Sunday Is Not the Sabbath

BobRyan said:

2. Do you suppose that SDAs argue for editing Ex 20:8-11 and changing its 7th day to first day?

Ordinary Christian said:

No, that was the Apostles

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Quote an Apostle saying the Sabbath now refers to week-day-1.

Here is an actual "Fact" in the NT all references to the weekly Sabbath is a reference to the seventh day. This is a fact that is not disputed.

This is an extremely easy part of the discussion ..

BobRyan said:

BobRyan said:

2. Do you suppose that SDAs argue for editing Ex 20:8-11 and changing its 7th day to first day?


Quote an Apostle saying the Sabbath now refers to week-day-1.

Here is an actual "Fact" in the NT all references to the weekly Sabbath is a reference to the seventh day. This is a fact that is not disputed.

This is an extremely easy part of the discussion ..

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The Apostolic church called the first day of the week the Lord's Day. It's all in the link I provided which contains commonly known early church history as it unfolded. However along the way the Hebrew word "sabbath" obviously became a colloquial term.

BobRyan said:

BobRyan said:

1. Do you agree with Editing the Commandments of God - even though Christ condemns doing it in Mark 7:7-13

say something with a fact attached to it. So far you are majoring in accusations without facts. Name a fact. Quote something. What part of Ex 20:8-11 do you suppose SDAs are wanting/agreeing to "edit". name something.

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You cite Mark 7:7-13 which is only part of an entire passage found in Mark 7:1-23 in which Jesus never touches upon Exodus 20:8-11. The fact is Jesus never issued a single condemnation regarding Exodus 20:8-11. Rather instead it was the other way around and it was Jesus who received condemnation regarding Exodus 20:8-11. The only ones who talked about Exodus 20:8-11 being broken were the Pharisees, not Jesus, the Pharisees. On one such occasion in Mark 2:23-28 when the Pharisees evoked Exodus 20:8-11, Jesus shot it down by giving the example of David doing what was unlawful. Jesus was comparing what He and His disciples did to what David did in 1 Samuel 21:1–6, which Jesus himself said was unlawful (Mark 2:26). So in Mark 2:23-28 there's the Pharisees condemning Jesus for doing was is unlawful according to Exodus 20:8-11, and Jesus defending his actions by citing what he called an unlawful act committed by David. So what we have is the Pharisees telling Jesus he was breaking the law according to Exodus 20:8-11. And instead of Jesus saying he wasn't breaking the law and commandment of Exodus 20:8-11, He instead gave an example of law breaking and compared that law breaking to what he was doing. But he exempted himself and His disciples by stating that he was the Lord of the Sabbath. In other words in Mark 2:23-28, Jesus made it clear the He and his disciples (Christians) are exempt from Exodus 20:8-11. He also made it clear that He and his disciples are exempt from Leviticus 11:1-23 in Mark 7:1-23.

SDA is founded upon the disciples of Christ keeping two commandments; Exodus 20:8-11 and Leviticus 11:1-23. Even though Christ made it clear in Mark 2:23-28 that His disciples are exempt from keeping the commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 and Christ made it clear in Mark 7:1-23 that His disciples are exempt from the commandment of Leviticus 11:1-23.

The two commandments Jesus said his disciples are exempted from keeping, are the two commandments SDA says the disciples of Jesus must keep.

Ordinary Christian said:

You cite Mark 7:7-13 which is only part of an entire passage found in Mark 7:1-23 in which Jesus never touches upon Exodus 20:8-11. The fact is Jesus never issued a single condemnation regarding Exodus 20:8-11. Rather instead it was the other way around and it was Jesus who received condemnation regarding Exodus 20:8-11. The only ones who talked about Exodus 20:8-11 being broken were the Pharisees, not Jesus, the Pharisees. On one such occasion in Mark 2:23-28 when the Pharisees evoked Exodus 20:8-11, Jesus shot it down by giving the example of David doing what was unlawful. Jesus was comparing what He and His disciples did to what David did in 1 Samuel 21:1–6, which Jesus himself said was unlawful (Mark 2:26). So in Mark 2:23-28 there's the Pharisees condemning Jesus for doing was is unlawful according to Exodus 20:8-11, and Jesus defending his actions by citing what he called an unlawful act committed by David. So what we have is the Pharisees telling Jesus he was breaking the law according to Exodus 20:8-11. And instead of Jesus saying he wasn't breaking the law and commandment of Exodus 20:8-11, He instead gave an example of law breaking and compared that law breaking to what he was doing. But he exempted himself and His disciples by stating that he was the Lord of the Sabbath. In other words in Mark 2:23-28, Jesus made it clear the He and his disciples (Christians) are exempt from Exodus 20:8-11. He also made it clear that He and his disciples are exempt from Leviticus 11:1-23 in Mark 7:1-23.

