Struggling With The Sabbath

[Hismessenger]

Jesus is the only sabbath that we are to keep today. It is no longer about a day and never has been. The scriptures say that The Son of Man is also Lord of the sabbath. If you look at Lev. 25 I believe you will see that there were many days That God called a day of rest and there were many sabbath feasts in which they ran consecutively from the Saturday sabbath until the following Sunday, all in which there was to be no work. Then look at when God brought Isreal out of Egypt. When the cloud rested, they were to rest. When the cloud moved they were to move. These were sabbath rests that pointed to christ. We are to rest in him and rest from our religious works that God did not call us to. Our obedience is to that rest, not about days and laws. But we have to do something is the cry but the reality is when you Rest in him your are doing something. Your being obedient to God's will.

hismessenger

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus is the only sabbath that we are to keep today. It is no longer about a day and never has been.

I think you will agree with me that such a statement could not be used by someone who claims to get all their doctrine from the actual Bible - unless that statement above were a quote from the actual Bible.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Please explain why these pro-sunday scholars don't push nor practice the 7th day Sabbath.

Quote proof they did.

bugkiller

I provide that in my 7 point list.

Ok that is all well and good - but the thread title says that these obvious pro-Ten Commandment facts in the Bible are also affirmed by pro-Sunday scholarship.

How can that possibly be?

First a summary of the pro-Sunday scholarship statements affirming the TEN Commandments.

Here is an example of claims made by the pro-Sunday sources - and 6 of the 7 are actually correct according to the Bible!.


Yes that is right - 6 of the 7 are actually common ground between Sabbath keeping and Sunday keeping Christians.


1. That the Sabbath Commandment is first given to mankind in Gen 2:1-3
2. That all mankind was obligated by the TEN commandments in the OT and to this very day.
3. That the seventh day as the Sabbath was Saturday the seventh day of the week from Gen 2:1-3 until NT times - including at the cross.
4. That the Ten Commandments are the moral Law of God
5. That the moral law of God is written on the heart under the New Covenant
6. that the Ten Commandments as the moral law of God are in no way opposed to grace and the Gospel.
7. That the Sabbath commandment can rightly be BENT by man-made-tradition to point to week-day-1 after the cross.

I agree with 6 out of 7 as listed above - and yet many who post against God's TEN commandments object to all of the points listed above. And sometimes they will even go on to complain that so many of the points above are in agreement with my position and opposed to the war-against-the-Ten-Commandments position.

Thanks for asking that we be presented with it ... again.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[VictorC]

Notice that Jesus Christ stated the Sabbath was made for "man"? He didn't say it was made for Jews.

This is an allusion to Mark 2:27.
You can't appeal to Mark 2:27 immediately after rejecting Mark 2:27 when it was cited and explained to you when it disproves another fallacy you mentioned in this thread.

Actually many Sabbath keepers believe God's faithful remnant have been keeping the Sabbath since he instituted it at creation.

You've already decided the Sabbath was made for God in your mind.

 

[listed]

I think you will agree with me that such a statement could not be used by someone who claims to get all their doctrine from the actual Bible - unless that statement above were a quote from the actual Bible.

in Christ,

Bob

No agreement from me with you on that point. You depend on sources outside of the Scripture to defend your unscriptural POV.

 

[listed]

I provide that in my 7 point list.






Thanks for asking that we be presented with it ... again.

in Christ,

Bob

Did someone see proof of anything? I sure did not.

 

[Steeno7]

Jesus is the only sabbath that we are to keep today. It is no longer about a day and never has been. The scriptures say that The Son of Man is also Lord of the sabbath. If you look at Lev. 25 I believe you will see that there were many days That God called a day of rest and there were many sabbath feasts in which they ran consecutively from the Saturday sabbath until the following Sunday, all in which there was to be no work. Then look at when God brought Isreal out of Egypt. When the cloud rested, they were to rest. When the cloud moved they were to move. These were sabbath rests that pointed to christ. We are to rest in him and rest from our religious works that God did not call us to. Our obedience is to that rest, not about days and laws. But we have to do something is the cry but the reality is when you Rest in him your are doing something. Your being obedient to God's will.

hismessenger

You got it.

Indeed, Jesus is the "better rest of God" for Christians, the Sabbath rest as well as the promised place of rest. As the book of Hebrews clearly reveals.

 

[Steeno7]

I think you will agree with me that such a statement could not be used by someone who claims to get all their doctrine from the actual Bible - unless that statement above were a quote from the actual Bible.

Ironic.

 

[bugkiller]

I provide that in my 7 point list.






Thanks for asking that we be presented with it ... again.

in Christ,

Bob

What did you prove with your c&p?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

No agreement from me with you on that point. You depend on sources outside of the Scripture to defend your unscriptural POV.

Bingo!

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Did someone see proof of anything? I sure did not.

Have you been holding your breath? I do see you're a shade of blue.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by Hismessenger

Jesus is the only sabbath that we are to keep today. It is no longer about a day and never has been.
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I think you will agree with me that such a statement could not be used by someone who claims to get all their doctrine from the actual Bible - unless that statement above were a quote from the actual Bible.

No agreement from me with you on that point.

Fine. I will put you down in the "No I do not agree" column for that point.

You have free will to do what you wish.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Please explain why these pro-sunday scholars don't push nor practice the 7th day Sabbath.

Quote proof they did.

bugkiller

I provide that in my 7 point list.

