Dr. D Bunker
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Do you realize that there is not a single place in the bible that gives a start to finish explanation of the end times inclusive of all that will take place.You can say that but it's not true. Nowhere is there a verse that says such a thing. It's presumed.
The reason you are wrong in regards to the meaning of 2Thessalonians2:4 as (not) being the Jewish temple is because in Ezekiel 28:1-10, the person is killed for the act. The person may claim to be some god like Zeus. I wouldn't rule out that possibility - and likely hood, similarly speaking.That means when god isn't capitalized, it refers to a false heathen god. (Allah) I also noticed from the interlinear that the KJV translators also dropped the word ‘THE’! It should read “ the temple of THE God!” SO verse 4 is better interpreted like this…
You question is not legit. It is flawed.No it's not a flawed question. It's legit and requires an answer.
I have been saying to you, you have to first start by understanding what "Christ" means as far as being the promised King of Israel, descended from King David. And from that what the Antichrist person will be. Then start connecting the dots to get the picture. I have been showing you some of the dots.If the antichrist is the "illegitimate King of Israel" or the "false anointed one of Israel," then there would be at least some indication in scripture about it. Where is it?
He will be Israel's oppressor, not Israel's false Messiah. He's Islam's false Messiah called the Mahdi. Israel will not become part of his kingdom, but he will invade it and take Jerusalem, esp. East Jerusalem the old city.
To clarify...I can't say I understand your reply well.
The Mahdi is the False Prophet. The Islamic antichrist, the dajjal, is the biblical antichrist. Muslim's will not know who he is. You say it doesn't work but I can't figure out what you're saying about it. Explain you idea better.
Identify the "biblical anti-Christ" in some passage, fighting the Mahdi person. So I can understand what your thoughts on the Mahdi person better.The dajjal! He's the Islamic anti-Christ as well as the biblical anti-Christ.
Allow me to say something. I am 70 years old and have been pursuing the end times prophecies intensely for for the past 47 years. So there is going to be some disconnection between us, where I don't know what is in your head, and vice versa.You need to explain yourself. I don't know what's in your head and what prophecies your talking about. I don't know if it's Rev. 17's harlot being burned with fire or Daniel 11's king of the North taking out the king or the south .....or what?
The false prophet and the beast in Revelation 13 work together. When the person is killed comes back to life as the beast, the false prophet has the world make a image of the beast person to be worshiped, and to worship the beast person himself (Revelation 13:12).All I asked is what prophecies you're referring to when you said,
"Are you calling the beast the Antichrist? If so, it doesn't fit, because the False Prophet (the Mahdi) would not be fighting the beast (the Antichrist - dajjal, in that scenario). As they are running mates."
My speculation is the image will be made out of gold, with the nations donating. Speculation based on the golden calf incident where the children of Israel melted down their gold. It is speculation only.I agree they work together. The world doesn't make an image to be worshipped. Verse 14 doesn't say the entire world makes an image to the beast, "saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast."
So the most important thing I'm trying to get across is this beast isn't worldwide. I say it's an Islamic Caliphate. Revelation's 17 beast is also.
The beast person cannot be Saddam. I think for sake of discussion, in your scenario, you are going to have to say some unknown muslim leader who will be in power as leader of the kingdom of Islam when the 7 years begin.The first beast is BOTH a man and a kingdom. The person who may have a statue of himself, the person whose "deadly wound was healed and the world is amazed at his return, could be Saddam. I know it sounds crazy but there's a lot of reasons for that.
Since the kingdom of the man of sin isn't worldwide, and since the end-time beast are all Islamic, and since only Muslims within that empire will be subject to the beast, Israel will NOT be part of it.
Well, that is where the concept of Mahdi comes from. You are citing muslim concepts and using those concepts to explain how Islam, and it leaders, fit the prophecies in the bible.It doesn't matter so much what Islamic eschatology teaches.