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Featured Studying the Trinity

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Tsquared, Nov 26, 2020.

  1. GreekOrthodox

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    <pushes glass up on nose to look smart> Orthodox don't use either the Apostles or Athanasian creeds. The Apostles Creed was mainly used as a baptismal creed in Rome and we use the Nicene Creed without the "filioque", the phrase that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father "and the Son". The problem with the Athanasian creed is that uses the "filioque", specifically it states, "The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten;"
     
  2. Dave L

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    Here are many verses that show the trinity. See if you can see the trinity mentioned in them.


    Trinity Passages
    English Standard Version 233 results in 42 verses


    Matt 1:20

    But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

    Matt 3:16

    And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;

    Matt 12:18

    “Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles.

    Matt 12:28

    But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

    Matt 22:43

    He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,

    Matt 28:19

    Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

    Luke 1:35

    And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

    Luke 2:26

    And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

    Luke 3:22

    and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”

    Luke 10:21

    In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.

    John 1:33

    I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’

    John 3:5

    Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

    John 3:34

    For he whom God has sent utters the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure.

    John 14:16

    And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,

    John 14:26

    But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

    John 15:26

    “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

    John 16:15

    All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

    Acts 1:4

    And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me;

    Acts 2:33

    Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

    Acts 7:55

    But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

    Acts 10:38

    how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

    Rom 1:4

    and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,

    Rom 8:9

    You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

    Rom 8:11

    If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

    Rom 15:16

    to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

    Rom 15:30

    I appeal to you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf,

    1 Cor 6:11

    And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

    1 Cor 12:3

    Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

    2 Cor 3:3

    And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

    2 Cor 13:14

    The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

    Gal 4:6

    And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

    Eph 2:18

    For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.

    Eph 2:22

    In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

    Phil 3:3

    For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—

    2 Thess 2:13

    But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.

    Titus 3:6

    whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

    Heb 9:14

    how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

    Heb 10:29

    How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

    1 Pet 1:2

    according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

    1 Pet 4:14

    If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.

    1 John 4:2

    By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

    Rev 2:7

    He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’
     
  3. buzuxi02

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    I've never been one that found the doctrine of the Trinity to be odd or difficult to grasp.
    Perhaps it's due to my Greek ancestral roots where philosophy and metaphysical concepts were refined and debated in the public squares for centuries.

    When I listen to Muslims who are perplexed at this idea I realize that high brow philosophical ideas were void in the middle east thus they can't grasp it. Same with anti-trinitarians, I don't mean to sound condescending but they are pretty much simpletons. You can't discuss geometry with someone who has yet to figure out simple addition and subtraction.
     
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    I believe that the Trinity is saying something vital about God but I don't think it's something that we can understand. It's beyond our experience and so we can't visualise it at all. I think of the word as a signpost to the reality of God but we can't fully know what that reality is, at least in this life.
     
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  5. PaulCyp1

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    There isn't anything in the natural universe that can be analogous to the reality of the Trinity. We know it is true because God has clearly revealed it through the Church He founded, to which He promised the fullness of His truth. But there is no way mere humans can fully understand God, or compare Him to anything in the physical universe.
     
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  6. Devin Hammond

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    For the Orthodox, there is precisely one Creed: the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed.

    That being said, it depends on what you mean by 'accept'. The theology of Quicunque Vult / (Pseudo-)Athanasian Creed is definitely Latin in origin, but, generally speaking, it is theologically acceptable to the Orthodox once the filioque is removed. It is occasionally included in Russian psalters without the filioque. For example, see here for a ROCOR view.

    However, Quicunque Vult is not considered normative in Orthodoxy. It is a useful historic document of the Church, but it was never endorsed (or to my knowledge, mentioned) by an Ecumenical Council.

    Most of this is covered by Wikipedia.
     
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    Yes, it is a great mystery. 1 Timothy 3:16
     
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    The concept of the Trinity used to seem dry, impenetrable, and not applicable to my daily life.

    Then I discovered that relationships are the bottom line in life. And Christianity is about relationship. And the Trinity itself is an endless loving relationship.

    Since then, the Trinity has seemed warm and beautiful.
     
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    On the Nature of God and on the Trinity - Theological Commonplaces

    On the Trinity|Hardcover

    The Oxford Handbook of the Trinity

    What Is The Trinity? (Basics of the Faith)

    Making Sense of the Trinity: Three Crucial Questions

    What Is the Trinity?

