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All denominations have at least one distinctive view.Not being homogeneous with any other Christian denomination
The apostles did start the first church and God’s Church has always been a remnant and commandment-keeping. Rev 12:17 The Church the apostles started were Sabbath-keeping Christians Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44, Acts 18:4 because they were followers of Christ. Luke 4:16, John 15:10, 1 John 2:6. God’s Church follows God and does not change His Word Isaiah 8:20 because no man could possibly improve on what God has given His people. God is the Authority, not man. The apostles did warn us what would happen after their death Acts 20:29 and we see history lining up with God’s Word.I'm not confusing anything. The Apostolic church was started by the Apostles. And then the Apostolic Fathers such as Cement, Ignatius and Polycarp, whom the Apostles personally taught and chose as their successors took over. That's what I go by, the writings of the Apostles and Apostolic Fathers of the 1st and 2nd century one and only Church of Jesus Christ. They are the ones who abolished circumcision and they are the ones who instituted Sunday worship. Not Constantine in 321 like EGW led you to believe.
Certainly the number of Christian denominations affirming all TEN of the TEN Commandments is very large -- (even Sunday keeping denominations do that).*Permission to post in full*
If we believe we have to "honor the Sabbath day," why aren’t Catholics obliged to attend Mass on Saturday instead of Sunday?
@The Liturgist
One of the most appealing teachings of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination is their insistence that Christians must obey the Ten Commandments . . . all ten of them. They rightly expose the errant thinking among many Protestant Christian sects that claims, “We don’t have to keep the Ten Commandments for salvation anymore.”
Of course, as Jesus reminds us:
Given our agreement on this point, the Seventh-day Adventist commonly asks: “If you believe we have to keep the Fourth (our Third) Commandment, why aren’t Catholics obliged to attend Mass on Saturdays instead of Sunday?”
You know liturgist,You know Bob, frankly, very few people inside or outside the Roman Catholic Church care about what was printed in the newsletter of a parish in a tiny Michigan town of less than 5,000 residents more than 28 years ago.
amenWe do not keep the commandments for salvation, they should be kept because Jesus changes us from the inside and we want to keep them through love and faith. 1 John 5:3, Romans 3:31 Rev 14:12
Scripture will always trump any man-made document and what does scripture say. Can one of the Ten Commandments be changed by man?
amenNo way!
Deut 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.
We are not to edit God's commandments or any of His Word Proverbs 30:5-6 and in doing so is directly in conflict with God's Word. Man cannot improve on God's works Exodus 32:16 that God Himself wrote and spoke. Deut 4:13 We are warned if we go away from God's Word, there is no light Isaiah 8:20
there are the annual Sabbaths in Lev 23 -- all of which are "Given in animal sacrifice" in Lev 23 by contrast to the weekly Sabbath of Gen 2:2-3 given without animal sacrifice as Ex 20:8-11 points out. (as well as Ex 16)There is more than one Sabbath in scripture.
Good point -There is more than one Sabbath in the Bible. There is the weekly Sabbath that is a commandment of God and part of God’s eternal Ten Commandments and the annual sabbath(s) that are the yearly feasts days and are ordinances. The weekly Sabbath came before sin Genesis 2:1-3 the annual sabbath(s) was because of sin- after the fall.
Not being homogeneous with any other Christian denomination, is what makes it the remnant that God set aside according to what I've been told.
no - nether is Paul "Scripture" in fact we are missing at least one of his letters entirely.
Scripture is inspired by God not by Paul or by Ellen White.
That must mean SDA history regarding that is false then.false
consider sticking with the scriptures...I'm not confusing anything. The Apostolic church was started by the Apostles. And then the Apostolic Fathers such as Cement, Ignatius and Polycarp, whom the Apostles personally taught and chose as their successors took over. That's what I go by, the writings of the Apostles and Apostolic Fathers
no - nether is Paul "Scripture" in fact we are missing at least one of his letters entirely.Do you consider the writings of EGW to be Scripture?
