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Sufficient vs Necessary

AndOne

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Gee, even Jesus believed that. Which is why He noted people who rejected Him. So, that makes Him a synergist, huh.
pretty slick. I love how you dodge the real issue of what real faith is and what it's genuine effect is. If you are going to break up my posts in order to reply to them please don't take what I say out of context.


This is simply and totally fallacious. No one has proven, much less shown definitively that the act of believing equals participating with God in their salvation. Here is the FACT: God saves the believer. Please show me how that FACT means that the believer "participated" in his own salvation, since it is God who saved him?


This has nothing to do with the issue. It isn't related to the issue of rejecting the gospel.

Please demonstrate HOW the act of believing equals participation in one's salvation. I don't believe anyone can do that.

I have demonstrated and don't feel the need to repeat myself. Let the reader take note who is more consistent and judge for themselves.
 
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Epiphoskei

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I see a flaw in your argument, BB. Someone might be able to arbitrarily deny it for no good reason under heaven. Also, you've clearly interacted with your opponent's statements, and someone might be able to ignore that and tell you that you haven't.
 
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I said this;
Gee, even Jesus believed that. Which is why He noted people who rejected Him. So, that makes Him a synergist, huh.
And your reply:
pretty slick. I love how you dodge the real issue of what real faith is and what it's genuine effect is. If you are going to break up my posts in order to reply to them please don't take what I say out of context.
What did I dodge? According to your view of synergism, Jesus was one.

Further, Paul was a synergist as well, from his answer to the jailer:
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

The jailer asked what he MUST DO to be saved. And Paul told him to believe in order to be saved. Yep. A synergist, according to your view.
 
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It's that time again kids! Time for our annual philosophy lesson Necessity vs Sufficiency!

The concept of Necessity vs Sufficiency is a logical (ie, pertaining to logic) discussion that asks questions about the implicational relationships between two things.

Necessity:

If something is necessary, that is the same as saying that the consequence cannot be true unless the premise is true. That is, the premise is necessary for the consequence in question to become a reality.

Sufficiency:

If something is sufficient, that means the consequence will, without fail, be true. In other words, that one thing, all by itself, fulfils all the conditions for the consequence to be realized.

I like to use fire as an example to teach this concept.

Fire (the consequence) needs three things to be true:

A) heat
B) fuel
C) oxygen

Each of these things individually are not sufficient for a fire. If you take only A, B, or C, or any combination of two (2) of them, it is impossible to create a fire. That means that all three of those things are necessary for a fire, but none of them alone is sufficient for a fire.

In other words, heat is necessary for a fire, but heat (by itself) is not sufficient for a fire. Heat, by itself, will not cause a fire (the consequence) to form. (a fire also needs oxygen, and something to burn, aka fuel!)

The same is true of fuel and oxygen.

So what is an example of sufficiency?

Being a father is sufficient for being a male.

If a person is a father, it is automatically true that the person is a male. (If they were female,and had children, they'd be a mother instead)

So being a father (P) is sufficient for being a male (C)

However, the flipside of this is not the same. Observe:

Being a male is not sufficient for the person being a father. However, being male is necessary to be a father.

In this case, you can be a male without being a father. However, to be a father, the condition of "being male" must be true, which makes being male necessary, but not sufficient, for being a father.

Now that you know the difference between necessary and sufficient, let's talk theology.

In theology, we monergists like to say that Christ's atonement was sufficient to save people. That is, his death secured everything those people need to be ultimately saved: their regeneration, their faith, their repentance, etc. Everything a person needs to be saved is secured by Christ's life and death for them. That means that Christ's life and death (in monergism) is sufficient to result in salvation. Another way to say this is that if Christ died for a person, that person will, without fail, be saved. Thus, Christ is sufficient for salvation.

However, in synergism, this is not true. Christ can die for a person (in synergism), but yet that person might not be saved. However, the person does need Christ to be saved. That means in synergism, Christ is necessary, but not sufficient. He is necessary because salvation is impossible without him (the way fire is impossible without oxygen), but he is not sufficient for salvatoin (his work alone is not enough for the salvation of a person)

That is because in synergism, something else is necessary: man's cooperation, man's input, man's choice, man's decision, man's free will. Call it whatever you want, word it however you want, but in synergism, there is this other thing that is a necessary condition for his salvation.

So, in synergism, both (grace + man's free will) are necessary for salvation, but neither by itself is sufficient for salvation. Only the combination of both is sufficient for salvation.

Fire:
Fire
Oxygen
Fuel

Synergistic Salvation:
Man's Free Will
Grace

In these two, you can't create the consequence (fire/salvation) with any of the premises or conditions by themselves. It takes all of them together to produce the consequence.

Monergistic Salvation:
Grace/Christ's death

However, in monergism, Grace is sufficient for salvation. It is not merely necessary, but it is also sufficient. Whereas in synergism, Christ is necessary, but not sufficient, in monergism, Christ alone/grace alone is actually suffiicent. It always produces the end result (the consequence) of man's salvation. Every. Single. Time. Without fail. It does not need or rely on anything else. It does not rely on other necessary conditions the way fire or synergistic salvation do. It, all by itself, is the sufficient condition for its consequence.

This is why the reformers said "Sola Gratia" or "Grace alone!". This is what they had in mind when they coined the phrase. They understood the difference between something being necessary vs something being sufficient.

Luther understood it
Calvin understood it
Even Erasmus, Luther's opponent, understood it.

Hope this helped! And I hope you understand it now too!

2 Cor 12: 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me." ESV
 
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