    The Quest for the Trinity: The Doctrine of God in Scripture, History and Modernity

    Delighting in the Trinity: An Introduction to the Christian Faith

    The Deep Things of God: How the Trinity Changes Everything , Revised edition

    Understanding the Doctrine of the Trinity

    The Trinity and the Kingdom: The Doctrine of God

    A Brief History of the Doctrine of the Trinity in the Early Church

    Systematic Theology, Volume 2: The Doctrine of the Holy Trinity: Processions and Persons

    The Trinity: An Introduction to Catholic Doctrine on the Triune God

    The Trinity: An Introduction

    The Trinity: The Mystery of the Godhead

    Essays on the Trinity

    Christian Understandings of the Trinity: The Historical Trajectory

    The Essential Trinity: New Testament Foundations and Practical Relevance

    The Holy Trinity: In Scripture, History, Theology, and Worship

    Rediscovering the Triune God: The Trinity in Contemporary Theology

    The Trinity: Guides to Theology Series

    Resurrecting the Trinity: A Plea to Recover the Wonder and Meaning of the Triune God

    Invocation and Assent: The Making and the Remaking of Trinitarian Theology

    Father, Son, and Spirit: The Trinity and John's Gospel (New Studies in Biblical Theology)

    Father, Son and Holy Spirit: Toward a Fully Trinitarian Theology

    Participating in God: A Pastoral Theology of the Trinity

    The Trinity

    The College Student's Introduction to the Trinity

    These Three Are One: The Practice of Trinitarian Theology

    Trinitarian Theology: Theological Models and Doctrinal Application

    These Three Are One: The Practice of Trinitarian Theology

    The Mystery of the Trinity: A Trinitarian Approach to the Attributes of God

    The Holy Trinity in the Life of the Church

    How To Explain The Trinity|Paperback
     
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  10. Clare73

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    What about this limping analogy: my thought (originating it), my word (explaining it) and my action (performing it) all being me?
    Where in God, those are three persons, all the one God.​
     
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  11. BobRyan

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    True - but like anything else - it has basics that can be understood.

    For example - one God Deut 6:4 in three persons Matt 28:19... so then in John 17:1-6 - Christ is not "praying to Himself".
     
  12. buzuxi02

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    Analogies:
    The human family is modeled after the Trinity. Just as there are three hypostasis one in essence in the Trinity, the human family is husband, wife, and offspring. From Adam came Eve and through Eve the third springs forth, all whom share in the one and same essence.

    The building blocks of the universe are a trinity. Though an Atom can be sub-divided further it is useless as quarks. No such thing as a half an atom of gold. The tripartite atomic structure of protons, neutrons and electrons form one undivided element (Romans 1:20).
    The human person made in the image and likeness of God is a trinity of Mind, Body and Soul. Or in semitic parlance body, Soul and Spirit.
     
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  13. jacks

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    I"m sure it is clear to many people but to be honest I've never really understood the Trinity. I accept it on faith, because better minds than mine have seen its truth.
     
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  14. chad kincham

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    Jesus is God and the trinity a fact, but though Jesus is God the Logos, if you notice, that to be saved you only need believe He is God’s son, per Jesus Himself in John 3, per Peters confession that Jesus is the Son of God, etc.

    Learning He is God comes later for most believers.

    Jesus:

    Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

    Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

    Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

    Peter:

    Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

    Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    1 John:

    1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
     
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    The incarnation is an essential doctrine of the Christian faith. If you don’t acknowledge Jesus as God then you are not a believer.
     
  17. Dave L

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    I think if you study the historic creeds on the Trinity, it is easy to understand. Especially if you study the Christology Creeds.
     
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    I just disproved that, so that’s egregious error.

    Nowhere in the Bible does it say that believing Mary birthed God instead of Gods son, is required for salvation.

    1john 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

    1Jn 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the SON to be the Saviour of the world.

    1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

    Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    Joh 3:17 For God sent not his SON into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not BELIEVED in the name of the only BEGOTTEN SON of God.
     
  19. Devin Hammond

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    Who is the Son of God but God and part of the Trinity? I don’t think that you are understanding what Son of God means and his identity as Son. Claiming to be the Son of God is the same as claiming to be God. John 10:30-36
     
  20. Clare73

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    But it does matter how we habitually think of Christ; our spiritual health--appropriation of him--depends in great measure on whether or not our vision of him is adequate. For to know Christ is to know his benefits, how much he has to give us as messenger, mediator and personal embodiment of the saving grace of God.

    A deficient vision of Christ himself--a lack of awareness of who he really is, means one's knowledge of his benefits will necessarily be deficient also. For the Biblical character of Christ as messenger, mediator and personal embodiment of the saving grace of God all have their concern with Christ as the answer to the questions which the Bible itself teaches us to consider about our relationship with God--the reality of divine holiness and our sin. The further away we are in our minds from these characteristics of Christ and, therefore, from these questions, the less knowledge of the real Christ and the real God we can have.

    What is stated and presented of Christ is tied to what is stated and presented in New Testament theology, which is the Father's own witness through the Spirit to the Son. There is no real Jesus save the Jesus of that theology. The less we know about Christ, the more likely the question arises whether our response to the Jesus of whom we have inadequate ideas can really be viewed as Christian faith.

    So an inadequate vision of Christ is not without personal spiritual consequences.
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