Summing Up My Work's Main Idea & Conclusion

[Humble Penny]

That was one of a thousand more links that say the same about the first Olympiad being counted as 776BC and not 778BC. What happens if your chronology for the birth of Messiah is off by merely these two years? Well, it's pretty simple math: your whole spiel is off by two years, and that's just the one error, not even counting all the others.

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I don't really care how many links you have...if they ignore the date of Julius Caesar's death and use the wrong calendar, and historical data to make their calculations...they're all wrong. Furthermore when you consider Luke 3:23 in Greek it's clear Yeshua was 29 going on 30 in the 15th Year of Tiberius:

Therefore it's not difficult to trace Yeshua's birth when we count backwards...

15th Year of Tiberius to 57th Year of Augustus
29 AD - 14 Years = 15 AD
15 AD - 57 Years = -42 BC

According to the Anno Mundi system...
5499 AM - 14 Years = 5485 AM
5485 AM - 57 Years = 5428 AM

Therefore Yeshua would be born in the 42nd Year of Augustus Caesar which is the 35th Year of Herod the Great in the year of the world 5470 AM. So these dates are on point and there's no room for error...and of course you can only get these dates using the Septuagint...not the Masoretic Text, and this makes sense because only the Septuagint/LXX was being consulted during this time period so, to get accurate results you need to use the right data and understand what it's telling you.

Post #39 has the calculator for you and others to use to verify the dates and history has the death of Julius Caesar recorded. If you ignore that then that's on you.

 

[daq]

I don't really care how many links you have...if they ignore the date of Julius Caesar's death and use the wrong calendar, and historical data to make their calculations...they're all wrong. Furthermore when you consider Luke 3:23 in Greek it's clear Yeshua was 29 going on 30 in the 15th Year of Tiberius:
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Therefore it's not difficult to trace Yeshua's birth when we count backwards...

15th Year of Tiberius to 57th Year of Augustus
29 AD - 14 Years = 15 AD
15 AD - 57 Years = -42 BC

According to the Anno Mundi system...
5499 AM - 14 Years = 5485 AM
5485 AM - 57 Years = 5428 AM

Therefore Yeshua would be born in the 42nd Year of Augustus Caesar which is the 35th Year of Herod the Great in the year of the world 5470 AM. So these dates are on point and there's no room for error...and of course you can only get these dates using the Septuagint...not the Masoretic Text, and this makes sense because only the Septuagint/LXX was being consulted during this time period so, to get accurate results you net ti use the right data and understand what it's telling you.

Post #39 has the calculator for you and other to use to verify the dates and history has the death of Julius Caesar recorded. If you ignore that then that's on you.

Lol, but of course, it's now on to the 15th year of Tiberius, and of course, the estimates range anywhere from 27, to 28, to 29AD, depending on the self-proclaimed online historian-chronologist. But the so-called historian-chronologists never seem to notice that the fifteenth year of Tiberius is employed to anchor the timing for when the Rhema-Word of Elohim came to Yohanne in the desert: it doesn't make any statement whatsoever concerning the dating of the immersion in Luke 3:21-22.

Moreover, now that you have introduced Luke 3:23, you have introduced the problem with the census of Quirinius which everyone knows occurred in 6AD. I can't wait to hear what our resident super historian-chronologist has to say about the census of Quirinius!

 

[Humble Penny]

Lol, but of course, it's now on to the 15th year of Tiberius, and of course, the estimates range anywhere from 27, to 28, to 29AD, depending on the self-proclaimed online historian-chronologist. But the so-called historian-chronologists never seem to notice that the fifteenth year of Tiberius is employed to anchor the timing for when the Rhema-Word of Elohim came to Yohanne in the desert: it doesn't make any statement whatsoever concerning the dating of the immersion in Luke 3:21-22.

Moreover, now that you have introduced Luke 3:23, you have introduced the problem with the census of Quirinius which everyone knows occurred in 6AD. I can't wait to hear what our resident super historian-chronologist has to say about the census of Quirinius!