SDA is founded upon the disciples of Christ keeping two commandments; Exodus 20:8-11 and Leviticus 11:1-23. Even though Christ made it clear in Mark 2:23-28 that His disciples are exempt from keeping the commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 and Christ made it clear in Mark 7:1-23 that His disciples are exempt from the commandment of Leviticus 11:1-23.

The two commandments Jesus said his disciples are exempted from keeping, are the two commandments SDA says the disciples of Jesus must keep.

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This is one of the saddest teachings of some churches and many have not thought this through. This is basically teaching that Jesus is a hypocrite and a liar.

Jesus said He kept all of His Father’s commandments John 15:10 and came to do His will John 6:38 He came to magnify the law Isaiah 42:21 which means make greater, not smaller and condemned those who keep their rules over the commandments of God quoting right from the unit of Ten Matthew 15:3-9 that God said no editing. Deut 4:2. Jesus commissioned His disciples to observe everything He commanded and Jesus is the example to follow who kept all of the commandments including the Sabbath commandment, which the disciples observed every Sabbath . Jesus was crucified for being accused of sinning and breaking the Sabbath commandment and accused that God was not His Father and both accusations were false. Jesus said so in His own Words.

John 8:46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Your claim is that Jesus bended the rules for His disciples for allowing them to eat on the Sabbath and quoted David who you claim also broke the Sabbath who ate on the Sabbath when he was being chased by Saul’s men and was hungry. This is the same issue as the Pharisees and sad so many people take their side over Jesus, who is the Lord of the Sabbath, which means He created it and would know how it is to be kept and He created it for man Mark 2:27 and it is created to be a blessing for man Isaiah 58:13-14, I mean really how can spending time with God on the day He set aside and sanctified could be anything but a delight. There is nothing in the Sabbath commandment that says we cannot eat. Exodus 20:8-11 Picking a head of grain and eating is not a sin, much like picking a piece of fruit and eating it not a sin. Jesus was comparing it to David because it was not a sin for David to eat on the Sabbath. God gave manna to eat daily including on the Sabbath, which was gathered on Friday to eat on Sabbath. The disciples were not breaking the Sabbath commandment, they were breaking the law of the Pharisees who added to the Sabbath commandment. We are told not to add or subtract to the commandments and now instead of adding people want to subtract which is just as bad. Deut 4:2 Sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 and Paul points right to the unit of Ten to define sin Romans 7:7 which is God’s perfect works Exodus 32:16 that we will all be judged by James 2:10-12 which is why the Ten Commandments that God spoke and God wrote is under His mercy seat kept in heaven Rev 11:19 unedited Deut 4:2 because man is not God.

Ordinary Christian said:

You cite Mark 7:7-13 which is only part of an entire passage found in Mark 7:1-23

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In fact I quote it. Your distance from the text is not helping your case.

Your entire argument against the Bible Sabbath goes against the teaching of Christ in the case of Mark 7.

Mark 7:7-13

Christ condemns them for the very thing you are arguing FOR in the case of the Sabbath commandment each time you say we need to edit/delete that part that is Ex 20:10 and Ex 20:11 from God's Commandment

That is devastating to your argument at we should be using tradition to edit/delete the Ex 20:10,11 text from the commandment since it specifies the dreaded "seventh day" and your wish is that it be removed from the commandment.

Ordinary Christian said:

in which Jesus never touches upon Exodus 20:8-11.

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Indeed - he touches on the "Commandment of God" and condemns the idea of setting it aside via the "Traditions of man" -- the very thing you are arguing for .

