Suicide is a sin that cannot be forgiven?

[LoveGodsWord]

You do know that Paul murdered innocent people, yet he was forgiven? You think God would forgive murdering others but will not forgive someone who took their own life due to high emotional pain or making a mistake?

Indeed, God's WORD says...

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

PROVERBS 28:13 [13], He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whosoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

Where is the scripture that says you do not have to confess your sins? Seems a bit strange don't you think that God's WORD tells us that confessing and forsaking our sins is a condition of God's FORGIVENESS if it is not necessary.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Some comments for your consideration below...

Hebrews 6: 4-8 has to do with only mature meat-eating Christians.
We cannot sin once saved. 1 John 5:18 and Daniel 9:24

We know (5758) that whosoever is born (5772) of God sinneth (5719) not; but he that is begotten (5685) of God keepeth (5719) himself, and that wicked onetoucheth (5731) him not.

Again the First 4 Edicts in Dan 9:24 prophecy:
1. to FINISH the transgression
2. to make and END to sin
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity
4. to bring everlasting righteousness

How does this change the meaning of the scriptures?

HEBREWS 6:4-8
[4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
[5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,
[6], If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes often upon it, and brings forth plants fit for them by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God:
[8], But that which bears thorns and briars is worthless, and is near unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

This scripture was quoted because you were suggesting in your previous post that you cannot sin once you have been born again (see post # 184 click me). HEBREWS 6:4-8 is talking about someone that was a Christian that decided to leave the faith to go back to a life of sin. This scripture disagrees with your teachings the same as 1 JOHN which says...

1 JOHN 2:1 [1], My little children, these things write I unto you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

There is more scripture but both of these scriptures disagree with your teaching that no one can sin after they are born again.

These scriptures were provided earlier and a question was asked of you how do you harmonize these scriptures with your statement that you cannot sin once you have been born again? You did not answer the question but simply ignored it (see post # 184 click me)..

There are 4 things you can do outline by the Word of God that are unforgivable. They are all stated.
1. blaspheming the Holy Spirit
2. Mature Christian willfully turning their back in Christ
3. Taking the mark
4. bowing to the beast

all are explicitly outlined.

The unpardonable sin today is the state of continued unbelief. The Spirit currently convicts the unsaved world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8). To resist that conviction and willfully remain unrepentant is to “blaspheme” the Spirit. There is no pardon, either in this age or in the age to come, for a person who rejects the Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ and then dies in unbelief. The love of God is evident: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). And the choice is clear: “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him” (John 3:36).

It is those who reject God's WORD that have committed the unpardonable sin.
Salvation is conditional on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD which says..

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

PROVERB 28:13 [13], He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whosoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

* If you kill yourself how are you going to seek God's forgiveness once your dead?
* Now please show me a scripture that says suicide is not a sin and can be forgiven?

Please answer the questions asked of you.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Cis.jd]

Indeed, God's WORD says...

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

PROVERBS 28:13 [13], He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whosoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

Where is the scripture that says you do not have to confess your sins? Seems a bit strange don't you think that God's WORD tells us that confessing and forsaking our sins is a condition of God's FORGIVENESS if it is not necessary.

Yes, but once the physical body dies, the person is still in spirit and can probably confess during that time. We can't stretch verses like that. Also, i don't believe God is that much of a dictator.


Since you are a protestant, what happened to "faith alone" or is this not fully agreed on by protestants?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, but once the physical body dies, the person is still in spirit and can probably confess during that time. We can't stretch verses like that. Also, i don't believe God is that much of a dictator. Since you are a protestant, what happened to "faith alone" or is this not fully agreed on by protestants?

Hello Cis.jd, thanks for your post.

It is faith in God's WORD alone which is what I have posted as I believe the scriptures that have been presented in the posts I have made. The scriptures also say..

HEBREWS 9:27 [27], And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

Sorry brother but there is no scripture that says you can confess your sins after you have died.

EZEKIEL 3:18-21
[18], When I say unto the wicked, You shall surely die; and you give him not warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand.
[19], Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turns not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
[20], Again, When a righteous man turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because you have not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at your hand.
[21], Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man, that the righteous sins not, and he does not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also you have delivered your soul.

I believe I have shared my duty of love by sharing God's WORD with everyone here. God's WORD teaches that anyone that continues in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin will die in their sins because they have rejected the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

EZEKIEL 18:4 [4], Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.

