stop sinning?

[nephilimiyr]

Neph,

I agree that they are the same thing...

So, are you saying that God didn't give us 'enough' power to not sin?

~peace~

No not at all! I'm saying that because of our situation of being in this sinful flesh we don't always use the power of God to help us. I'm saying that I don't believe anyone in this sinful flesh of ours will ever be totally free of sin until Jesus comes back and changes us.

 

[kel32]

Ok back to the OP.

I ask again, if there's anyone here that believes he is totally free of sin tell me. I have a few questions for you.

OK, i'll bite...

You ask if anyone 'believes he is totally free of sin'?

Yes...

"We know that our old self was crucified with him, so that our sinful body might be done away with, that we might no longer be in slavery to sin." Romans 6:6

 

[nephilimiyr]

OK, i'll bite...

You ask if anyone 'believes he is totally free of sin'?

Yes...

"We know that our old self was crucified with him, so that our sinful body might be done away with, that we might no longer be in slavery to sin." Romans 6:6

No, I asked if you believe you are free of sin, not "anyone".

Are you telling me you believe you don't ever sin?

Plus I'm not talking about slavery to sin. To me that is different then what I'm talking about.

Look, the question is whether we are able to completely stay away from sin through Jesus. 4 people voted that they believe we are able to completely stay away from sin. If they voted that way I see them saying they don't ever sin.

 

[kel32]

No, I asked if you believe you are free of sin, not "anyone".

Are you telling me you believe you don't ever sin?

Plus I'm not talking about slavery to sin. To me that is different then what I'm talking about.

Why is that different? If we are no longer 'slaves', why would we ever sin?

Let me ask you something...have you 'died with Christ'?

~peace~

 

[nephilimiyr]

Why is that different? If we are no longer 'slaves', why would we ever sin?

Let me ask you something...have you 'died with Christ'?

~peace~

To me the word "slavery" conotes that you are in a habit or even a addiction. Not all sins fall under that diffinition.

My old self died when I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior

 

[kel32]

To me the word "slavery" conotes that you are in a habit or even a addiction. Not all sins fall under that diffinition.

I would disagree with your definition of "slavery"...

Habit or addiction? No...completely subservient to a dominating influence? Yes.

 

[ydouxist]

ydouxist are you telling me that if we sin but didn't mean it God is going to be blind to that sin? I'm confused here, what am I going to find out in the OT? That God only saw the need to forgive the sins of the people only if they meant to commit those sins? That's news to me!

I admitt that I have sinned sometimes after having received Christ and didn't realize it at first but as soon as it was brought to my attention I did go to the Lord for forgivness.

Jesus and or the Holy Spirit does give us power to avoid sin but because of our sinful natures it's only ineventable that we do from time to time or whatever. Paul said in Romans that he is always at war with the flesh, these are battles that we can win with the help of the Holy Spirit but I don't believe we win them all.

God isn't blind to our unintentional sin.
That's what Jesus' blood made atonement for.
I agree we've all sinned after we were saved.
Both intentional and unintentional.

Intentional sin is a willful,premeditated conscious act.
I know it's wrong but I'm still going to do it attitude.

Unintentional sin is commited in ignorance or in a moments time.
One is rooted in weakness the other in rebellion.

Hebrews 10
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?


I studied unintentional/intentional sin when an unbeliever asked me if the blood of Jesus forgave intentional sin. I wanted to say yes but I couldn't.
It really transformed my walk.

 

[kel32]

My old self died when I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior

OK, now we're getting somewhere...

So, if you have 'died with him' do you believe that you now 'live with him'?

~peace~

 

[kel32]

Unintentional sin is commited in ignorance or in a moments time.
One is rooted in weakness the other in rebellion.

Ydouxist,

Can you give me an example of unintentional sin?

~peace~

 

[ydouxist]

Ydouxist,

Can you give me an example of unintentional sin?

~peace~

Lying.

 

[kel32]

No not at all! I'm saying that because of our situation of being in this sinful flesh we don't always use the power of God to help us. I'm saying that I don't believe anyone in this sinful flesh of ours will ever be totally free of sin until Jesus comes back and changes us.