Well this isn't difficult to answer either, because when you know that Yeshua was born in the 42nd Year of Herod then the census of Quirinus mentioned in Luke 2:1-6ff. then it will be clear this census took place 1 Year before in the 41st Year of Augustus Caesar. Cross reference this date with the Massacre of the Innocents by Herod the Great in Matthew 2 and you will see that Yeshua was already 2 Years old; and, furthermore Herod died while baby Yehsua, Mary, and Joseph stayed in Egypt: therefore we know that Herod was in his 35th Year when he massacred the babies, and died in his 37th Year when our Lord was 4 Years old. Not very difficult to reconcile.

 

[Humble Penny]

Lol, but of course, it's now on to the 15th year of Tiberius, and of course, the estimates range anywhere from 27, to 28, to 29AD, depending on the self-proclaimed online historian-chronologist. But the so-called historian-chronologists never seem to notice that the fifteenth year of Tiberius is employed to anchor the timing for when the Rhema-Word of Elohim came to Yohanne in the desert: it doesn't make any statement whatsoever concerning the dating of the immersion in Luke 3:21-22.

Moreover, now that you have introduced Luke 3:23, you have introduced the problem with the census of Quirinius which everyone knows occurred in 6AD. I can't wait to hear what our resident super historian-chronologist has to say about the census of Quirinius!

Well this isn't difficult to answer either, because when you know that Yeshua was born in the 42nd Year of Herod then the census of Quirinus mentioned in Luke 2:1-6ff. then it will be clear this census took place 1 Year before in the 41st Year of Augustus Caesar. Cross reference this date with the Massacre of the Innocents by Herod the Great in Matthew 2 and you will see that Yeshua was already 2 Years old; and, furthermore Herod died while baby Yehsua, Mary, and Joseph stayed in Egypt: therefore we know that Herod was in his 35th Year when he massacred the babies, and died in his 37th Year when our Lord was 4 Years old. Not very difficult to reconcile.

To be extra sure the 41st Year of Quirinus was when the census was given...well you look at the careful history of Luke and he literally opens with the conception of John...and then the conception of Mary...not very hard to do the math here with two pregnancies...

 

[Humble Penny]

@daq also since the death of Julius Caesar helps give us a marker by pinning the death of Yeshua to Tuesday March 21st, 30 AD...we simply apply some maths and the Julian Calendar tells us the date of Christ's Birth:

365.25 Days × 30 Years = 10,595.25 Days
364 Days × 30 Years = 10,920 Days

The result is that Yeshua's birth is on Saturday March 20th, -1 BC. Now we just check both the Julian Calendar and the Adamic Calendar...

10,597.5 Days ÷ 360 Days = 30.4375 Years
10,920 Days ÷ 360 Days = 30.33........Years

It's clear that all solar calendars have 360 Days as their base year...otherwise there's no true way to double check the work between different systems. And as always here's a calculator to help check the dates I've given above:

Add to or Subtract from a Date Calculator

 

[daq]

Well this isn't difficult to answer either, because when you know that Yeshua was born in the 42nd Year of Herod then the census of Quirinus mentioned in Luke 2:1-6ff. then it will be clear this census took place 1 Year before in the 41st Year of Augustus Caesar. Cross reference this date with the Massacre of the Innocents by Herod the Great in Matthew 2 and you will see that Yeshua was already 2 Years old; and, furthermore Herod died while baby Yehsua, Mary, and Joseph stayed in Egypt: therefore we know that Herod was in his 35th Year when he massacred the babies, and died in his 37th Year when our Lord was 4 Years old. Not very difficult to reconcile.

To be extra sure the 41st Year of Quirinus was when the census was given...well you look at the careful history of Luke and he literally opens with the conception of John...and then the conception of Mary...not very hard to do the math here with two pregnancies...

Fantastic!

42nd year of Herod
41st year of Augustus
Massacre in the 35th year of Herod
Herod dies in his 37th year
41st year of Quirinius

Kaboom! The chronology is perfect, (as long as no one fact-checks any of the, ehem, facts).

