FreeGrace2 said:
This is merely someone's opinion. God created mankind to seek Him for relationship. And He has revealed Himself to mankind, so that no one has an excuse for not seeking Him for relationship.
Men choose Christ because they realize that they are sinners and cannot save themselves. It has nothing to do with "preferring good", whatever that means.
Others reject Christ because they don't realize they are sinners, OR, they think they can earn salvation by works. Either way, they lose.
Generally, but not absolutely everyone.
"If there are men created by God who love light rather than darkness then why are all men not created with this propensity ?"
That's not the question, or issue. All were created to seek Him. But it seems RTR doesn't want to discuss that. And He has revealed Himself to everyone, so that no one has an excuse for not seeking Him. It seems RT doesn't want to discuss that either.
There is no difference. God created everyone to seek Him and He has revealed His attributes to everyone.
#1 is true ONLY after one believes and is regenerated. We know that the Bible doesn't teach regeneration before faith.
Faulty claim. All humans were created to seek God, and He has revealed Himself to everyone. That is what the Bible teaches.
"either way taking the anti-Calvinist view , or the Biblical view , it all comes down to God's Sovereignty. "
The Biblical view is non-Calvinist as well. God's sovereignty doesn't equate to God choosing who will believe, which is the logical and obvious conclusion of the RT doctrine of election.
God chooses to save those who believe (1 Cor 1:21).
God does NOT choose who will believe, or the Bible would teach that.
If God chose who would believe, Paul's answer to the jailer was quite incorrect, and even disingenuous. He told (imperative=command) the jailer to believe on Christ and he WILL BE SAVED.
Why give such a command IF God chooses who will believe?
I would greatly appreciate an answer to this question. Thanks.
These are merely your opinions
I will stay with scripture :
2 Thes 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because
God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
I already explained the duality of purpose in the command , but you can only see your own limited view
Your last question reminds me of "why pray if God already knows what your going to say and need " ?
again scripture does support my STATEMENTS , NOT YOUR ASSERTIONS
John.3
[1] There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
[2] The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
[3] Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
[8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
[9] Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
[10] Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
[11] Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
[13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
[14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
[15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world,
and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
[20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
[21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the
light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
[22] After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
[23] And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
[24] For John was not yet cast into prison.
[25] Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
[26] And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
[27] John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
[28] Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
[29] He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
[30] He must increase, but I must decrease.
[31] He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
[32] And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth;
and no man receiveth his testimony.
[33] He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
[34] For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
[35] The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
[36] He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