Neph,

Could you please cite scripture that states that "anyone in this sinful flesh of ours will never be totally free of sin until Jesus comes back and changes us"

~peace~

 

[kel32]

Lying.

"Lying" is an 'unintentional' sin? I would classify that as intentional...

~peace~

 

[ydouxist]

I agree they can be both.

What I'm saying is you can lie in an instant about something so as to not hurt someones feelings.

 

[G4m]

After being on this forum for a few months, i've noticed that there seems to be differences of opinion on the topic of 'ceasing to sin'.

My question is simply: "Do you believe that through Christ one can completely stop sinning while here in the world"?

~peace~

Yes.

 

[Duggie]

As christians we must strive to live sin free lives, is this possible? I believe for some, especially mature believers, it is. The fact is we will continually face some form of temptation, great or small, for the rest of our lives. It is up to us to resist that temptation.


Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved he will recieve the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. (James 1:12)

No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape that you may be able to bear it. (1 Corinthians 10:13)


However I'm not convinced about unintentional sin. Its not the greatest comparison to make, but if a man commits a crime in the heat of passion, in other words it was not premeditated he wouldn't be able to stand in front of the judge and say "Oh it was an unintentional act of madness that I didn't have time to think about" and then expect to get away with it. I believe the same can be said about our sin. We can't stand before God and say "Oh I didn't intend to do it it just happened." We are responsible for every sin we commit.

 

[ydouxist]

I agree, we are accountable for every sin.
But there is a difference.
Why does it say deliberately keep on sinning in Hebrews?

A person can have a stronghold in their life that they can't seem to overcome no matter how many times they repent of it. For men it's usually lust. How does one overcome it? Confession. Tell on yourself. Make yourself accountable to someone you respect. If you can't master it it will master you.

 

[kel32]

Look, the question is whether we are able to completely stay away from sin through Jesus.

Hmmm...since I wrote the question, i'm certain that I know what it is.

4 people voted that they believe we are able to completely stay away from sin. If they voted that way I see them saying they don't ever sin.

Stating an opinion that you think it's possible to stop sinning is not necessarily stating that you personally don't ever sin.

My question wasn't "who doesn't sin anymore"? It was "do you believe that through Christ, someone can stop sinning"?

~peace~

 

[praying]

I think the only way to be completely sin free, and this seems so obvious is through divine intervention from Christ. Not the normal "I know He is in my life, I feel Him, He talks to me" but the type of intervention say Moses experienced when God gave him the commandments. I can only imagine that it would have to be a tangible experience like the prophets experienced. Something so profound that at first it would perhaps scare you because you just could not believe it. Once you realized it was God though, the joy you would feel at experiencing God on that level, I can't even imagine it. IMHO

 

[Yahweh Nissi]

I would say yes - if you had no choice but to sin then it would not be sin. However, in practise I still continue to sin often and will all my life.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Hmmm...since I wrote the question, i'm certain that I know what it is.

Why do you keep ignoring answering my question? Do you sin or are you perfect? It seems like a simple enough question to me, I don't see what's so hard about it. Yes or no, do you sin or don't you?

Stating an opinion that you think it's possible to stop sinning is not necessarily stating that you personally don't ever sin.

My question wasn't "who doesn't sin anymore"? It was "do you believe that through Christ, someone can stop sinning"?

~peace~

But if your opinion is that people can stop sinning then why don't you? You question me about whether I believe in the power of God, about whether I believe I died with Christ. How about you? Since you believe we all can stop sinning and never sin again in this life it stands to reason that if you yourself haven't achieved this you yourself don't believe in the power of God to do this for you otherwise you would have no problem answering my simple question and most importantly have no problem with never sinning again.

Now if you believe one can stop sinning ever again by only haveing Jesus live inside you then what's the problem? What's keeping you from achieveing this?

A comment has been made that "mature" christians can be able to achieve a sinless life. LOL, isn't this then like saying this is somethoing we do? This isn't Jesus working in our life but ourselves working at not sinning. The question...Can one, through Christ, stop sinning completely? If jesus has the power to do so then why does everybody sin?