There is no free pass for sin. Suicide is sin how can you seek God in repentance and confession of sin and faith in God's WORD which are all requirements of God's forgiveness once you have killed yourself *1 JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:13?

Hope this helps.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[AACJ]

First off, the benefits of the cross does not extend to unrepentant sin committed in rebellion. Murdering oneself is such a sin. It is a form of High Handed sin (Numbers 15:30) that the the blood Atonement does not cover becasue it is an act arising from rebellion.

Secondly, Scripture makes it clear we are to remain faithful until death (Revelation 2:10). Willfully cutting one's life short is outside of faithfulness because, 1) one is refusing to fulfill all of the will of God for one's life, and 2) one is appealing to death for victory over tribulation and suffering in this world.

Thirdly, our lives are not our own to murder.

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1Co 6:19

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze 18:4

 

[Cis.jd]

It is faith in God's WORD alone which is what I have posted as I believe the scriptures that have been presented in the posts I have made. The scriptures also say..

HEBREWS 9:27 [27], And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.
snip

Sorry brother but you left out verse 28 which explains 27 and 27 isn't talking about the topic you are implying. Come on man, be rational. You really think that God is like this or do you worship God because he is all good? If it is the later then how is he all good from how you just go off as to petty things being worthy of eternal fire?

The God you portray is a very dictator and evil type of god that if you are correct, I would rather be in hell than be in heaven worshiping a god like that. But good thing you don't understand the verses you quote.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sorry brother but you left out verse 28 which explains 27 and 27 isn't talking about the topic you are implying. Come on man, be rational. You really think that God is like this or do you worship God because he is all good? If it is the later then how is he all good from how you just go off as to petty things being worthy of eternal fire?

The God you portray is a very dictator and evil type of god that if you are correct, I would rather be in hell than be in heaven worshiping a god like that. But good thing you don't understand the verses you quote.

Hello Cis.jd, nope v28 of HEBREWS 9:27 does not change the meaning of the scriptures that say it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

This scripture was posted along with EZEKIEL 3:18-21; ROMANS 6:23; EZEKIEL 18:4; JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:13 which all show that those who continue in KNOWN sin will die in their sins and that there is no time after death that we can seek God's forgiveness the same as there is no scripture that teaches you can seek God's forgiveness once you have died.

EZEKIEL 18:4 [4], Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.

There is no free pass for sin. Suicide is sin how can you seek God in repentance and confession of sin and faith in God's WORD which are all requirements of God's forgiveness once you have killed yourself *1 JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:13?

* If you kill yourself how are you going to seek God's forgiveness once your dead?
* Now please show me a scripture that says suicide is not a sin and can be forgiven once you have died?

This is only sent in LOVE brother. We must believe and follow God's WORD

God bless

 

[Cis.jd]

Hello Cis.jd, nope v28 of HEBREWS 9:27 does not change the meaning of the scriptures that say it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

This scripture was posted along with EZEKIEL 3:18-21; ROMANS 6:23; EZEKIEL 18:4; JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:13 which all show that those who continue in KNOWN sin will die in their sins and that there is no time after death that we can seek God's forgiveness the same as there is no scripture that teaches you can seek God's forgiveness once you have died.

EZEKIEL 18:4 [4], Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.

There is no free pass for sin. Suicide is sin how can you seek God in repentance and confession of sin and faith in God's WORD which are all requirements of God's forgiveness once you have killed yourself *1 JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:13?

* If you kill yourself how are you going to seek God's forgiveness once your dead?
* Now please show me a scripture that says suicide is not a sin and can be forgiven once you have died?

This is only sent in LOVE brother. We must believe and follow God's WORD

God bless

why do you equate judgement to automatically mean "going to hell"? Haven't you not read 2 Cor 5:10 that we all will appear before Christ's judgement seat? In short, the moment we die we will face the lord and he will judge us. That is what that verse is talking about. So yes, why wouldn't it be possible for a person during his judgement confess his sins?

I never said suicide wasn't a sin, but where you can find forgiveness is reading more about Jesus and the impact of his death on the cross. It was to forgive all sins.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

why do you equate judgement to automatically mean "going to hell"? Haven't you not read 2 Cor 5:10 that we all will appear before Christ's judgement seat? In short, the moment we die we will face the lord and he will judge us. That is what that verse is talking about. So yes, why wouldn't it be possible for a person during his judgement confess his sins?

