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[AV1611VET]

Human faith is also called positive thinking, the power of suggestion and so on. There is no question that human faith is powerful, motivational people in sports and business promotes it. The faith your talking about is God's faith that goes beyond what man can do apart from God. His faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit working in our life and there is also a gift of faith when you study the Charisma's or the Spiritual gifts. I see Christians try to use their human faith sometimes when they do not understand how the faith of God works in our lives.

I suppose you're right.

 

[HitchSlap]

I suppose you're right.

I din't think god was the author of confusion.

 

[bhsmte]

If that is the case then NOTHING you say proves any of the Bible to be false. The Bible is very, very testable. When they went to look for the walls of Jericho they found them exactly where the Bible said they will be. Of course when they went to find Troy they found it also exactly where Homer said it would be. I have studied ancient history for around 50 years now and I am just getting started as there is so much to learn about the History we read about in the Bible. This is what we call written recorded History as compared to history we have from the artifacts that we find. For example they can find ancient grains and grinding stones going back as far as 20,000 years, but they are wild grains. The domesticated grains that we read about in the Bible go back to exactly where we expect to find them from our study of the Bible. So there are lots and lots and lots of ways to show that the Bible is accurate and true. Generation after generation has tried and they always come up with the same conclusion, the Bible is 100% accurate and true in every way we are currently able to verify it.

We know that Abraham came from the city of Ur. They have excavated that city and they have studied it's remains. Even they found a 10 foot deep layer of muck from a flood. They continue to study the ancient city in Jerusalem and all the artifacts they find lines up with the Bible. Once when they were repairing the drainage on the temple mount they found an arrow head. They ran the carbon test to find the age and it was all verified. Those people with those arrowheads attacked Jerusalem at a point in time that science and the Bible agree upon with no conflict. Even over a simply little arrow head. Every little tiny artifact they find can all be verified to be true and they all prove the Bible to be accurate and true. I can go on and on and on all day long and write many many books of artifacts they have found that will all verify that the Bible is 100% accurate and true.

What can you find on your side of the scale as evidence against the Bible? Nothing, your the one that has absolutely nothing to bring to the table in the way of rock solid evidence and I have overwelming evidence to show what I say is true. I just do not get started because we would go on and on forever looking at all the evidence there is to look at.

One of my favorites is when Solomon built the temple using the cedar from Lebanon. There are still patches of those beautiful cedar trees in the mountains of Lebanon today if you were ever to go to the sky resorts there. The Bible says they are even more beautiful then the trees were in Eden. I did a study on that when I was taking one of the classes at the Bible School. We have lots and lots and lots of evidence that shows the Bible is 100% accurate and true. A lot more accurate and true then any book that you can produce from any university library. They are all outdated and in need of revision almost from the beginning. Yet the Bible has remained unchanged for over 3500 years now.

Do you know who invented the first wheel? Do you know who invented the first chariot? It was not Egypt, it was the Assyrians that defeated the Egyptians in battle. You can read it in your Bible and you can read it in the hieroglyphics that you find in Egypt. After that the Egyptians began to develop chariots for battle and they became a powerful nation. We read that: "Joseph prepared his chariot and went up to Goshen to meet his father Israel" If this young man had a chariot he had clout just as we would expect from reading the Bible. This was a small nation but they had a lot of prosperity at the time. Also there are lots and lots and lots of clay tablets that can be used to verify what we read in the Bible. Esp from Babylon, the country that defeated Jerusalem and that is where Daniel ended up working for the King because he was very well educated. The remains of Babylon are still there today. God said it would never be rebuilt and it never was even though Saddam Hussein tried to rebuild it but the project failed.

Now if Joseph has jumped on his magic carpet to go visit his girlfriend, then maybe you would be able to back up your claim. As it is everything we read in the Bible can be found to be accurate and true.

I still don't see you presenting scientific evidence, to show Genesis is true.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I still don't see you presenting scientific evidence, to show Genesis is true.