Are we simply supposed to "not quote the text" (a you do) then ignore all the details in the text that you are skimming over?

Is that your "solution"?

So we are simply "Not supposed to notice"?

Please be serious.

Ordinary Christian said:

SDA is founded upon the disciples of Christ keeping two commandments; Exodus 20:8-11 and Leviticus 11:1-23.

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If that were remotely true than all Messianic Jews would be called "Seventh-day Adventist"
your practice of skimming over key details is not helping your argument.

Ordinary Christian said:

Even though Christ made it clear in Mark 2:23-28 that His disciples are exempt from keeping the commandment in Exodus 20:8-11

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false.

And in Matt 5 Jesus condemns those who argue that He is setting aside the Commandments.

Matt 5:17 “Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished! 19 Therefore, whoever nullifies one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In Mark 2:23-28
1. The Sabbath was made FOR mankind
2. The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath (the LORD's Day)
3. vs 23 starts with the activity of David and no credible Bible scholar on Earth claims the Sabbath was not in full force at the time of David. And we all know it.
4. In Matt 12:5 the same account is reported and we see that Christ lumps in the work of PRIESTS on the Sabbath in with the disciples' activity of working with Christ to spread the gospel and picking a handful of wheat as they walk with Christ on Sabbath.
no credible Bible scholar on Earth claims the Sabbath was not in full force as soon as the priests did their first Sabbath service since that is work of the priests. And we all know it..

All Christian bible translations - have this text after vs 7 saying "do not take God's name in vain"

Ex 20:
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave or your female slave, or your cattle, or your resident who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


All Christian bible translations - have this text for Gen 2:1-3
Genesis 2:
2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Ordinary Christian said:

The Apostolic church called the first day of the week the Lord's Day.

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false.

No NT author (or OT author) claims week-day-1 was the Lord's day. Not even one.

And we all know it.

Ordinary Christian said:

It's all in the link I provided which contains commonly known early church history

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It contained ZERO Bible texts show the NT apostles calling week-day-1 "the Lord's day" and we all know it.

What "actual scripture" shows - written by actual Apostles in the first century -- the Apostolic church - is that EVERY reference to the term Sabbath in the NT for the weekly day of worship is ALWAYS the seventh day - and we all know it.

Your argument is consistently to avoid what the text says, in fact you don't even quote any scripture - and then look instead for "traditions of man" which is the very thing Christ addresses in Mark 7 (that you also do not quote)

SabbathBlessings said:

This is one of the saddest teachings of some churches and many have not thought this through. This is basically teaching that Jesus is a hypocrite and a liar.

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That's the SDA interpretation. Most everyone else's interpretation is that Jesus is God and as God has the sovereign divine authority to make any changes He wants to. And it's plainly obvious that Jesus made significant changes when He established the New Covenant.

SabbathBlessings said:

Jesus said He kept all of His Father’s commandments John 15:10 and came to do His will John 6:28 He came to magnify the law Isaiah 42:21 which means make greater, not smaller and condemned those who keep their rules over the commandments of God quoting right from the unit of Ten Matthew 15:3-9 that God said no editing. Deut 4:2. Jesus commissioned His disciples to observe everything He commanded and Jesus is the example to follow who kept all of the commandments including the Sabbath commandment, which the disciples observed every Sabbath . Jesus was crucified for being accused of sinning and breaking the Sabbath commandment and accused that God was not His Father and both accusations were false. Jesus said so in His own Words.

