Sunday Worship/Mark of the Beast

[MrJim]

I recall reading Adventist material at my grandmother's house that stated Sunday worship by Christians was a "mark of the beast". It was sort of old but is this something taught and believed by SDA?

 

[MrJim]

Maybe a past thread that dealt specifically with this topic?

 

[HoneyDew]

I remember being taught that. Most Adventists still believe that to be the case. "Most" being around 97%, but math/statistics is not my strong point so don't hold that figure to be truth.

 

[MrJim]

I read throught this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t2041653-so-what-if-people-worship-on-sunday.html

While it didn't address my question specifically I can sense the tenseness of being asked about this. Guess it's what every denom faces when it opens itself up to others--what is different about you and why aren't you like me

 

[woobadooba]

I read throught this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t2041653-so-what-if-people-worship-on-sunday.html

While it didn't address my question specifically I can sense the tenseness of being asked about this. Guess it's what every denom faces when it opens itself up to others--what is different about you and why aren't you like me

I want to wait to see what the response is before I give the answer to your question; but I do intend to answer it, so be sure to check from time to time.

I will give you a hint, hwoever. It has more to do with a concept of worship than it does with a day of worship.

 

[Cliff2]

I recall reading Adventist material at my grandmother's house that stated Sunday worship by Christians was a "mark of the beast". It was sort of old but is this something taught and believed by SDA?

No one has the "mark of the beast" as yet.

It will come about and when it does those who are true followers of Christ will know what it is about.

In the book of Revelation John talks about it and makes it very clear what it is.

It is about worship and who we worship as well as when we worship.

Revelation 13

The Beast from the Sea

1 Then I[a] stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,[b] and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[c] for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,[d] tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
The Beast from the Earth


11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those[e] who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[f] the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.


It is very easy to see from this chapter that "the mark of the beast" is going to be the issue before Christ comes back.

Look at what is God's sing and seal. It also is worship.

God's day of worship is the 7th day Sabbath, the beats day of worship is not the 7th day Sabbath but his own day which is Sunday.

Not hard to tell what the "mark of the beast" is.

 

[MrJim]

No one has the "mark of the beast" as yet.

It will come about and when it does those who are true followers of Christ will know what it is about.

In the book of Revelation John talks about it and makes it very clear what it is.

It is about worship and who we worship as well as when we worship.

Revelation 13

The Beast from the Sea

1 Then I[a] stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,[b] and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[c] for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,[d] tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
The Beast from the Earth


11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those[e] who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[f] the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.


It is very easy to see from this chapter that "the mark of the beast" is going to be the issue before Christ comes back.

Look at what is God's sing and seal. It also is worship.

God's day of worship is the 7th day Sabbath, the beats day of worship is not the 7th day Sabbath but his own day which is Sunday.

Not hard to tell what the "mark of the beast" is.

OK, thank you for responding.

Something this serious would obviously separate SDA from most other denoms. Do you see yourself as evangelists to other denoms since they are in a grievous error according to your understanding of scripture? I would think this ranks higher than baptism modes and other issues that divide Christendom.

 

[woobadooba]

No one has the "mark of the beast" as yet.

It will come about and when it does those who are true followers of Christ will know what it is about.

In the book of Revelation John talks about it and makes it very clear what it is.

It is about worship and who we worship as well as when we worship.

Revelation 13

The Beast from the Sea

1 Then I[a] stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,[b] and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[c] for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,[d] tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
The Beast from the Earth


11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those[e] who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[f] the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.


It is very easy to see from this chapter that "the mark of the beast" is going to be the issue before Christ comes back.

Look at what is God's sing and seal. It also is worship.

God's day of worship is the 7th day Sabbath, the beats day of worship is not the 7th day Sabbath but his own day which is Sunday.

Not hard to tell what the "mark of the beast" is.

So will people receive the mark of the beast simply because they worship God on Sunday?

Is worshipping God on Sunday an evil thing Cliff?

 

[tel0004]

The mark of the beast allows us to buy and sell. It also causes us to get sores by the mark when we get it. It could be a radio frequency chip, or a tattoo, but its definatly not the day we choose to worship.

 

[TrustAndObey]

The mark of the beast allows us to buy and sell. It also causes us to get sores by the mark when we get it. It could be a radio frequency chip, or a tattoo, but its definatly not the day we choose to worship.

In order to receive the mark IN your forehead or IN your hand, you must willingly accept it AND worship the image of the beast.

For everything God made holy, satan has a counterfeit.

 

[HoneyDew]

The mark of the beast allows us to buy and sell. It also causes us to get sores by the mark when we get it. It could be a radio frequency chip, or a tattoo, but its definatly not the day we choose to worship.

Does your denomination preach about what it could be, tel0004? What do you think it will be?

 

[Monie]

I believe the mark of the beast will most certainly contain more than just sunday worship. It will change our whole way of living. I think it may entail that all the other denoms who also worship on Sat will have to change to SUn but it will be more than that alone.

 

[honorthesabbath]

I recall reading Adventist material at my grandmother's house that stated Sunday worship by Christians was a "mark of the beast". It was sort of old but is this something taught and believed by SDA?