 

[Humble Penny]

@daq also since the death of Julius Caesar helps give us a marker by pinning the death of Yeshua to Tuesday March 21st, 30 AD...we simply apply some maths and the Julian Calendar tells us the date of Christ's Birth:

365.25 Days × 30 Years = 10,595.25 Days
364 Days × 30 Years = 10,920 Days

The result is that Yeshua's birth is on Saturday March 20th, -1 BC. Now we just check both the Julian Calendar and the Adamic Calendar...

10,597.5 Days ÷ 360 Days = 30.4375 Years
10,920 Days ÷ 360 Days = 30.33........Years

It's clear that all solar calendars have 360 Days as their base year...otherwise there's no true way to double check the work between different systems. And as always here's a calculator to help check the dates I've given above:

Add to or Subtract from a Date Calculator

We know the date for Yeshua's birth is wrong according to he Julian Calendar why? Because it wasn't the the one given to Adam and later to Moses. Therefore when you consider that the birth of Yeshua occured 5,470 Years from creation than this would bring you to the 4th Priestly Cycle which has the course of Abijah beginning on the 7th Day of the 6th Month (August-September), and it is in this month that Elizabeth conceived John; 6 Months later bring you to the end of the year and the time which Mary conceives Yeshua and visits her cousin Elizabeth:

From here you count the rest of the months and you'll see John was born sometime in the 5th Priestly Cycle in the 3rd Month (May-June); and 6 Months later Yeshua would be born somewhere in the 9th Month of that Year which would be November-December:

Other than that to understand how I figured this out I created a giant spreadsheet which shows you the Shemitah Week and how the 50 Year Jubilee Cycle fits within it:

1st Shemitah Year = 1st Priestly Cycle
2nd Shemitah Year = 2nd Priestly Cycle
3rd Shemitah Year = 3rd Priestly Cycle
4th Shemitah Year = 4th Priestly Cycle
5th Shemitah Year = 5th Priestly Cycle
6th Shemitah Year = 6th Preistly Cycle

The end result is that...

1. Year 50 = 2nd Priestly Cycle
2. Year 100 = 4th Priestly Cycle
3. Year 150 = 6th Priestly Cycle
4. Year 200 = 2nd Preistly Cycle
5. Year 250 = 4th Priestly Cycle
6. Year 300 = 6th Priestly Cycle
7. Year 350 = 2nd Priestly Cycle

Now it is clear to see that 1st Shemitah Year = 1st Priestly Cycle occurs every 151 and 301 Years right after the 6th Priestly Cycle.

This Jubile Spreadsheet will help you visualize what I've cleared written above.

 

[Humble Penny]

Fantastic!

42nd year of Herod
41st year of Augustus
Massacre in the 35th year of Herod
Herod dies in his 37th year
41st year of Quirinius

Kaboom! The chronology is perfect, (as long as no one fact-checks any of the, ehem, facts).

Facts which you have repeatedly failed to present to back up your arguments from incredulity. Post #47 will prove helpful to you should you decide to look at it. And if you actually bother to read where historians get their dates from, i.e. not from Wikipedia or Google, then you will see that the Bible is historically accurate and aligns well with world history.

 

[daq]

Facts which you have repeatedly failed to present to back up your arguments from incredulity. Post #47 will prove helpful to you should you decide to look at it. And if you actually bother to read where historians get their dates from, i.e. not from Wikipedia or Google, then you will see that the Bible is historically accurate and aligns well with world history.

World history? You've said that we are now living in the 6th century AD and that the Messiah is returning in 530AD, 23 years from now, which you say is 507-508AD.

I suspect that this is the same problem with just about everything you say: when you say "world history", you mean Humble Penny's version of world history, not actual world history. All of your arguments are circular because they all appear to rely on your own manufactured dates and evidence.

 

[Humble Penny]

World history? You've said that we are now living in the 6th century AD and that the Messiah is returning in 530AD, 23 years from now, which you say is 507-508AD.

I suspect that this is the same problem with just about everything you say: when you say "world history", you mean Humble Penny's version of world history, not actual world history. All of your arguments are circular because they all appear to rely on your own manufactured dates and evidence.