Ok that is all well and good - but the thread title says that these obvious pro-Ten Commandment facts in the Bible are also affirmed by pro-Sunday scholarship.

How can that possibly be?

First a summary of the pro-Sunday scholarship statements affirming the TEN Commandments.

Here is an example of claims made by the pro-Sunday sources - and 6 of the 7 are actually correct according to the Bible!.


Yes that is right - 6 of the 7 are actually common ground between Sabbath keeping and Sunday keeping Christians.


1. That the Sabbath Commandment is first given to mankind in Gen 2:1-3
2. That all mankind was obligated by the TEN commandments in the OT and to this very day.
3. That the seventh day as the Sabbath was Saturday the seventh day of the week from Gen 2:1-3 until NT times - including at the cross.
4. That the Ten Commandments are the moral Law of God
5. That the moral law of God is written on the heart under the New Covenant
6. that the Ten Commandments as the moral law of God are in no way opposed to grace and the Gospel.
7. That the Sabbath commandment can rightly be BENT by man-made-tradition to point to week-day-1 after the cross.

I agree with 6 out of 7 as listed above - and yet many who post against God's TEN commandments object to all of the points listed above. And sometimes they will even go on to complain that so many of the points above are in agreement with my position and opposed to the war-against-the-Ten-Commandments position.

Thanks for asking that we be presented with it ... again.

Thus PROVING that I never self-conflictedly claimed that what I call pro-sunday sources were not pro-sunday but were pro-saturday instead -

Which is the "spin" we find in the first post above. It was utterly disproven.

The point remains.

Did someone see proof of anything? I sure did not.

Again I would say that you have free will to turn from whatever evidence is posted.


As for BugKiller - he is fully aware of my constant insistence that these are "pro-sunday" sources being quoted. AND is aware of my 7 point list as shown above that points that out explicitly where I differ with them on "point 7" in that list, they bending the Sabbath commandment to point to week-day-1, and me insisting that it cannot be bent.

So the odd wording was probably just to get me to have yet another wonderful invitation to post that 7 point list - as reminder of my constant reference to them as "pro-sunday" scholarship affirming those 6 basic Bible facts about the Ten Commandments and even the Sabbath Commandment.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[bugkiller]

I provide that in my 7 point list.






Thanks for asking that we be presented with it ... again.



Thus PROVING that I never self-conflictedly claimed that what I call pro-sunday sources were not pro-sunday but were pro-saturday instead -

Which is the "spin" we find in the first post above. It was utterly disproven.

The point remains.



Again I would say that you have free will to turn from whatever evidence is posted.


As for BugKiller - he is fully aware of my constant insistence that these are "pro-sunday" sources being quoted. AND is aware of my 7 point list as shown above that points that out explicitly where I differ with them on "point 7" in that list, they bending the Sabbath commandment to point to week-day-1, and me insisting that it cannot be bent.

So the odd wording was probably just to get me to have yet another wonderful invitation to post that 7 point list - as reminder of my constant reference to them as "pro-sunday" scholarship affirming those 6 basic Bible facts about the Ten Commandments and even the Sabbath Commandment.

in Christ,

Bob

No I understand you're using them to support the 7th day Sabbath when they clearly don't. You use out of context material turning it into something never meant by the source. You apply your definition to their words and refuse to apply their meaning to their words.

bugkiller

 

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[GracetotheHumble]

I'm sorry if I offended anyone with anything I wrote. I mainly wanted to ask about the Sabbath here so let's please try and remain focused.

 

[GracetotheHumble]

This thread makes me want to vomit. I really hate to see what's going on here. I thought Christ's primary teaching was that we love one another.

 

[listed]

I provide that in my 7 point list.

Thanks for asking that we be presented with it ... again.


Thus PROVING that I never self-conflictedly claimed that what I call pro-sunday sources were not pro-sunday but were pro-saturday instead -

Which is the "spin" we find in the first post above. It was utterly disproven.

The point remains.



Again I would say that you have free will to turn from whatever evidence is posted.


As for BugKiller - he is fully aware of my constant insistence that these are "pro-sunday" sources being quoted. AND is aware of my 7 point list as shown above that points that out explicitly where I differ with them on "point 7" in that list, they bending the Sabbath commandment to point to week-day-1, and me insisting that it cannot be bent.

So the odd wording was probably just to get me to have yet another wonderful invitation to post that 7 point list - as reminder of my constant reference to them as "pro-sunday" scholarship affirming those 6 basic Bible facts about the Ten Commandments and even the Sabbath Commandment.

in Christ,

Bob

The reality is that they do not support your ideologies in any shape, form or fashion. What is being preached launches from the same base, but is entirely different. You are trying to say they mean the same thing as you when they use the word Sabbath. Sophistry stinks. They clearly do not agree with you on any statement you have made or quoted for your intended purpose.

 

[listed]

This thread makes me want to vomit. I really hate to see what's going on here. I thought Christ's primary teaching was that we love one another.

Yeah we have seen you before with numerous monikers having been banned. How long will it take this time?

 

[Soyeong]

Believe anything you wish. Its true the 10 Cs are the law. But to be a Christian you must believe and accept the NC which is based on better promises and not the law. Heb 8:6 The same chapter also says new and not according to.

bugkiller

The Old Covenant is not the same as the God's law, but rather it is a serious contract to obey it. God's laws are how His people are to act rightly regardless of any particular covenant to follow them.