The idea that two people are not allowed to agree on what the Bible says in this or that text - if one of them is inspired by God - is not a Bible teaching found in any Christian denomination on planet Earth.Because at a minimum, even a completely impartial observer would be forced to conclude they exert a strong influence on SDA interpretation of Scripture.
nope that is not what I am saying -- even your tiny snip of my post does not show that.Wait a second - are you saying the SDA does not regard the epistles of the Holy Apostle Paul as inspired scripture?
falseEGW changed the way scripture is interpreted
nope... it means your "spin" -- your "false accusation" lacks a fact.That must mean SDA history regarding that is false then.
Some views and what goes along with them stand out far more significantly than others. SDA has one of the, if not the, most significant and controversial counter views of any major denomination that's not considered a cult.All denominations have at least one distinctive view.
That idea that this would be a "surprise" to some -- is indeed a "surprise to many"
Nope I just read what an SDA website had to say. I always strive for objectivity, so I always get my info from the horse's mouth rather than from someone's spin.false
nope... it means your "spin" -- your "false accusation" lacks a fact.
Amen, thankfully we don’t follow the crowd, but instead follow scripture and God’s Word, the path we are told to take. Palms 119:105. We are warned there would be a great falling away 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3. God is calling us back to worship Him in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24 and not false worship, which is following traditions over the commandments of God. Matthew 15:3-9Some views and what goes along with them stand out far more significantly than others. SDA has one of the, if not the, most significant and controversial counter views of any major denomination that's not considered a cult.
SDA follows scripture according to EGW's methodology. Just as every other denomination with a 19th century American prophet follows the methodology of their prophet.Amen, thankfully we don’t follow the crowd, but instead follow scripture and God’s Word, the path we are told to take. Palms 119:105. We are warned there would be a great falling away 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3. God is calling us back to worship Him in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24 and not false worship, which is following traditions over the commandments of God. Matthew 15:3-9
You can keep thinking that, but its not true. EGW wrote 100,000 pages you read all of that? I am impressed, I can barely get through a book because it is so long and detailed and I spend most of my time reading the Bible.SDA follows scripture according to EGW's methodology. Just as every other denomination with a 19th century American prophet follows the methodology of their prophet.
I've read your interpretation of scripture. And I've read EGW's interpretation of scripture. They both match.
No I just read an SDA overview of her interpretations regarding scripture and the Sabbath. Yours follows that pattern, as does Bob's and as did LGW's and as does Doug Batchelor's. Of course you're all on the same page. It wouldn't be such a unified denomination if you all weren't.You can keep thinking that, but its not true. EGW wrote 100,000 pages you read all of that? I am impressed, I can barely get through a book because it is so long and detailed and I spend most of my time reading the Bible.
God gave the Sabbath commandment, not EGW. God spoke it, God wrote it and it is part of His eternal law that is kept in the Most Holy of His Temple Rev 11:19 that cannot be edited in any way. Deut 4:2 Man cannot improve of God's perfect work. Exodus 32:16 and to think they can is not coming from God. Isaiah 8:20
You probably do not know this, but Pastor Doug Batchelor was a former atheist, his dad was a billionaire and sent him to Catholic school as a kid and he never heard of EGW but started studying scripture when someone left a bible in a cave, he was living in. He became an Adventist because of scripture like millions of others. I think its best not to assume.No I just read an SDA overview of her interpretations regarding scripture and the Sabbath. Yours follows that pattern, as does Bob's and as did LGW's and as does Doug Batchelor's. Of course you're all on the same page. It wouldn't be such a unified denomination if you all weren't.
sounds good.Nope I just read what an SDA website had to say. I always strive for objectivity,
Hmm -- so the General Conference of the Seventh-day Adventist church said "Ellen White changed the way the Bible is interpreted"??so I always get my info from the horse's mouth
Ok so then we are waiting for that horses'-mouth official statement of the church , because right now I am not seeing it.rather than from someone's spin.
It appears that your argument is that differing with you means that Ellen White must have changed how the Bible is to be interpreted then you simply decorating your false accusation. Why not give an actual argument, a fact.No I just read an SDA overview of her interpretations regarding scripture and the Sabbath. Yours follows that pattern, as does Bob's
If the argument is that to agree with someone is wrong, or to agree with someone if they claim God stated something ... is wrong then we have a problem with much more than just one denomination.It wouldn't be such a unified denomination if you all weren't.
The only "methodology" Ellen White ever promoted is to read the Bible, pay attention to "context", pray for God to lead you and accept what it says.SDA follows scripture according to EGW's methodology.
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