No actually I've made it very clear that our modern version of world history relies on the dates provided by the Masoretic Text and Rabbinic Judaism to be true...and to wholly ignore the longer chronology of the Septuagint/LXX. Therefore all world history dates rely on knowing three key things:

1. The Dates of Yeshua's Death and Birth
2. The Date of Creation
3. The correct biblical manuscript

Historically speaking the Septuagint/LXX is the first official widespread translation of the Hebrew Scriptures in -284 BC. The Seder Olam was created in 160 AD by Jose Ben Halafta and is the foundational manuscript for the Masoretic Text. Seeing that the early Church was using the Septuagint and the longer chronology of 5,500 Years from creation it stands to reason that the Masoretic Text and Seder Olam are corrupt versions of the original text given to Moses by God on Mt. Sinai.

So until you can prove that the Seder Olam was created before the Septuagint...you have no case.

 

[Humble Penny]

@daq if you truly don't believe in what I'm presenting then do yourself a favor and simply stop replying to anything I post.

 

[daq]

@daq if you truly don't believe in what I'm presenting then do yourself a favor and simply stop replying to anything I post.

Is that how this forum is supposed to work?

 

[daq]

No actually I've made it very clear that our modern version of world history relies on the dates provided by the Masoretic Text and Rabbinic Judaism to be true...and to wholly ignore the longer chronology of the Septuagint/LXX. Therefore all world history dates rely on knowing three key things:

1. The Dates of Yeshua's Death and Birth
2. The Date of Creation
3. The correct biblical manuscript

Historically speaking the Septuagint/LXX is the first official widespread translation of the Hebrew Scriptures in -284 BC. The Seder Olam was created in 160 AD by Jose Ben Halafta and is the foundational manuscript for the Masoretic Text. Seeing that the early Church was using the Septuagint and the longer chronology of 5,500 Years from creation it stands to reason that the Masoretic Text and Seder Olam are corrupt versions of the original text given to Moses by God on Mt. Sinai.

So until you can prove that the Seder Olam was created before the Septuagint...you have no case.

I don't have a problem with the LXX genealogies: so what now? That doesn't mean to me what it means to you. This tells me that you probably believe in a 7000 year theory based on the opening creation account and are cutting out a large chunk of history, (about 1500 years), in order to have a 7000 year chronology for the world when it is all said and done according to your calculations and reasoning.

 

[Humble Penny]

I don't have a problem with the LXX genealogies: so what now? That doesn't mean to me what it means to you. This tells me that you probably believe in a 7000 year theory based on the opening creation account and are cutting out a large chunk of history, (about 1500 years), in order to have a 7000 year chronology for the world when it is all said and done according to your calculations and reasoning.

No it's applying sound reasoning. Without even considering the biblical manuscripts common sense tells us that everything that has a beginning has an end: therefore since time began it will also end...

Since this is so that means there has to be a body of text we can consult that not only tells us how long the world and everything in it will exist but it will have the longest running continuous written history which can be verified against the histories of other nations....in the end the Bible qualifies as the only text. When you take into consideration that the Bible has never been proven wrong on any point...I'll place my trust in the only Book of God which has outlasted every known world empire and numerous book burnings over the doctrines of man any day thank you very much.

From here what I said in post #50 became very clear to me. So I care very little for peoples personal beliefs in the midst of truth...it's not too different from Chess where you're only looking for the best moves that lead to checkmate...it's not about your ego or emotions...and Christ makes it very clear that we're either worthy or unworthy to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven...period.

 

[daq]

No it's applying sound reasoning. Without even considering the biblical manuscripts common sense tells us that everything that has a beginning has an end: therefore since time began it will also end...

And?

Since this is so that means there has to be a body of text we can consult that not only tells us how long the world and everything in it will exist but it will have the longest running continuous written history which can be verified against the histories of other nations....in the end the Bible qualifies as the only text.

No, it doesn't mean that: it is your own imagination telling you that there must be a text that tells you how long the world and everything in it will exist.

When you take into consideration that the Bible has never been proven wrong on any point...I'll place my trust in the only Book of God which has outlasted every known world empire and numerous book burnings over the doctrines of man any day thank you very much.