I got more evidence that the Bible is true then the doctors have to show me their treatment plan is beneficial. You simply have a double standard. One standard for science and one standard for the Bible. In fact most the atheists on this board will accept that the Bible is historically accurate and true. They just reject what science can not verify like the resurrection and things like that. So you are rejecting science and the scientific evidence that shows the Bible is accurate and true. It would be more logical to accept what science can verify and then reject what it is not able to verify. You simply want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[bhsmte]

I got more evidence that the Bible is true then the doctors have to show me their treatment plan is beneficial. You simply have a double standard. One standard for science and one standard for the Bible. In fact most the atheists on this board will accept that the Bible is historically accurate and true. They just reject what science can not verify like the resurrection and things like that. So you are rejecting science and the scientific evidence that shows the Bible is accurate and true. It would be more logical to accept what science can verify and then reject what it is not able to verify. You simply want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

I haven't yet seen this scientific evidence.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I haven't yet seen this scientific evidence.

I just showed it to you. Here is a photo of the walls if Jericho that we teach the kids in sunday school. You can do a carbon test and the date will line up with the date in the Bible.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I haven't yet seen this scientific evidence.

This is the temple mount that we read about in Jerusalam. Again it goes back 3,000 years to bible days even though the temple was rebuilt twice you can see the new construction on the old walls.

 

[bhsmte]

I just showed it to you. Here is a photo of the walls if Jericho that we teach the kids in sunday school. You can do a carbon test and the date will line up with the date in the Bible.

Did you not say, this scientific evidence would prove Genesis to be true, without question?

 

[joshua 1 9]

I haven't yet seen this scientific evidence.

This is the foundation for a tower that we find in ancient Babylon. You can read a story in the Bible about these towers.

 

[bhsmte]

This is the foundation for a tower that we find in ancient Babylon. You can read a story in the Bible about these towers.

Cool.

There is other pretty big stuff in Genesis, if I am not mistaken.

Show me the "scientific" evidence to support 6 day creation and the flood.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Did you not say, this scientific evidence would prove Genesis to be true, without question?

Genesis is a big book. Just the first 32 verses covers the creation of the whole universe up to this point in time. The more you understand the Bible the more you will understand about science. There are hundreds of thousands of books at the library of the universities that go into detail about what we read in the first 32 verses of the Bible.

Other then the first chapter the rest of Genesis covers over 1500 years of Human history. This is written history from a very important time when man was becoming civilized and when they are first building cities and when farming began.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Cool.

There is other pretty big stuff in Genesis, if I am not mistaken.

Show me the "scientific" evidence to support 6 day creation and the flood.

I am a dispensationalist. So each day was 1000 years. So we go back 13,000 years when the glaciers were melting and the world was flooding. You will find an extinction followed by a population explosion at that time. God always repopulates the world with a remnant of what was here before. Now what is the oldest building in the world: Göbekli Tepe: the world's oldest temple. A 12,000-year-old temple that is being excavated in Turkey. This is when there was a separation between light and darkness.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Genesis is a big book. Just the first 32 verses covers the creation of the whole universe up to this point in time. The more you understand the Bible the more you will understand about science. There are hundreds of thousands of books at the library of the universities that go into detail about what we read in the first 32 verses of the Bible.

Other then the first chapter the rest of Genesis covers over 1500 years of Human history. This is written history from a very important time when man was becoming civilized and when they are first building cities and when farming began.

This is interesting lets look at this:

"the remarkable ancient star map shows that the Sumerians made an observation of an Aten asteroid over a kilometer in diameter that impacted Köfels in Austria in the early morning of 29th June 3123 BC."

In the Bible we read: "Godsaid, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" Here we see that people did a study of the sky and they were able to leave us a record of what they observed in the sky. Perhaps this asteroid was a sign. Still we have artifacts and we have records of what was going on with humans at the time.

"With modern computer programs that can simulate trajectories and reconstruct the night sky thousands of years ago the researchers have established what the Planisphere tablet refers to. It is a copy of the night notebook of a Sumerian astronomer as he records the events in the sky before dawn on the 29 June 3123 BC (Julian calendar)."

