Suicide is a sin that cannot be forgiven?

[steve78]

GOD'S 6TH COMMANDMENT

EXODUS 20:13. Thou shalt not kill.

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That bit of scripture obviously refers to the killing of another human being, not taking your own life.

 

[steve78]

Right but they don't stop to consider what it does to the family. The pain stoppingbis also only te!mporary.

The pain stopping is pretty much eternal as your dead. I have suffered depression and considered suicide a few years back when i was on the verge of being homeless through no fault of mine own.

Once your homeless and on the streets your life is pretty much over, your robbed of everything that makes you human and you can't function as a human. I would rather die than live like an animal.

 

[Neostarwcc]

The pain stopping is pretty much eternal as your dead. I have suffered depression and considered suicide a few years back when i was on the verge of being homeless through no fault of mine own.

Once your homeless and on the streets your life is pretty much over, your robbed of everything that makes you human and you can't function as a human. I would rather die than live like an animal.

Not if you're an unbeliever. You go to hades and then the lake of fire. Unless you're claiming there's no life after death? Curious.

 

[twin.spin]

There are only six recorded cases of suicide in the Bible:

Abimelech (Judges 9:52-54)
Saul (1 Samuel 31:4)
Saul's armor-bearer (1 Samuel 31:5)
Ahithophel (2 Samuel 17:23)
Zimri (1 Kings 16:15-20)
Judas Iscariot (Matthew 27:3-5​

Samson didn't commit suicide because God the Holy Spirit did not inspire any writer to say such.
His death was not a selfish act of self destruction but a self-sacrificing act similar to that of a soldier who sacrifices himself for his fellow soldiers. His final act did not reflect despair and hopelessness but a prayerful trust in the true God.

For this reason Samson is mentioned among the people of faith in Hebrews 11:32. However, this was not the case with the other six that were mentioned above. They acted in despair and unbelief and forfeited any hope of heaven.

With that said …. that doesn't mean that the Christian doesn't falls prey to Satan's lie.

Though most suicides are done out of an act of despair and\or unbelief, which forfeits salvation, there are factors that can lead one to suicide that the case can be made that it was not a conscience choice, situations like mental illness from various causes, drugs or a sudden compulsion.

Contrary to secular belief, not all suicides that occur result in an immediate death.

I know of a case where a son committed suicide but did not die immediately. While dying in his father's arms, the son repented. The son had acted out of emotional crisis and realized the error of the lie that Satan put out. After the funeral, the parents learned of their son's emotional pain ... which was totally hidden from them.

And that is what's so hard about dealing with the aftermath of someone who commits suicide ... especially when the person who preformed it was a professing Christian. These parents had to finally put their grief \ why questions \ second guessing of themselves and place it into the trust of God's sovereignty.

 

[steve78]

Not if you're an unbeliever. You go to hades and then the lake of fire. Unless you're claiming there's no life after death? Curious.

No i am claiming suicide is not a sin.

 

[steve78]

Though most suicides are done out of an act of despair and\or unbelief, which forfeits salvation, there are factors that can lead one to suicide that the case can be made that it was not a conscience choice, situations like mental illness from various causes, drugs or a sudden compulsion.

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Absolute nonsense.

Most suicides are down to mental illness. I was really unwell when i considered it. I was so concerned that i considered self referal into a mental health clinic. I did not though cause i did want to see my wife homeless, we had to find a new place to live with little time to do it. I am lucky that my depression when triggered usually lasts a few weeks and then i start to recover.

 

[Dave L]

Does God's Word give excuses for a person to sin if they are mentally ill?

Chapter and verse.

I see the excuse as a person being mentally ill is that they were given a chance to repent while they were mentally fit and they refused to do so, and so they then were judged to be the walking dead, unless they are cured by GOD in this life to have a chance to repent again. Sometimes drugs can help a person to be more mentally fit. If they are mentally ill and there is no cure and they die that way, it is because they have already been judged. If they were born with a mental problem, then that is a different story. They had no choice (ever) to know the good from the bad.

How do you deal kindly with grieving parents about their children lost to suicide, being as dogmatic as you are? Shouldn't we leave some things up to God? And not use his word as a sledge hammer as Job's friends did?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

How do you deal kindly with grieving parents about their children lost to suicide, being as dogmatic as you are? Shouldn't we leave some things up to God? And not use his word as a sledge hammer as Job's friends did?