I never said suicide wasn't a sin, but where you can find forgiveness is reading more about Jesus and the impact of his death on the cross. It was to forgive all sins.

Hello brother you're leaving the scriptures and questions that are provided in those posts that disagree with you. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

After you die you go to judgment for what you have done in your life. Where does it say you can confess your sins after you have died? I have provided scriptures to show you that if you sin and die you will be punished for them.

EZEKIEL 3:18-21
[18], When I say unto the wicked, You shall surely die; and you give him not warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand.
[19], Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turns not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
[20], Again, When a righteous man turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because you have not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at your hand.
[21], Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man, that the righteous sins not, and he does not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also you have delivered your soul.

I believe I have shared my duty of love by sharing God's WORD with everyone here. God's WORD teaches that anyone that continues in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin will die in their sins because they have rejected the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

EZEKIEL 18:4 [4], Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.

There is no free pass for sin. Suicide is sin how can you seek God in repentance and confession of sin and faith in God's WORD which are all requirements of God's forgiveness once you have killed yourself *1 JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:13?

The questions you ignored...

* If you kill yourself how are you going to seek God's forgiveness once your dead?
* Now please show me a scripture that says suicide is not a sin and can be forgiven once you have died?

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Cis.jd]

Hello brother you're leaving out the the bulk of my posts and the scriptures and questions that are provided in those posts you are leaving out and ignoring. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. When you die your judgment is complete. Where does it say you can confess your sins after you have died? I have provided scriptures to show you that if you sin and die you will be punished for them.

No it's not. 2 Cor 5:10 says we face God first. Yes, i see your verses but stuff from the OT in regards to what happens after a person dies should be quoted because this before the Messiah came.

The questions you ignored...

* If you kill yourself how are you going to seek God's forgiveness once your dead?
* Now please show me a scripture that says suicide is not a sin and can be forgiven once you have died?

It's answered at the bottom of that post. Please read.

Sorry, you can press on as to how right you are but what you are proving is an evil god and if you actually had reason, you would see that.

 

[AACJ]

You have not read a thing I wrote have you? You honestly think someone who was in the right frame of mind would kill themselves?

You honestly think God is so heartless that He wouldn't understand mental illness?

I pray to God you never get the call saying someone you love has killed themselves.

It changes things.

Having been suicidal and having lost someone to suicide, it is often the result of mental illness and an act of utter hopelessness.

You have not read a thing I wrote have you? You honestly think someone who was in the right frame of mind would kill themselves?

I am not trying to draw an exact equivalence here, but there are many people who claim that history's serial killers could not have possibly been in their right mind, yet turn around and claim that such killers were fully culpable in the commission of evil. But regardless, there is no proof that those committing murder are necessarily mentally ill, despite the claims inherent in a materialistic worldview.

You did not kill yourselves in your trials. So drawing a comparison between yourself and those who have crossed that line is limited at best. You do not know every thought or moral decision contained in the head of even one person who has ever committed the act of suicide. How could you? What we do have though is one last act of the unlawful taking of a life.

You honestly think God is so heartless that He wouldn't understand mental illness
It changes things.

Your question contains a major presumption. Also you are intimating the other forum member is thinking along evil lines. Not appropriate.

I pray to God you never get the call saying someone you love has killed themselves.

It changes things.

If that did happen, then perhaps the person you directed your statement to will be able to maintain his/her position becasue they find fulfillment in this verse:

I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me Philippians 4:13

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No it's not. 2 Cor 5:10 says we face God first.

I suggest you re-read the post I have written. It was edited before you posted this post. After you die you go to judgment for what you have done in your life. Where does it say you can confess your sins after you have died? I have provided scriptures to show you that if you continue in known sin and die you will be punished for your sins unless you seek God in repentance and forgiveness *EZEKIEL 3:18-21; ROMANS 6:23; EZEKIEL 18:4JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:13. How are you going to seek God in repentance and forgiveness once you have died by killing yourself? (scripture please)

Yes, i see your verses but stuff from the OT in regards to what happens after a person dies should be quoted because this before the Messiah came.

Well that is not true. I posted both old and new testament scriptures. Everything we have in the NEW Testament scriptures come from the OLD Testament scriptures. So in your view the old testament is not true? Yet God's WORD says in the NEW testament that we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God *MATTHEW 4:4 and 2 TIMOTHY 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

It's answered at the bottom of that post. Please read.