John 8:46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Your claim is that Jesus bended the rules for His disciples for allowing them to eat on the Sabbath and quoted David who you claim also broke the Sabbath who ate on the Sabbath when he was being chased by Saul’s men and was hungry. This is the same issue as the Pharisees and sad so many people take their side over Jesus, who is the Lord of the Sabbath, which means He created it and would know how it is to be kept and He created it for man Mark 2:27 and it is created to be a blessing for man Isaiah 58:13-14, I mean really how can spending time with God on the day He set aside and sanctified could be anything but a delight. There is nothing in the Sabbath commandment that says we cannot eat. Exodus 20:8-11 Picking a head of grain and eating is not a sin, much like picking a piece of fruit and eating it not a sin. Jesus was comparing it to David because it was not a sin for David to eat on the Sabbath. God gave manna to eat daily including on the Sabbath, which was gathered on Friday to eat on Sabbath. The disciples were not breaking the Sabbath commandment, they were breaking the law of the Pharisees who added to the Sabbath commandment. We are told not to add or subtract to the commandments and now instead of adding people want to subtract which is just as bad. Deut 4:2 Sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 and Paul points right to the unit of Ten to define sin Romans 7:7 which is God’s perfect works Exodus 32:16 that we will all be judged by James 2:10-12 which is why the Ten Commandments that God spoke and God wrote is under His mercy seat kept in heaven Rev 11:19 unedited Deut 4:2 because man is not God.

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Ordinary Christian said:

That's the SDA interpretation. Most everyone else's interpretation is that Jesus is God and as God has the sovereign divine authority to make any changes He wants to. And it's plainly obvious that Jesus made significant changes when He established the New Covenant.

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Jesus does not condemn people for breaking the commandments of God and then not keeping them Himself or for His disciples, this is not a doctrine from God. Isaiah 8:20

Jesus is God no doubt and He is not in conflict with His own commandments that He said no editing. Deut 4:2

It is interesting how a question about the observance of days generates so much text!

Xeno.of.athens said:

It is interesting how a question about the observance of days generates so much text!

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If all of it was printed on paper, the stack would probably be taller than Mt. Everest.

SabbathBlessings said:

Jesus does not condemn people for breaking the commandments of God and then not keeping them Himself or for His disciples, this is not a doctrine from God. Isaiah 8:20

Jesus is God no doubt and He is not in conflict with His own commandments that He said no editing. Deut 4:2

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That's ridiculous since most of His commandments went away when He brought us His New Covenant. And in that New Covenant Jesus is our sabbath rest. That's something 99% of Christians have known for 2000 years. You folks are clearly the ones who have it wrong. I'm sorry, but you folks are not part of some special chosen little remnant.

BobRyan said:

false.

No NT author (or OT author) claims week-day-1 was the Lord's day. Not even one.

And we all know it.

It contained ZERO Bible texts show the NT apostles calling week-day-1 "the Lord's day" and we all know it.

What "actual scripture" shows - written by actual Apostles in the first century -- the Apostolic church - is that EVERY reference to the term Sabbath in the NT for the weekly day of worship is ALWAYS the seventh day - and we all know it.

Your argument is consistently to avoid what the text says, in fact you don't even quote any scripture - and then look instead for "traditions of man" which is the very thing Christ addresses in Mark 7 (that you also do not quote)

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It's clearly stated in the writings of the apostolic and early church fathers that it goes back to the apostles. You folks are pretty much the only ones in all of Christianity who refuse to acknowledge documented historical facts of Christianity.

Ordinary Christian said:

That's ridiculous since most of His commandments went away when He brought us His New Covenant. And in that New Covenant Jesus is our sabbath rest. That's something 99% of Christians have known for 2000 years. You folks are clearly the ones who have it wrong. I'm sorry, but you folks not part of some special chosen little remnant.

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Not a teaching from scripture

Psalms 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Mattew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And no scripture says Jesus is our Sabbath rest- Jesus is not a commandment or is He rest. He is the Creator of everything, not downsized to be the creation.

There's a ton of scripture one has to ignore to come up with the Sabbath commandment is not a commandment of God and we can forget the one commandment God said Remember.

Also, its up for God to decide who are His people He is the only one who can judge the heart, He gives us plenty of scripture though to identify His people and He invites everyone but sadly, few are chosen, meaning they choose their will over God's. His people keep the commandments of God according to the scripture Rev 14:12, Rev 12:17 Rev 22:14 and despite the objection of the majority, the Sabbath is one of God's commandments. He had the foresight to know most would forget, which is why He said Remember. God identified His commandments right in the Ten Exodus 20:6, that He wrote and He spoke and said no editing. Deut 4:2

Ordinary Christian said:

It's clearly stated in the writings of the apostolic and early church fathers that it goes back to the apostles.

