I am saying everyone needs God and I reject your claim that you do not need God in any way, shape or form.

I know there are lurkers so I give them the answers and the evidence. It is to bad you can not receive any benefit from the answers that I provide for your questions. You continue to mock me, insult me and show me disrespect. I do everything I can to help you to understand and you respond to my kindness with obstance.

What if your patients and Loudmouths students acted like you and him act> Is that what you want? Because we all agree that the way you treat others is the way they are going to treat you. What goes around comes around and in the end you can expect back what you give others.

If I were you, I wouldn't bet on influencing the lurkers towards your beliefs.

 

[bhsmte]

No, that's what you claimed. You showed very little. What you did show had almost no relevance to the claims you've made.



Then you should have no problem pointing out the relevant passages in their works that support your supposition that the environment of the Tigris-Euphrates river system was the 'Garden of Eden' references in the Bible.



A claim that you've yet to support with evidence.



Yet, you've consistently failed to produce any of them. There's a point where a claim stops becoming a claim, and just starts becoming noise.



Lets do that. I count:
12 sets of links to bible verses
Nine unsourced pictures
Five Youtube videos, mostly from apologetics sources
Four sets of unsourced graphs
Four links to general apologetics websites
Two links to History of the World - a website aimed at presenting bite size historical narratives with information that "derives largely from information in the Encyclopedia Britannica"
One set of links to Mister Giotto's Home Page "designed for my grade six social studies students, and the Penfield High School Nordic Ski Team."
A link to a Nature article on microanalysis of dinosaur teeth
A PBS link to domesticated plants of the Assyrian empire
A link tho the introduction page of a 1993 Archaeological Method and Theory article on early domestication of animals
A link to a PNAS article on the early domestication of animals
A link to a full paper on 'Shoreline reconstructions for the Persian Gulf since the last glacial maximum'

So, one full paper, and even then the dating and conclusions actively mitigate against your arguments, given that the conclusion is that it took around 12,000 years for the current shoreline to be established and the fastest rate of sea level rise was about 1.44 cm per year.

Nowhere in any of those do I find even the remotest shred of "Scientific proof for Eden".

If I was still in the business of marking history papers, I'd be failing you at this point and asking for a complete re-write.

Just imagine what is next.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If I were you, I wouldn't bet on influencing the lurkers towards your beliefs.

I only have to present more evidence then you present and you make that very easy because you do not offer anything at all in the way of evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

I only have to present more evidence then you present and you make that very easy because you do not offer anything at all in the way of evidence.

LOL

You know, I am going to wear out the L and O on my keyboard, responding to what you post.

 

[Loudmouth]

I showed you that Eden IN THE BIBLE is what the Biology book calls an Eco System. We are talking about the Eco-system IN THE MIDDLE EAST. In the Furtile Crescent, In the Tigris-Euphrates River system.

That is something you made up. It is not found in the Bible.

In the actual Bible, there is a cherubim with a flaming sword. Where is that?

 

[joshua 1 9]

That is something you made up. It is not found in the Bible.

There is a reason WHY science uses the word: "Eden". There really are two Edens, the one that science talks about. Then there is the Eden in the collective subconscious of mankind that is a archetype of paradise lost. Any great work of literature has in it allegorical implications. Because any great work of literature reflects accurately the human experience.

Where is that?

Right now it is believed that Eden is under the Persian Gulf.

 

[Armoured]

it's like saying that the existence of mountains proves Lord of the Rings true.

That's pretty much the logic.

 

[Armoured]

Right now it is believed that Eden is under the Persian Gulf.

Believed by who? Why? What's the evidence for such a belief?

 

[Loudmouth]

There is a reason WHY science uses the word: "Eden". There really are two Edens, the one that science talks about. Then there is the Eden in the collective subconscious of mankind that is a archetype of paradise lost. Any great work of literature has in it allegorical implications. Because any great work of literature reflects accurately the human experience.

Then why even claim that science supports the bible when it is speaking in allegory?

Right now it is believed that Eden is under the Persian Gulf.

Is that the only ecosystem that has ever existed?