If it has never been proven wrong then why did you need to scrap the Masoretic text and reject some of the numbers in the LXX? As said before: there is no one scripture text that supports your chronology, for even though you claim to go by the LXX you changed some of the numbers in that text also.

From here what I said in post #50 became very clear to me. So I care very little for peoples personal beliefs in the midst of truth...it's not too different from Chess where you're only looking for the best moves that lead to checkmate...it's not about your ego or emotions...

And?

and Christ makes it very clear that we're either worthy or unworthy to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven...period.

Are you suggesting that your chronology work is something that is going to make you worthy? or is that something you are leveling at me for some reason?

 

[Humble Penny]

And?



No, it doesn't mean that: it is your own imagination telling you that there must be a text that tells you how long the world and everything in it will exist.



If it has never been proven wrong then why did you need to scrap the Masoretic text and reject some of the numbers in the LXX? As said before: there is no one scripture text that supports your chronology, for even though you claim to go by the LXX you changed some of the numbers in that text also.



And?



Are you suggesting that your chronology work is something that is going to make you worthy? or is that something you are leveling at me for some reason?

Again bring forth evidence that the Masoretic Text numbers existed before the Septuagint. Otherwise stop wasting your time in replying to things you don't believe in and can't refute. Your resort to rhetoric is evidence enough that you don't have any bullets left in your gun.

Shalom daq

 

[daq]

Again bring forth evidence that the Masoretic Text numbers existed before the Septuagint. Otherwise stop wasting your time in replying to things you don't believe in and can't refute. Your resort to rhetoric is evidence enough that you don't have any bullets left in your gun.

Shalom daq

Actually, I haven't even fired any bullets. And I read some of your blogs that one of your threads sent me to, remember? And you've already stated much of the same things in some of your threads. There is no one scripture text that supports your chronology because you reject the Masoretic chronology, reject the Samaritan Pentateuch chronology, and tinkered with the numbers in the LXX.

You were the one who just said that the scripture has never been proven wrong, and you are the one claiming that the scripture supports your world chronology: that was my response, and it is not rhetoric, it's true.

Moreover your idea that there must be a text that tells you how long the world and everything in it will exist is indeed your own idea from your own imagination: that isn't rhetoric either, it's the truth, and the scripture makes no such claim.

 

[Humble Penny]

Actually, I haven't even fired any bullets. And I read some of your blogs that one of your threads sent me to, remember? And you've already stated much of the same things in some of your threads. There is no one scripture text that supports your chronology because you reject the Masoretic chronology, reject the Samaritan Pentateuch chronology, and tinkered with the numbers in the LXX.

You were the one who just said that the scripture has never been proven wrong, and you are the one claiming that the scripture supports your world chronology: that was my response, and it is not rhetoric, it's true.

Moreover your idea that there must be a text that tells you how long the world and everything in it will exist is indeed your own idea from your own imagination: that isn't rhetoric either, it's the truth, and the scripture makes no such claim.

Welcome to the real world daq where evil will remain until the Final Judgement. I'm not sure how you made it to the Messianic side and can't comprehend that if the names of Yeshua and YHWH's have been corrupted and certain key books have been removed...that you're all of a sudden stunned and shocked that world history would be tampered with??? Like what fantasy world are you living in?

 

[daq]

Welcome to the real world daq where evil will remain until the Final Judgement. I'm not sure how you made it to the Messianic side and can't comprehend that if the names of Yeshua and YHWH's have been corrupted and certain key books have been removed...that you're all of a sudden stunned and shocked that world history would be tampered with??? Like what fantasy world are you living in?

Your posts and doctrines do indeed provide a very good example of the modern world: people trying to dictate their own made up truth to everyone else using fake news and expecting everyone else to believe what they say just because they say so.

 

[Humble Penny]

Your posts and doctrines do indeed provide a very good example of the modern world: people trying to dictate their own made up truth to everyone else using fake news and expecting everyone else to believe what they say just because they say so.

Put your money where your mouth is daq. Not only am I confident that I have found the truth but I also have the works to back it up. So until you show your own independent work...you're just running your mouth because you simply want something to say.