No you did not answer these questions. Did you wish to answer them now?

* If you kill yourself how are you going to seek God's forgiveness once your dead?
* Now please show me a scripture that says suicide is not a sin and can be forgiven once you have died?

Sorry brother only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Mat God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[AACJ]

I believe that God can forgive mental illness. Some things cannot be helped. Jesus died for asll our sins on tyher cross.

Is mental illness a sin to be forgiven? We must not confuse an act of killing with mental illness, correct?

 

[Strong in Him]

Sorry if I have not responded to everyone here if you have posted to me. If you would like to PM me happy to talk about it further if you would like to continue the discussion. This is the last one for me. As I believe I have done my duty of LOVE and provided scripture to show that suicide is indeed sin and an unpardonable sin at that.

You haven't responded to the fact that Jesus said the only unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. So you are declaring something to be unpardonable which even God himself does not.

I don't care too much for academic debate, what I do hope is that if you ever talk to, meet or minister to someone who is very depressed, in the pit of despair and suicidal, you show slightly more empathy and understanding than you have here.
Telling someone who thinks that taking their own life is the only way out of a mess and that the world would be better off without them, that they are about to commit an unpardonable sin and will be judged accordingly; is less than loving, to say the least. I also believe that it doesn't bear good witness to God.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You haven't responded to the fact that Jesus said the only unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. So you are declaring something to be unpardonable which even God himself does not.

I don't care too much for academic debate, what I do hope is that if you ever talk to, meet or minister to someone who is very depressed, in the pit of despair and suicidal, you show slightly more empathy and understanding than you have here.
Telling someone who thinks that taking their own life is the only way out of a mess and that the world would be better off without them, that they are about to commit an unpardonable sin and will be judged accordingly; is less than loving, to say the least. I also believe that it doesn't bear good witness to God.

Hello SIH, I did respond. Maybe you did not read it. (re-post below)

The unpardonable sin today is the state of continued unbelief. The Spirit currently convicts the unsaved world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8). To resist that conviction and willfully remain unrepentant is to “blaspheme” the Spirit. There is no pardon, either in this age or in the age to come, for a person who rejects the Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ and then dies in unbelief. The love of God is evident: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). And the choice is clear: “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him” (John 3:36).

It is those who reject God's WORD that have committed the unpardonable sin.
Salvation is conditional on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD which says..

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

PROVERBS 28:13 [13], He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whosoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

Some questions for your consideration.

* If you kill yourself how are you going to seek God's forgiveness once your dead?
* Now please show me a scripture that says suicide is not a sin and can be forgiven?

Hope this helps

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Strong in Him]

Hello SIH, I did maybe you did not read it.

The unpardonable sin today is the state of continued unbelief.

That's your word - Jesus says that the ONLY unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. And as I said, it's clear from the passage what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is.

Unless you're saying that things have changed since Jesus' time, the word of God is wrong and that we now have a new unpardonable sin.

To resist that conviction and willfully remain unrepentant is to “blaspheme” the Spirit.

That's not what Scripture says.
I mean, sure, anyone who continually and deliberately resists God and his promptings to repent will one day find that they were wrong to do so and that there is no 2nd chance after death. They are rejecting God, but not blaspheming the Spirit; those are your words.

It is those who reject God's WORD that have committed the unpardonable sin.

But you, yourself, are rejecting God's word which says that the ONLY unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Spirit. As I said, the passage - context in which Jesus spoke - makes it clear what blasphemy against the Spirit is; it is KNOWING that God has performed a miracle, acted or given a word but deliberately attributing it to Satan.
THAT is what the word says; you are redefining blasphemy of the Spirit.

Yes, it's quite true that if someone deliberately rejects God, keeps on rejecting him and has no intention of repenting and seeking him, when they die, they will be unable to do so, and God will honour their choice to spend eternity without him. But that is not the same as blaspheming the Spirit. Such a person may not even get to hear that there is a Holy Spirit, and of all the ways in which he helps, guides, comforts us and assures us of the Father's love.

Some questions for your consideration.

* If you kill yourself how are you going to seek God's forgiveness once your dead?

IF ending your life because you are in utter despair, is a sin; you can't.
But God is compassionate - many Scriptures provided that show that - and I believe will judge accordingly.
As someone else has said, how do we judge; if a born again Christian is in a car, is hit by a drunk driver and their last words are of anger or fear - does that mean they can never be forgiven and will spend eternity in hell, despite being born again?
The answer to that is, we can't judge; only God can.

