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Submitting, what's that?

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I see people here discussing it and wanting to submit to their husbands one day... but what is it? When I ask girls about it, they seem to honestly want it, but have no idea how to express it or tell me what it means.

How exactly does a wife 'submit'? What qualities in a guy does a christian woman want in submitting?
 

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I always though submitting was allowing y ourself to be led; like a wife allows herself to be led by her husband. She seeks his direction and rests in his protection. She trusts him to guide her and the rest of the family in all areas and trusts him to be seeking God's direction. And she respects his guidance. It's a beautiful thing but the world has twisted the meaning of submission to mean weakness and it's not that at all. It works best when the husband is doing his job as a man and is seeking God and loving his wife as Christ loved the church.
 
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BigToe said:
but more of allowing him to be the spiritual leader.
I hear/read that one often too. What is a 'spiritual leader'? Someone that bosses the woman around and tells her what to believe? How does one act as a good 'spiritual leader'?

I can see myself as a spiritual 'pusher' encouraging faith and trust in God, but, leader?
 
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thats kinda what it is though mikeypoo. it doesn't mean you dictate what your wife should believe or do. but that you challenger her walk with christ and encourage her to continue her growth in that relationship. don't tell her what it should be like, but be supportive of it, be an "accountability partner" of sorts.
 
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BigToe said:
thats kinda what it is though mikeypoo. it doesn't mean you dictate what your wife should believe or do. but that you challenger her walk with christ and encourage her to continue her growth in that relationship. don't tell her what it should be like, but be supportive of it, be an "accountability partner" of sorts.
Shouldn't the wife be holding the husband accountable? Words like 'leader' and 'submit' make it sound like one partner has a specific role, whereas the other one does not. It is not as if women are lesser beings or have a more delicate or darker soul.
 
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no and she would be one to him too, you're right.

hmm i suggest you read song of soloman for an example. she was attracted to him and loved him for who he really was. and he too loved her, but he wouldn't allow temptations to awaken before it was the proper time.

its not that women can't encourage and challenge their husbands, but men provide a sense of security.

like back in the day they had these HUGE banners where they would say like Saul's Army or something so you could see what it was and where to run when you needed it. basically they didn't have the phones and roads that we do now, so its how they alerted you to what things were. in Song of Soloman she says that he brought her to his banqueting table and his banner over her is love.

so you have this sort of sacrificial love for your wife, you love her as Christ loved the church. and you are basically shouting that to the whole world. covering her with it- protecting her with it. not that she doesn't love you in return. you can be complete equals in your household- both working, both investing, both making decisions together, it doesnt mean she cannot submit to you though.
 
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A wife allows herself to be led by her husband. She seeks his direction and rests in his protection. She trusts him to guide her and the rest of the family in all areas and trusts him to be seeking God's direction. And she respects his guidance. It's a beautiful thing but the world has twisted the meaning of submission to mean weakness and it's not that at all. It works best when the husband is doing his job as a man and is seeking God and loving his wife as Christ loved the church.
I see this best in the way my parent's household works. My mother is an intelligent and fantastically capable woman. When she sets her mind to something, you can be certain that it will happen and be done well. My father often says that she is more intelligent than he is, but I would say that her skills and his complement each other.

In the midst of all of this, though, she follows Dad's lead - the buck stops with him. Some decisions they discuss. Some decisions he makes directly, but many decisions are Mom's and they never discuss them. It's much like the organization of a crew on a ship. There must always be a captain providing direction, but the exec does much of the implementing of the direction, and provides valuable input - and no, Dad doesn't bark orders, or treat Mom like a servant, a slave, or a child. He treats her as his wife, and they work together. They discuss things, and where they agree there's no issue. However, when they disagree, she follows his lead. Sometimes he's right, sometimes he's wrong, but there are no power struggles in the home, because they understand how the system works.