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The Apostles wrote the NT -- you are careful not to quote them saying anything to support your suggestions

- so you are left with nothing that comes right out of the Bible, nothing from the Apostolic first century church

And we both know that ALL references to the weekly Sabbath - using the term Sabbath is a reference to the 7th day, not the first.

Ordinary Christian said:

You folks are pretty much the only ones in all of Christianity who refuse to acknowledge documented historical facts of Christianity.

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"you folks" -- including all of Christianity that admits the Sabbath is on the 7th day as given by God in the actual Bible and that all "Sabbath" references in the NT for weekly worship are a reference to the 7th day? So also - all of Judaism

And 100's of others

BobRyan said:

And 100's of others

A Partial List of 7th Day Assemblies

1st Chronicles of the Living God Ministries Inc 11th Hour Apostolic Sabbatarian Church 7th Day Bible Church 7th Day Church of God A Church of God Ministry A Congregation in St. Louis Aaronic Order (House of Aharon) Abiding Faith In Truth Church Inc. Abunda Life Church Active Bible Church of God...

www.christianforums.com

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The ones I randomly checked:
a) do not exist (its not possible to find them)
b) do not have a website to verify they belong to the list or if its just 2 people or what is going on
c) some I was able to actually find do not have anything about Sabbath on their website and meet on Sunday as other Christians

The list is totally unreliable.

myst33 said:

The ones I randomly checked:
a) do not exist (its not possible to find them)
b) do not have a website to verify they belong to the list or if its just 2 people or what is going on
c) some I was able to actually find do not have anything about Sabbath on their website and meet on Sunday as other Christians

The list is totally unreliable.

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Provide your list of "does not exist"

================= while we wait...

it turns out we can all read...

this

Mark 7:7-13

Christ condemns them for the very thing you are arguing FOR in the case of the Sabbath commandment each time you say we need to edit/delete that part that is Ex 20:10 and Ex 20:11 from God's Commandment



And in Matt 5 Jesus condemns those who argue that He is setting aside the Commandments.

Matt 5:17 “Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished! 19 Therefore, whoever nullifies one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In Mark 2:23-28
1. The Sabbath was made FOR mankind
2. The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath (the LORD's Day)
3. vs 23 starts with the activity of David and no credible Bible scholar on Earth claims the Sabbath was not in full force at the time of David. And we all know it.
4. In Matt 12:5 the same account is reported and we see that Christ lumps in the work of PRIESTS on the Sabbath in with the disciples' activity of working with Christ to spread the gospel and picking a handful of wheat as they walk with Christ on Sabbath.
no credible Bible scholar on Earth claims the Sabbath was not in full force as soon as the priests did their first Sabbath service since that is work of the priests. And we all know it..

All Christian bible translations - have this text after vs 7 saying "do not take God's name in vain"

Ex 20:
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave or your female slave, or your cattle, or your resident who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


All Christian bible translations - have this text for Gen 2:1-3
Genesis 2:
2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

BobRyan said:

Provide your list of "does not exist"

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Not sure what you mean by this sentence.

myst33 said:

Not sure what you mean by this sentence.

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You claim some do not exist - so go ahead and list some of the ones you would like to claim "do not exist" from the list in the link you said you looked at.

while we wait... we also have this - with links

List of churches and movements​

Sabbatarian Baptists

• Seventh Day Baptists

Sabbatarian Adventists

• Adventist Church of Promise
• Churches of God (Seventh-Day)
• Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church
• Sabbath Rest Advent Church
• Seventh-day Adventist Church
• Seventh Day Adventist Reform Movement
  • International Missionary Society of Seventh-Day Adventist Church Reform Movement
  • True and Free Seventh-day Adventists
• Shepherd's Rod (Davidian Seventh-day Adventists)
• United Sabbath-Day Adventist Church
• United Seventh-Day Brethren

Sabbatarian Pentecostalists

• Nazareth Baptist Church
• Sabbatarian Pentecostalists, Ukraine, Oneness denomination, formed in the 1920s–1930s in the Western Ukraine, Poland
• Soldiers of the Cross Church
• True Jesus Church

Sabbatarian British Israelites / (Armstrongism)