Not the same situation as Job at all. Job's sons did not kill themselves. Just because a person grieves over the death of their child does not mean that their child took their life in the right away and their heart is right with GOD. A person's emotions should not cloud good judgment when it comes to salvation and the good ways of the Lord.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Absolute nonsense.

Most suicides are down to mental illness. I was really unwell when i considered it. I was so concerned that i considered self referal into a mental health clinic. I did not though cause i did want to see my wife homeless, we had to find a new place to live with little time to do it. I am lucky that my depression when triggered usually lasts a few weeks and then i start to recover.

Still does not make it right or okay. If a person has an uncontrollable mental illness that drugs cannot fix, then they are judged by God (by being in a dead yet alive state) if they did not have any prior mental illness before. If a person can overcome and it is only a temporary mental illness, then that is different. But people are not without excuse for killing themselves. I am sorry. That is not how it works. If a person kills themselves, they will have only themselves to blame. There is no sickness or disease that Jesus cannot cure. A person can find hope in Jesus to want to live. There are no excuses for suicide.

 

[Dave L]

Not the same situation as Job at all. Job's sons did not kill themselves. Just because a person grieves over the death of their child does not mean that their child took their life in the right away and their heart is right with GOD. A person's emotions should not cloud good judgment when it comes to salvation and the good ways of the Lord.

I'm talking about Job's friends assuming they were right in judging his situation.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I'm talking about Job's friends assuming they were right in judging his situation.

I am fully aware of what you said. That situation does not apply to a person sinning with the thinking they are saved. Job was not sinning and or trying to justify sin like people here are trying to do by saying that suicide is not a grievous sin that will cause a loss of salvation. Suicide does cause a loss of salvation or it is a sin that in most cases cannot be repented of because they stay dead.

 

[Cyprezz]

Does God's Word give excuses for a person to sin if they are mentally ill?

Chapter and verse.

I see the excuse as a person being mentally ill is that they were given a chance to repent while they were mentally fit and they refused to do so, and so they then were judged to be the walking dead, unless they are cured by GOD in this life to have a chance to repent again. Sometimes drugs can help a person to be more mentally fit. If they are mentally ill and there is no cure and they die that way, it is because they have already been judged. If they were born with a mental problem, then that is a different story. They had no choice (ever) to know the good from the bad.

I'm sorry that you actually believe that. As someone living through the hell of severe depression, I am so incredibly sad and disheartened to read what you've just posted.
Being mentally ill isn't a state of unrepentance; it's an illness, exactly as the name suggests. Swap out what you said with "cancer" or "dementia" and see how absurd it sounds.
I haven't posted in years and this was the straw that broke the camels back.

To everyone else here; perhaps take a step back and walk a mile in a suicidal persons shoes. So much pain and self loathing that you believe the only way to remedy it is to kill yourself, that you're such a burden to everyone around you that you need to die. I don't know about you but I choose to believe that God has compassion on those who are hurting as much as that.
I've lived it, I've almost done it, and I am eternally grateful the God delivered me from making that choice so many years ago. But because I've been through that ordeal, I know how hard, how terrible it is. No one consciously decides "I'm going kill myself" because they think it's the best option, they choose so because at that time of total desperation, it seems like the only option.

People can continuously post the same cherry picked scripture supporting the unforgiveable side, and others can post in favour of the opposite. I choose to appeal to the nature of God, His love, compassion and understanding. If I know how painful it is to be in that situation, how much more does God understand the pain someone goes through before committing suicide.

Gonna go back to lurking now xx

 

[Dave L]

I am fully aware of what you said. That situation does not apply to a person sinning with the thinking they are saved. Job was not sinning and or trying to justify sin like people here are trying to do by saying that suicide is not a grievous sin that will cause a loss of salvation. Suicide does cause a loss of salvation or it is a sin that in most cases cannot be repented of because they stay dead.

It still assumes too much to tell grieving parents their children, who were victims of circumstance, are in hell for taking their own lives.

 

[steve78]

To lay down your life to save another is not suicide it is one of the greatest loves that you can show for another. Suicide is done with a selfish motive of wanting to take your life because you are sad, or depressed and you desire to not live this life anymore. It is selfish and sinful.

Its not selfish at all. Most who do it and consider it are ill. Suicide is usually a last resort when the individual has failed to get the help they need.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It still assumes too much to tell grieving parents their children, who were victims of circumstance, are in hell for taking their own lives.