In the correct situation, the husband loves his wife like Christ loved the church, and lays his life down for her. His decisions are made for both their (with a focus on her) benefit, and his goal is to be the family's biggest servant, and his wife's best benefactor on earth. This means making her benefit more important than his own, and sacrificing of time, energy, and opportunity. Sometimes he has to do things that his wife might not like him to, because it would still be to her benefit and/or the right thing to do. But he needs to keep his in-family responibility focus that he is his wife's protector and loving leader, not her dictator, boss, or owner, even though the buck stops wih him. One of his biggest jobs in loving his wife is to carry the load of leadership, the what-ifs if things don't work out, and not have his wife make all the decisions and do everything while he just coasts along and reaps the benefits. If he does not consult with his wife, he is missing out on her wisdom and thoughts. His wife needs to be able to rest in his care, even while she is his biggest supporter and has his back. Plus, he has the job to make her life special with thoughtful things for no reason at all, except that he loves her and wants her to know how special she is.

The wife is to submit to her husband as the church submits to Christ, knowing that he is the leader or captain of the family, and that he is responsible for her good. She is not a floormat, or a non-entity, or a robot - she is an intelligent, capable person, who gives input to her husband, and be his number one backup and resource person based on those God-given talents. She needs to not cut him down, not be contentious, and also work for his good. A man can buy a house and live in it, but its the special touches from a wife that make it a home, and a sanctuary where he can retreat from the hardships of the world.

Submission merely means that there is a captain and leader on the team, and the wife is the number one player. The husband is not superior to the wife - they are co-heirs of Christ. The wife is in no-way inferior to her husband - they are partners together, with a known way of getting things done and coming to resolution on decisions. But with both husband and wife, the focus needs to be "our", rather than "my". :^)

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I know this may sound funny, but someone once explained the submission between husband and wife to me like an oister, though that may sound icky.

The man is the shell of it, protecting the woman from outside. This may be direct in providing for her or physically sheltering her, or indirectly by keeping temptation at bay. He gives her the chance to grow, to become herself. The shell should not be restricting, but helpful and suporting in the growth, growing with her.

On the other hand: the woman is the 'meat' within the oister. She gives strength to the man, who would only be a shell without her, who gives him -not only purpose- but feeds him (again, not just physically, but also spiritually). She is the source of his growth.

The man 'surrounds' the woman with his care, and the woman is the core of the man with her nurturing. Both roles are equally important. The shell should not limit the meat, and the meat should not hold back the shell. While the woman submits to the protection and the confinement of the shell, she only does that because she knows that shell will never limit her. In a way... the shell submits itself as well. He accepts the nurturing of the meat, knowing he will not be complete without it, and lays his growth in its hands.

Alone they are less. Together, they can produce a pearl of wonderous beauty: a family.

Within our modern culture a lot of women however do not feel comfortable within the role that is given to them. They are less skilled in the nurturing and more skilled in protecting. And a lot of men feel not comfortable in being the protector or guide, they don't know how to accept the nurturing, or how to guide. This can stem from education, societies demands, personality or various other reasons. Together, husband and wife should then redefine their roles, to still make that unit in which there is room for both nurturing and protecting.
 
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basicaly as a husband you need to make decisions not only for yourself, but with her needs in mind. kinda like putting her before you. well she would do the same. you are right, both partners "submit" to each other in a sense.

but mikey- don't get caught up in the words, its just semantics dear. you'll be fine.

basically when your wife has a problem or issue she is struggling with, for her to submit means she finds you spiritually sound and strong enough to turn to you and trust your guidance. not that you wouldn't do the same for her, mind you. i guess a way of describing it is.... if a girl has problems with someone her guy friends take that protective stance- sometimes offering to beat someone up kinda deal (though they don't actually beat someone, but you know what i mean). where as most girls wouldn't offer to beat the person up, but would offer other means to help you in your struggles.

does that make any sense?
 
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I think of it as though it was us and God, or the church under the pastor. You give praise and honor to both. That is submiting. If the pastor of the church said "I want to start an hour of prayer before servise" It would be submiting to show up and support him and pray with him.

If he said "I want to hit you on the head when you come in" It would not be submiting, but rather being forced. Submition is suport to me and honor as well as respect.
 
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BigToe said:
yes and you are getting caught up in semantics dear
A rose by any other name is still a rose. I'm not asking what does 'submit' mean, I'm asking what exactly IS the state of mind women want towards their husbands, which we call 'submission', although clearly 'submission' is for want of a better term.

If women are 'submitting' or whatever word you use to describe it, to their husbands, what then is it and why is it seemingly one sided?

If it means allowing for spiritual guidence, shouldn't both sexes be doing that? If it is protecting, which is basically one-sided, then why not just say that?
 
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