Menno-(I guess that's short for Menno Simon--ie Mennonite)--to answer your question from a historic SDA perspective--YES--when the time comes, those, that after thorough study on this subject, still accept the sunday as the "Lord's Day", will have accepted the beasts mark of "authority" and will be damned. Keep in mind though, that the decision to accept the false sabbath, will come by one of two motivations. One--because you actually believe, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, that the sunday IS the day that is accepted by God as His (in the forehead)--OR, you'll accept sunday sacredness from the point of physical needs. In other words--YOU want to EAT----because only those who accept this mark of the dragon will be able to "buy or sell" (in the hand)!! God will give the world plenty of facts from his word and from the 144,000 to teach this finale message to the unlearned. After that--if you refuse the truth, then you will have accepted "the mark of the beast".

I hope this answered your question. There is more to discuss on this topic, but I wanted to keep it as short and to the point as possible.

Blessings, Honor

 

[SassySDA]

The mark of the beast allows us to buy and sell. It also causes us to get sores by the mark when we get it. It could be a radio frequency chip, or a tattoo, but its definatly not the day we choose to worship.

And why is it DEFINITELY not the day we choose to worship?

End times are already upon us, I pray you study your bible, and study it a lot. For if you can make that statement with such definity, there is MUCH you need to read and study.

As Trust said...For everything Godly, Satan has a counterfiet.

You REALLY think it's going to be a radio frequency chip, or a tatoo? You REALLY think it's going to be an outward visible sign (as in mark on the body)? I'd really love to know what scripture that comes from.

 

[MrJim]

Menno-(I guess that's short for Menno Simon--ie Mennonite)--to answer your question from a historic SDA perspective--YES--when the time comes, those, that after thorough study on this subject, still accept the sunday as the "Lord's Day", will have accepted the beasts mark of "authority" and will be damned. Keep in mind though, that the decision to accept the false sabbath, will come by one of two motivations. One--because you actually believe, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, that the sunday IS the day that is accepted by God as His (in the forehead)--OR, you'll accept sunday sacredness from the point of physical needs. In other words--YOU want to EAT----because only those who accept this mark of the dragon will be able to "buy or sell" (in the hand)!! God will give the world plenty of facts from his word and from the 144,000 to teach this finale message to the unlearned. After that--if you refuse the truth, then you will have accepted "the mark of the beast".

I hope this answered your question. There is more to discuss on this topic, but I wanted to keep it as short and to the point as possible.

Blessings, Honor

Thank you ma'am for a good answer.

I asked this earlier...

Something this serious would obviously separate SDA from most other denoms. Do you see yourself as evangelists to other denoms since they are in a grievous error according to your understanding of scripture? I would think this ranks higher than baptism modes and other issues that divide Christendom.

 

[Cliff2]

So will people receive the mark of the beast simply because they worship God on Sunday?

Is worshipping God on Sunday an evil thing Cliff?

This would indicate to me that you do not see Sunday worship as wrong.

When people do not know it is wrong then God takes that into account. Read Romans 2 and that is what it says there.

I have already said before, no one has the "mark of the beast" at this stage so do not be too concerned about that aspect of it.

 

[woobadooba]

This would indicate to me that you do not see Sunday worship as wrong.

The people aren't worshipping Sunday! They are worshipping God, and no, it isn't wrong to worship God on Sunday! Does God only want to be worshipped one day a week?

Did I not tell you that you need to see the principle behind the law? Why do you refuse to look for it?

When people do not know it is wrong then God takes that into account. Read Romans 2 and that is what it says there.

But where does God say it is wrong to worship HIM on Sunday in the Bible? Where! I challenge you right now to show me one verse where He says it is wrong to worship HIM on any other day but the 7th!

I have already said before, no one has the "mark of the beast" at this stage so do not be too concerned about that aspect of it.

You don't understand what the mark of the beast is, and that is why you condemn people for worshipping God on any other day but the 7th.

I too am a Sabbath keeper, but I also believe God wants us to worship HIM daily, not just once a week. That is my point! Again, you judge me without asking questions!

When a person takes a commandment of God and substitutes it with something else, that is sin.

For those of you who may think I am being harsh with Cliff in my response, I assure you that there is a context to it. He sent me an email stating that he has no respect for me because I, an SDA, asked him this question, and should know better.

 

[HoneyDew]

I too am a Sabbath keeper, but I also believe God wants us to worship HIM daily, not just once a week. That is my point! Again, you judge me without asking questions!

When a person takes a commandment of God and substitutes it with something else, that is sin.

It was evident that this is where you were going when you first asked the question. A knee-jerk reaction will not allow one to see this.

 

[woobadooba]

It was evident that this is where you were going when you first asked the question. A knee-jerk reaction will not allow one to see this.

And there is a whole lot of knee-jerking going on in here!

 

[MrJim]

Something this serious would obviously separate SDA from most other denoms. Do you see yourself as evangelists to other denoms since they are in a grievous error according to your understanding of scripture? I would think this ranks higher than baptism modes and other issues that divide Christendom.

3rd attempt at getting a answer on this one.