The first clay tablets were to show propery lines and to show how many bushels of produce the land produced. We can see man begin to become more advanced as the clay tablets become more advanced. We see laws and we see science. We have these artifacts that science provides. We have written history in the Bible and other clay tablets from before Moses gave us our Bible. Some people say that Moses copied the Bible from stories he found on clay tablets.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Did you not say, this scientific evidence would prove Genesis to be true, without question?

No one questions the historical accuracy of the Bible. The Bible goes a long way to helping science with the work they do. Many of the great men of science followed the Bible and used the Bible to help them in the scientific work they were doing. Newton was a huge Bible student and wrote a commentary on the book of Daniel. Science would not be what it is today if it were not for the Bible.

 

[bhsmte]

I am a dispensationalist. So each day was 1000 years. So we go back 13,000 years when the glaciers were melting and the world was flooding. You will find an extinction followed by a population explosion at that time. God always repopulates the world with a remnant of what was here before. Now what is the oldest building in the world: Göbekli Tepe: the world's oldest temple. A 12,000-year-old temple that is being excavated in Turkey. This is when there was a separation between light and darkness.

This seems to be a common problem.

Lets make this real simple.

Please show me the "scientific" evidence, that supports biblical creationism and the biblical flood. Please, only direct your response to those two topics, with "scientific" evidence, to support them.

 

[bhsmte]

No one questions the historical accuracy of the Bible. The Bible goes a long way to helping science with the work they do. Many of the great men of science followed the Bible and used the Bible to help them in the scientific work they were doing. Newton was a huge Bible student and wrote a commentary on the book of Daniel. Science would not be what it is today if it were not for the Bible.

No one questions the historical accuracy of the bible?

Clearly, you haven't read work from biblical historians and scholars.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Please show me the "scientific" evidence, that supports biblical creationism and the biblical flood. Please, only direct your response to those two topics, with "scientific" evidence, to support them.

All the scientific evidence supports Bible Creationism. As far as the flood, everywhere you go is evidence for a flood. Eden in the middle east is not really distinct from any of the other Edens in the world. From a scientific perspective Eden was the bio diverse ecology that we find in the Tigris Euphrates River valley. Humans came into this area from Africa. They had fishing nets and fish hooks so they followed the river north because that is where their food was. Also they had sowing needles so they could make clothing to keep warm. At the time they were making clothing from the fig tree which is really not very durable. God showed them how to make clothing with animal skins. There are some native people in African that still use fibers from the fig tree to make clothing. God created a world for them that today we would consider to be paradise. WE all know how that turned out.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No one questions the historical accuracy of the bible?

Clearly, you haven't read work from biblical historians and scholars.

I study history and I study the Bible. Mostly I look at what archaeology is finding. I study the artifacts for myself. Or I study the evolution of plants as they became domesticated in the Middle East. In the Tigris Euphrates River Valley.

 

[bhsmte]

All the scientific evidence supports Bible Creationism. As far as the flood, everywhere you go is evidence for a flood. Eden in the middle east is not really distinct from any of the other Edens in the world. From a scientific perspective Eden was the bio diverse ecology that we find in the Tigris Euphrates River valley. Humans came into this area from Africa. They had fishing nets and fish hooks so they followed the river north because that is where their food was. Also they had sowing needles so they could make clothing to keep warm. At the time they were making clothing from the fig tree which is really not very durable. God showed them how to make clothing with animal skins. There are some native people in African that still use fibers from the fig tree to make clothing. God created a world for them that today we would consider to be paradise. WE all know how that turned out.

You are making claims.

No scientific evidence to support your claims.

 

[bhsmte]

I study history and I study the Bible. Mostly I look at what archaeology is finding. I study the artifacts for myself. Or I study the evolution of plants as they became domesticated in the Middle East. In the Tigris Euphrates River Valley.

Cool.