• Church of God Assembly (CGA)
• Church of God: A Worldwide Association (COGWA)
• Church of God International (United States)
• Church of the Great God
• Church of God Preparing for the Kingdom of God
• Global Church of God
• House of Yahweh
• Intercontinental Church of God
• Living Church of God
• Philadelphia Church of God
• Restored Church of God
• United Church of God

Judaizers

• Assemblies of Yahweh
• Black Hebrew Israelites
  • African Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem
  • Church of God and Saints of Christ
    • Church of God and Saints of Christ (Orthodox Christianity)
  • Commandment Keepers
• Hebrew Roots Movement
• Makuya
• Messianic Judaism, some Messianic Jews observe Shabbat on Saturdays[1]
• Sacred Name Movement
  • Yahweh's Assembly in Yahshua
• Subbotniks, the majority belonged to Rabbinic and Karaite Judaism, the minority to Christianity[2]
• Yehowists, a Russian Spiritual Christian millenarian movement founded in the 1840s

Others

• Church of Christ (Fettingite)
• TheMillennium
• The Christ's Assembly
• Church of Israel
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
• House of Aaron
• Evangelical Association of the Israelite Mission of the New Universal Covenant (AEMINPU)
• Jemaat Allah Global Indonesia (JAGI), internationally known as Unitarian Christian Church of Indonesia (UCCI), headquartered in Semarang, Central Java, Indonesia[3]
• Remnant Fellowship, headquartered in Brentwood, Tennessee and founded in 1999 by Gwen Shamblin Lara[4]
• The Seventh-day Remnant Church[5]
• World Mission Society Church of God
• Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland
• Ancient Foundations Bible Fellowship, Port Macquarie
• Founded in Truth Fellowship

I think it's funny how God is supposedly going against His nature as if He decided it was okay commit murder, or lie, or steal, or dishonor your parents etc. When in actuality it's just simply you don't have to keep a particular day sacred any longer, and you can eat a porkchop once in a while. God deciding you can now rest and worship on any day, how earth-shattering.

Ordinary Christian said:

I think it's funny how God is supposedly going against His nature as if He decided it was okay commit murder, or lie, or steal, or dishonor your parents etc.

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You mean "has God really said"??

We see the "Has God really said" tactic first tried in Genesis 3.

Ordinary Christian said:

When in actuality it's just simply you don't have to keep a particular day sacred

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Fine - that is "your word"...

Now I will post "God's Word"

BobRyan said:

Mark 7:7-13

6 But He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy about you hypocrites, as it is written:​

‘This people honors Me with their lips,​

But their heart is far away from Me.​

7 And in vain do they worship Me,​

Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’​

8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”​

Christ condemns them for the very thing you are arguing FOR in the case of the Sabbath commandment each time you say we need to edit/delete that part that is Ex 20:10 and Ex 20:11 from God's Commandment

9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother, is certainly to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a person says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is, given to God),’ 12 you no longer allow him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thereby invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”​

And in Matt 5 Jesus condemns those who argue that He is setting aside the Commandments.

Matt 5:17 “Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished! 19 Therefore, whoever nullifies one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In Mark 2:23-28
1. The Sabbath was made FOR mankind
2. The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath (the LORD's Day)
3. vs 23 starts with the activity of David and no credible Bible scholar on Earth claims the Sabbath was not in full force at the time of David. And we all know it.
4. In Matt 12:5 the same account is reported and we see that Christ lumps in the work of PRIESTS on the Sabbath in with the disciples' activity of working with Christ to spread the gospel and picking a handful of wheat as they walk with Christ on Sabbath.
no credible Bible scholar on Earth claims the Sabbath was not in full force as soon as the priests did their first Sabbath service since that is work of the priests. And we all know it..

All Christian bible translations - have this text after vs 7 saying "do not take God's name in vain"

Ex 20:
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave or your female slave, or your cattle, or your resident who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


All Christian bible translations - have this text for Gen 2:1-3
Genesis 2:
2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

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Super easy Bible texts - and we can all read them.

No wonder the Word of God says that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

No wonder the NT writers report "EVERY SABBATH" Gospel sermons Acts 18:4 to both gentiles and Jews and not one reference at all to "every week day 1 " Gospel sermons to gentiles and Jews