No it doesn't. You simply do not want to see that grievous sin can separate a person from God. Sugar coating what the Bible says is not going to help them.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Its not selfish at all. Most who do it and consider it are ill. Suicide is usually a last resort when the individual has failed to get the help they need.

I considered suicide and I was not ill. It is actually more of a demonic influence. You cannot blame suicide solely by throwing down the mental illness card. First, there is no proof that a person cannot break away and accept Jesus or come back to Him even while they are mentally ill. Second, if this mental illness is an unescapable trap that not even the Lord cannot help them (Which I don't believe is the case), then they are judged by GOD while they are in this mentally ill state as being dead while they yet live before they die by suicide. Before their mentally ill state, they had a chance to repent and follow Jesus. But because they refused, they went down a spiral staircase of destruction. God is not going to cut a person some slack because of their diseased state of mind for doing something sinful.

 

[Dave L]

No it doesn't. You simply do not want to see that grievous sin can separate a person from God. Sugar coating what the Bible says is not going to help them.

But telling grieving parents their child is in hell because they could not take the stress that led them to take their own life, is only cruel speculation on your part. Just as Job's friends misjudged him.

 

[twin.spin]

Absolute nonsense.

Most suicides are down to mental illness. I was really unwell when i considered it. I was so concerned that i considered self referal into a mental health clinic. I did not though cause i did want to see my wife homeless, we had to find a new place to live with little time to do it. I am lucky that my depression when triggered usually lasts a few weeks and then i start to recover.

Again I'm only stating that there are only six recorded cases of suicide in the Bible:

Abimelech (Judges 9:52-54)
Saul (1 Samuel 31:4)
Saul's armor-bearer (1 Samuel 31:5)
Ahithophel (2 Samuel 17:23)
Zimri (1 Kings 16:15-20)
Judas Iscariot (Matthew 27:3-5)​

and in each instance they acted out of despair and unbelief which forfeited any hope of heaven.

The unfortunate thing about suicide is that the secular world today is attempting to the soften seriousness of it and for what it is ... the non-God pleasing action on the part of the person doing it.

What needs repeating is ultimately what sends the individual to hell is unbelief (John 3:36), which that is what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I'm sorry that you actually believe that. As someone living through the hell of severe depression, I am so incredibly sad and disheartened to read what you've just posted.
Being mentally ill isn't a state of unrepentance; it's an illness, exactly as the name suggests. Swap out what you said with "cancer" or "dementia" and see how absurd it sounds.
I haven't posted in years and this was the straw that broke the camels back.

To everyone else here; perhaps take a step back and walk a mile in a suicidal persons shoes. So much pain and self loathing that you believe the only way to remedy it is to kill yourself, that you're such a burden to everyone around you that you need to die. I don't know about you but I choose to believe that God has compassion on those who are hurting as much as that.
I've lived it, I've almost done it, and I am eternally grateful the God delivered me from making that choice so many years ago. But because I've been through that ordeal, I know how hard, how terrible it is. No one consciously decides "I'm going kill myself" because they think it's the best option, they choose so because at that time of total desperation, it seems like the only option.

People can continuously post the same cherry picked scripture supporting the unforgiveable side, and others can post in favour of the opposite. I choose to appeal to the nature of God, His love, compassion and understanding. If I know how painful it is to be in that situation, how much more does God understand the pain someone goes through before committing suicide.

Gonna go back to lurking now xx

Jesus can heal a person of depression. I am not going to argue with you over your own personal struggles. I am not permitted to make this discussion about any one particular person.

 

[steve78]

Still does not make it right or okay. If a person has an uncontrollable mental illness that drugs cannot fix, then they are judged by God (by being in a dead yet alive state) if they did not have any prior mental illness before. If a person can overcome and it is only a temporary mental illness, then that is different. But people are not without excuse for killing themselves. I am sorry. That is not how it works. If a person kills themselves, they will have only themselves to blame. There is no sickness or disease that Jesus cannot cure. A person can find hope in Jesus to want to live. There are no excuses for suicide.

I believe god judges fairly. If a mentally ill person takes their own life then i strongly believe god will judge them with compassion, just like i believe a baby who dies is held blameless and goes to heaven.

The church is bugger all help with mental illness. Not surprising since a lot think mentally ill people are possessed by demons. Come across that medievil nonsense myself.