* Now please show me a scripture that says suicide is not a sin and can be forgiven?

Please show me a Scripture which says that suicide is a sin.
Not random Scriptures about murder and unforgiveness; a verse which says that SUICIDE is a sin which will never be forgiven.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That's your word - Jesus says that the ONLY unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. And as I said, it's clear from the passage what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is. Unless you're saying that things have changed since Jesus' time, the word of God is wrong and that we now have a new unpardonable sin.That's not what Scripture says. I mean, sure, anyone who continually and deliberately resists God and his promptings to repent will one day find that they were wrong to do so and that there is no 2nd chance after death. They are rejecting God, but not blaspheming the Spirit; those are your words. But you, yourself, are rejecting God's word which says that the ONLY unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Spirit. As I said, the passage - context in which Jesus spoke - makes it clear what blasphemy against the Spirit is; it is KNOWING that God has performed a miracle, acted or given a word but deliberately attributing it to Satan. THAT is what the word says; you are redefining blasphemy of the Spirit. Yes, it's quite true that if someone deliberately rejects God, keeps on rejecting him and has no intention of repenting and seeking him, when they die, they will be unable to do so, and God will honour their choice to spend eternity without him. But that is not the same as blaspheming the Spirit. Such a person may not even get to hear that there is a Holy Spirit, and of all the ways in which he helps, guides, comforts us and assures us of the Father's love.

Not at all brother. It is God's WORD that says blasphemy against the Holy Ghost will not be forgiven unto men. It is not my word it is God's WORD. The Spirit convicts of sin, righteousness, and judgment to come (John 16:8). To resist that conviction and willfully remain in known unrepentant sin is to “blaspheme” the Spirit. There is no pardon, either in this age or in the age to come, for a person who rejects the Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ and then dies in unbelief. The love of God is evident: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16-18). And the choice is clear: “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him” (John 3:36).
It is those who reject God's WORD that have committed the unpardonable sin. Salvation is conditional on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD which says..

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

PROVERBS 28:13 [13], He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whosoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

By rejecting God's WORD your blaspheming God this is defined in * REVELATIONS 2:9 [9], I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but you are rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. A Jew in the NEW COVENANT. *ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:[29], But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. So Blasphemy is to profess you be a Christian but not being a Christian and not BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's Word. The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not believing and not following God's WORD.

If FORGIVENESS is conditional on repentance and confession of sin and faith in God's WORD...

* If you kill yourself how are you going to seek God's forgiveness once your dead?
* Now please show me a scripture that says suicide is not a sin and can be forgiven?

IF ending your life because you are in utter despair, is a sin; you can't. But God is compassionate - many Scriptures provided that show that - and I believe will judge accordingly.

Where is the scriptures that say suicide can be forgiven after someone dies?
If FORGIVENESS is conditional on repentance and confession of sin and faith in God's WORD *1 JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:13...

* If you kill yourself how are you going to seek God's forgiveness once your dead?
* Now please show me a scripture that says suicide is not a sin and can be forgiven?

As someone else has said, how do we judge; if a born again Christian is in a car, is hit by a drunk driver and their last words are of anger or fear - does that mean they can never be forgiven and will spend eternity in hell, despite being born again? The answer to that is, we can't judge; only God can.

Your question is hypothetical and also does not consider the scriptures...

1 CORINTHIANS 10:13, There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.

1 JOHN 3:9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Please show me a Scripture which says that suicide is a sin. Not random Scriptures about murder and unforgiveness; a verse which says that SUICIDE is a sin which will never be forgiven.

Happy to...

EXODUS 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. [6TH COMMANDMENT of the 10 COMMANDMENTS]

1 CORINTHIANS 3:16-17; 19 [16], Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? [17], If any man defiles the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

[19] What? know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own?

There is no free passes for sin. The wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

Hope this helps.

 

[Strong in Him]

Not at all brother. It is God's WORD that says blasphemy against the Holy Ghost will not be forgiven unto men.

I know it does. And it's clear from Jesus'word s what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is.
You either can't see, or cannot accept, that however.

It is not my word it is God's WORD. The Spirit convicts of sin, righteousness, and judgment to come (John 16:8). To resist that conviction and willfully remain in known unrepentant sin is to “blaspheme” the Spirit.

