Do most other Christian denominations have a doctrine on what the Bible says prophecy is, how it works - what are the implications of 2 Tim 3:16 and of 2 Peter 1:21-?Indeed. In most other Christian denominations, there are a range of acceptable ways to interpret their confessional statements, with no single person being a final authority (except perhaps for Catholicism, but it's not the case in Protestantism or Orthodoxy)
no.Do you consider the writings of EGW to be Scripture?
Because at a minimum, even a completely impartial observer would be forced to conclude they exert a strong influence on SDA interpretation of Scripture.
Eph 4 predicts that the gifts of the Spirit will contribute to unity and resistance to doctrinal error. What is your opinion of Eph 4?.Indeed within the Adventist church, the interpretation of Scripture seems to be much more homogenous
Do most other Christian denominations have a doctrine on what the Bible says prophecy is, how it works - what are the implications of 2 Tim 3:16 and of 2 Peter 1:21-?
No one is saying it is a secret. Prophecy is right in the scripture. All of the books of EGW is also free online avilable to anyone, nothing secret about that.Why is that important?
You know what kind of organizations say they have secret knowledge that nobody else has? Cults and abusive religious systems.
No one is saying it is a secret. Prophecy is right in the scripture. All of the books of EGW is also free online avilable to anyone, nothing secret about that.
This is different than your original claim.And yet it is claimed other denominations don't have adequate knowledge of what prophecy is.
This is different than your original claim.
no.Do you consider the writings of EGW to be Scripture?
Because at a minimum, even a completely impartial observer would be forced to conclude they exert a strong influence on SDA interpretation of Scripture.
Eph 4 predicts that the gifts of the Spirit will contribute to unity and resistance to doctrinal error. What is your opinion of Eph 4?.Indeed within the Adventist church, the interpretation of Scripture seems to be much more homogenous
Do most other Christian denominations have a doctrine on what the Bible says prophecy is, how it works - what are the implications of 2 Tim 3:16 and of 2 Peter 1:21-?Indeed. In most other Christian denominations, there are a range of acceptable ways to interpret their confessional statements, with no single person being a final authority (except perhaps for Catholicism, but it's not the case in Protestantism or Orthodoxy)
Did you read the conversation above?Why is that important?
The NT Christian church for oneYou know what kind of organizations say they have secret knowledge that nobody else has?
that's what the Non-Christian Jews said about the early ChristiansCults
that's what the Non-Christian Jews said about the early Christians
Hm, no you are smarter than that. Or something.And yet not one SDA here appeals to a statement from Ellen White to make their repeated sola-scripture case for doctrine after doctrine as we discuss various ones here on CF
Indeed. I think some people "Wish we would" only be arguing sola-Ellen-white because then their false accusations to that effect could at least have a leg to stand on.Hm, no you are smarter than that.
Err... um... "no".You repeatedly argue that the law on earth is/was a shadow of the perfect immutable law in heaven.
And if we continue quoting it - we find that it is speaking specifically of the Laws relating to animal sacrifices and offerings.For this you quote ... not really a precise verse as such, but you quote verses that sound like it.
Let us examine then one passage about the law as a shadow (or something)
hebrews 10:1-2 "The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins”
No it is saying that the Law of animal sacrifices and offerings is not what forgives sins. Animal blood never forgave human sins - it was always the blood of Christ alone - not a goat or a bull's blood.So, reading this verse, I get it that there is not "a perfect law in heaven".
Only the animal sacrifices and offerings centered "law".Rather, the law is a shadow, by the fact that the sacrificial system in the law foreshadows the perfect sacrifice of Christ.
Did you read the conversation above?Why is that important?
The NT Christian church for oneYou know what kind of organizations say they have secret knowledge that nobody else has?
that's what the Non-Christian Jews said about the early ChristiansCults
So it does not work any more today than it did for the Jews of Christ's day or the Jews of Paul's day .
All I hear is a sect claiming they have the truth
hint: Protestant ReformationThis is called proselytism.
Hm? In your post, you now draw back from the idea of there being a perfect law in heaven, the idea with which the sda's have hammered me for the last 2 weeks.But moral law such as "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5, "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18, "honor your father and mother" Ex 20:12 (Eph 6:2) are in the moral law of God written on the heart according to the OT Jer 31:31-34.
hint: Protestant Reformation
As a Lutheran - perhaps you have heard of it.
Do most other Christian denominations have a doctrine on what the Bible says prophecy is, how it works - what are the implications of 2 Tim 3:16 and of 2 Peter 1:21-?
Did you read the conversation above?
The NT Christian church for one
that's what the Non-Christian Jews said about the early Christians
Simple name-calling is not as effective once mankind passed the age of the dark ages. I guess a lot of us knew that.
So it does not work any more today than it did for the Jews of Christ's day or the Jews of Paul's day .
And to be frank - it never worked all that well even in the dark ages.
As did Israel after Sinai.
As did Paul,
As did John the baptizer.
All denominations claim to have the truth and everyone worth their salt will affirm that the denomination that they belong to is most closely aligned to Bible truth of all those that they have encountered.
Much-to-be expected.
no I don't - rather I point out that the moral law remains and the ceremonial law of sacrifices and offerings was merely a temporary shadow. ( as also does your own denomination point that out)Hm? In your post, you now draw back from the idea of there being a perfect law in heaven
What's that?, the idea with which the sda's have hammered me for the last 2 weeks.
Thanks. IT is the word of GodOther than that, btw, your post reflects good Bible reading
Jesus never repeats the command "do not take God's name in vain". A detail that "means nothing" in favor of deleting that commandment.Considering the moral law, yes we must keep it. But the point of contention is, that Jesus never repeats the command to keep the sabbath.
What does that have to do with proselytism, or anything else? Unlike the SDA religion, Lutheranism doesn't hold up the Reformation as some apocalyptic event. But then, we don't preach a pathological hatred of Roman Catholicism, either.
The NT church claimed to have direct Revelation from God. Are you familiar with the book of Revelation? Or 2Thess 2? or 2 Thess 1? Or Acts 1? or 2 Cor 12? or ....The early Church never claimed to have special knowledge in that manner.
But the NT does not claim that ALL have the gift of Prophecy - read 1 Cor 12 regarding that point. In fact in 1 Cor 14"1-3 Paul says "I WISH That you all had the gift of prophecy"The Gospel of John actually contradicts this notion, it says Christ is the light that enlightens all (John 1:9)
Funny thing that sda's (seventh day adventists) are better versed in what the catholic church believes than I am. I stick to the Bible.( as also does your own denomination point that out)
The NT church claimed to have direct Revelation from God. Are you familiar with the book of Revelation? Or 2Thess 2? or 2 Thess 1? Or Acts 1? or 2 Cor 12? or ....
But the NT does not claim that ALL have the gift of Prophecy - read 1 Cor 12 regarding that point. In fact in 1 Cor 14"1-3 Paul says "I WISH That you all had the gift of prophecy"
hint: Protestant ReformationThis is called proselytism.
"the protesting Catholics" actually proselytized existing Catholics to join their movement. Have you heard of it?What does that have to do with proselytism, or anything else?
Out of curiosity - how is it you think SDA claim that the reformation was an apocalyptic event??Unlike the SDA religion, Lutheranism doesn't hold up the Reformation as some apocalyptic event.
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