Like I said, you have redefined blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Indeed, putting the word blasphemy in inverted commas suggests that you don't agree with it or think that it's somehow unreal.

I know all your other Scriptures; you have repeated them often.
I said I was not looking for a Scripture which speaks of murder, but one that contains the word suicide, and/or a passage which teaches on suicide.
Like I said, I don't care too much for academic debate, I just hope you show some compassion to anyone you meet who may be suicidal and not judge them as committing the unforgiveable sin.
Maybe if you regularly took phone calls from people who are in severe depression, whose life is hell and who believe that ending it is the only thing that will bring release, you'd think differently about the whole thing.

I don't see any point in debating this further with you; a) you either can't see, or won't accept, the things I write and scenarios I post, or you don't want to see them and will only accept the words that are in Scripture. And b) you said a while ago that you had written your last post on the subject.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I know it does. And it's clear from Jesus'word s what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is. You either can't see, or cannot accept, that however. Like I said, you have redefined blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Indeed, putting the word blasphemy in inverted commas suggests that you don't agree with it or think that it's somehow unreal. I know all your other Scriptures; you have repeated them often. I said I was not looking for a Scripture which speaks of murder, but one that contains the word suicide, and/or a passage which teaches on suicide. Like I said, I don't care too much for academic debate, I just hope you show some compassion to anyone you meet who may be suicidal and not judge them as committing the unforgiveable sin. Maybe if you regularly took phone calls from people who are in severe depression, whose life is hell and who believe that ending it is the only thing that will bring release, you'd think differently about the whole thing.

Not at all brother it is God's WORD not mine that says blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is rejecting God's Word not me. You have been provided the scripture above.

Here is the interpretation of Blasphemy against the Holy Spirist from GOT QUESTIONS linked click me also for your interest which says the same thing.

Suicide is self murder. Your playing on words now. It is God's WORD that says

EXODUS 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. [6TH COMMANDMENT of the 10 COMMANDMENTS]

1 CORINTHIANS 3:16-17; 19 [16], Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? [17], If any man defiles the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

[19] What? know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own?

There is no free passes for sin. The wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God's WORD says...

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

PROVERBS 28:13 [13], He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whosoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

* If you kill yourself how are you going to seek God's forgiveness once your dead?
* Now please show me a scripture that says suicide is not a sin and can be forgiven?

Please answer the questions asked of you.

I don't see any point in debating this further with you; a) you either can't see, or won't accept, the things I write and scenarios I post, or you don't want to see them and will only accept the words that are in Scripture. And b) you said a while ago that you had written your last post on the subject.

Correct, for me I will only accept the words of scripture as our final authority. Also correct I should have stopped a while ago but I felt God wanted me to post more so changed my mind. I will not post too much more though.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts though brother we will have to agree to disagree as I do not believe God gives us a free pass to sin. Suicide is self murder that no one has the right to do. If you kill yourself how can you seek God in repentance and forgiveness which is a requirement of Salvation when you have already killed yourself? It is a one way ticket to throwing away your salvation.

God bless.

 

[Strong in Him]

Not at all brother it is God's WORD not mine that says blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is rejecting God's Word not me. You have been provided the scripture above.

Here is the interpretation of Blasphemy against the Holy Spirist from GOT QUESTIONS linked click me also for your interest which says the same thing.

Suicide is self murder. Your playing on words now. It is God's WORD that says

EXODUS 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. [6TH COMMANDMENT of the 10 COMMANDMENTS]

1 CORINTHIANS 3:16-17; 19 [16], Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? [17], If any man defiles the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

[19] What? know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own?

There is no free passes for sin. The wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God's WORD says...

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

PROVERBS 28:13 [13], He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whosoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

* If you kill yourself how are you going to seek God's forgiveness once your dead?
* Now please show me a scripture that says suicide is not a sin and can be forgiven?

Please answer the questions asked of you.



Correct, for me I will only accept the words of scripture as our final authority. Also correct I should have stopped a while ago but I felt God wanted me to post more so changed my mind. I will not post too much more though.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts though brother we will have to agree to disagree as I do not believe God gives us a free pass to sin. Suicide is self murder that no one has the right to do. If you kill yourself how can you seek God in repentance and forgiveness which is a requirement of Salvation when you have already killed yourself? It is a one way ticket to throwing away your salvation.

God bless.

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